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Legend of the Seeker: Look upon me book continuity, and despair.
Witch_Hunter_84
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Watching the series premier of the tv adaptation of Terry Goodkind's Wizard's First Rule right now. Of course we all knew that they would be changing a lot of the story to fit with television time constraints, but so far only the names of the characters remain canon.
I don't know how to feel about this.
http://www.legendoftheseeker.com/firstten.html
I don't know how to feel about this.
http://www.legendoftheseeker.com/firstten.html
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More of the same rantings in the spoiler...
If you're even a remote fan of the books, do yourself a favor and skip this atrocity.
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Amen.
I mean... it could have been the "Journey of the Finder," the story of a boy who is destined to use the Hammer of Justice to find things that people want to keep hidden!
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On the other hand, I do give them props for realizing you could never turn this into a movie adequately, and have opted for a more lengthly serialization instead. If it brings in new fans, it gets them excited about the story and will push them to buy the book to find out what happens before the show airs - a great way of leveraging a TV show into book sales - sort of the opposite of what they were able to do with the very-well-known LoTRO IP.
Exactly, it's not a complex or unique plot, but it is the plot of this story, and if you want to say it's the same story then you have to establish common elements. Some things can be changed to make things TV appropriate, but you don't just fiddle with things for no reason, espescially in these early sequences which actually all made sense even in the book. If the book says "A quad is composed of 4 of Darken Rahls assassins with swords" then you don't just decide "OK, we want 6, and lets give them bows"
I mean, even the title does nothing but to inspire disinterest.
Well, not entirely. People don't seem to appreciate that the printed media and the visual media are, in fact, very different. This was on of the failings of the Sin City movie. They probably followed the comic a little too closely. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it, but it felt very stilted, and some of the dialogue actually resulted in laughter from the audience I saw it with in the theater. Doing a direct translation usually results in failure. Now,changing minor details, as has been mentioned, is probably not a big deal deal to the story, but now would it have detracted from the story overall. But you need to remember that simply putting pages to the screen would have been really, really bad.
I'm also trying to remember the book. It's been at least eleven years since I read the first book if not more. I enjoyed the first book, but I just never got around to reading the rest of them.
I might give it a couple more weeks, because it is just a pilot, which are often times not very good episodes because all the time they have to devote to introducing the world and characters and stuff. Hopefully in the next few episodes they can improve the dialogue and start to get me interested in the plot. For now though, blah.
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I read the first 5 or 6 books, and there were some good moments in there but overall I'm felt kinda pathetic for continuing so far in the series. There are better books readily available for your reading pleasure. Do not do yourself a disservice, stop reading this series, stop watching it.
We have multiple book appreciation threads, go read something more worthy of your time!
Yeah, see, the writing in Sin City in comic form was laughably bad as well, because Miller is an incredibly terrible writer, and his dialogue is atrocious. The reason the comics and movie were entertaining and successful is because they were bad in a retro fashion and thus amusing and (partially or even mostly unintentionally) ironic, and more importantly, because there were tits, guns, horrible brutal violence, and reinforcement of various deeply rooted "traditional" values.
The Sword of Truth series is unilaterally terrible in every conceivable way. Any changes to the story only make me hopeful that they are an improvement, although I will surely not watch the show without substantial protest that it is in fact entirely more awesome than the shitty books. In fact, the show turning Sword of Truth into bland, tasteless TV fare is a drastic improvement over Terry Goodkind's revolting vomit-semen stew of rape fantasies, high fantasy clichés, self-worship, and Randian masturbation.
At least it's not Wheel of Time. /* Sniffs and crosses arms breasts. Tugs on braid. */
Wizard's First Rule was an excellent book, but the series went downhill for me from there. I was actually hoping I'd enjoy the television show more than the books, but so far it's not looking that way.
Also, all men are wool-headed stuborn lumoxes.
You do be exaggerating now. *Glares, puts fists on hips.*
Edit: Somehow, I had no idea that this was being made. I'll probably at least try and watch it.
really? o_O
dude these books were pretty much wholesale rape and tortute anyways
Not true. Goodkind has no say at all in the series. He didn't approve anything at all. So we get this crap. Not that Goodkind really cares probably, otherwise why sell it off with no say...but still.
The first 4/5 books are great. Quality varies from there, hitting a low point when he decided to try switching main characters for a book in Pillars of Creation. Goodkind's philosophy only gets annoying when the characters start talking about it in the second half of the series. Overall, it's a great story mixed with Ayn Rand speeches. His message is good, just we don't need to keep hearing it.
The TV series, unfortunately, does this by gutting EVERYTHING and turning the story into, well, someone else had this to say:
"This was NOT SoT, this was The Lord of the Matrix WARS featuring Jesus Christ Superstar. By the end of the first HOUR of the premiere, I fully expected Conan the Barbarian to show up and give Richard the Triforce. Seriously, I now feel obligated to go back in time and stop Grimm's Fairytales from being written so they won't wind up in this show."
He's right. They changed details for no reason at all just to do so. A lot of the time it just doesn't make sense (Richard is buddy buddy with the guy he thought was a crazy loon yesterday? And a million other examples.). They needed to leave a majority of the story alone (as was said, why the hell buy the rights if you're not going to?) and just remove the speeches. Presto, good TV. But no, it's going to go Xena on us.
Oh, and the show airs in syndication. It was picked up by over 95% of the markets. So it's possible a huge number of people viewed this crap.
Now sitting down and watching this show the other day, I just can't beleve all they changed. Like others said, I knew some things would be changed, because it wouldn't fit well on the screen.. but some of the things just didn't make sense.
the Quad...
Boundary up for hundreds of years (I guess this one can pass, people would be wondering what the boundary is, and where it came from, but it would be too big of a job explaining that Zedd put it up so early)
Richard.. being small. I guess it could be hard getting a 6'4 actor that would fit the roll well.
Zedd and Richard barely knowing each other.. Again, this was horrible. No reason for them not to have known each other for a long time.
Making a pass with catapults. I guess we will have to see how this plays out, but I thought Richard and Kahlan going through the pass with the night stone was the first major struggle Richard and Kahlan went through. But considering how easy it was for the Dharian soldiers to get through.. it won't be much
Counted shadows book... don't even know what to say about that one.
Shar....
Garrs that look like bat demons.
You know what, the only thing similar is the names, titles, and objects.
My wife and I always pronounced Khalan as Kah-Lahn. Kay-len? Really?
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Kay-Lyn (so almost exactly same as Kay-len) is the way I always pronounced it. However my friend pronounced it the way you did, so it was kinda confusing the first time we talked about the book.
The first time I read WFR I was about 13 or so and I pronounced Rahl as Rail.. But I quickly corrected myself on that.
Looking at the spelling, I can definitely see how you could pronounce it Kah-Lahn, not sure why I started it as Kay-lyn, (but again I was 13.. maybe that why) but it always stuck to me as that
Yes
So . . . all you could see in the book was the rape and torture? You didn't read the parts that dealt with the beauty of the human spirit, the struggle to do the right thing in the face of insermounting evil, friendship, brotherhood, anything? No?
The only positive contribution TG has ever made to literature are the westeros threads, which are still some of the funniest reading on the whole interwebs.
I tried watching this Legend thing last night. It was worse than the books. Too bad, is it seemed to have pretty decent production values.
Let's talk about the demonic chicken. Or the magic goats. Or the magic prostitute tram.
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Yeah, I thought it was pronounced the first way, too.
Goodkind's finds the beauty of the human spirit in violence and tyranny, his idea of insurmounting evil is anti-war protestors and democracy. The only good aspect of the series is that it wears fantasy's traditional fascistic impulses on it's sleeve, and in this respect the tv series is a missed opportunity. Update the world and most of the characters to something resembling realistic, but leave Richard just as Objectivist and overpowered, you'd have a wonderful satire.
You forgot the people armed only with their hatred of moral clarity.
I honestly cannot tell if this is satire or not!
TG is such a bad writer that I'm at a loss to find words to describe it. I mean the first book is about his evil step brother trying to ban fire and no one thinking that this is a bad idea, then about 200 pages of rape-torture, child molestation, and beating up kids and whatnot (often it is the protaganists doing this). This is the first book, the one people say is "the good one" before it got all preachy.
Got news for you, if that's the good one the bad ones are somewhere on the negative quality scale.
Anyway, I was honestly hoping that this series was going to be a sort of slapstick trash fantasy Hercules take on the books, which could have been actually enjoyable. Taking them at face value just kind of misses anything in the realm of entertainment.