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MotW 11/129/2008 - Nothing Important Happened Today

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  • KyleWPetersonKyleWPeterson Registered User
    edited November 2008
    I think that's actually mentioned in a specific issue of X-Factor, isn't it? That if he's holding a bomb and just duplicates himself over and over again that he could easily be an enormous threat.

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    He could be the world's only professional suicide bomber, at the very least.

  • Bloods EndBloods End Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    He could be the world's only professional suicide bomber, at the very least.

    Nitro.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    But Nitro's an amateur.

    I mean, he did get taken down by the New Warriors.

  • mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think that's actually mentioned in a specific issue of X-Factor, isn't it? That if he's holding a bomb and just duplicates himself over and over again that he could easily be an enormous threat.

    It's a plot point of the story: Hydra attempts to hold him hostage to force him to do just that. In response, he creates an endless amount of dupes, suffocating the crowd of hydra in the room.

    Awesome guy.

  • Bloods EndBloods End Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    But Nitro's an amateur.

    I mean, he did get taken down by the New Warriors.

    Human Bomb

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Bloods End wrote: »
    But Nitro's an amateur.

    I mean, he did get taken down by the New Warriors.

    Human Bomb

    More like "who-man?" "bombed" because no one knows about him and he sucks.

  • Bloods EndBloods End Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I'm pretty sure the Human Bomb is awesome, and you're terrible.

    Wait let me check.

    Yup, science backs me up here.

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  • DayspringDayspring the Phoenician Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think that's actually mentioned in a specific issue of X-Factor, isn't it? That if he's holding a bomb and just duplicates himself over and over again that he could easily be an enormous threat.

    It's a plot point of the story: Hydra attempts to hold him hostage to force him to do just that. In response, he creates an endless amount of dupes, suffocating the crowd of hydra in the room.

    Awesome guy.
    Because it's awesome and I happen to have some scanned images uploaded already from ages ago, the scene in question:
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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Multiple Man you need multiple therapists.

  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The dupes can make duplicates from themselves too, right? And he uses kinetic energy to make them. Then why are bullets effective? I remember a bunch of dupes being shot and dying, like the near-omniscient super detective version of Madrox. It shouldn't have happened.

  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Damn you, eidetic memory! Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Because duplication doesn't absorb kinetic energy. You hit him in the head with a baseball bat, you're going to make a duplicate, but you're also probably going to crack his skull.

    All things considered, bullets also don't have a whole lot of kinetic force behind them, although I have no idea where they fall on the scale of 'stamping a foot is enough.'

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  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    *Sigh* I suppose the energy required for duplication comes from the same source as the power needed to regenerate flesh, create optic beams, and throw metal around. Thermodynamics be damned.

  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User
    edited November 2008
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    *Sigh* I suppose the energy required for duplication comes from the same source as the power needed to regenerate flesh, create optic beams, and throw metal around. Thermodynamics be damned.

    Because comics are well known for their strict interpretation of the laws of thermodynamics

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  • mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    *Sigh* I suppose the energy required for duplication comes from the same source as the power needed to regenerate flesh, create optic beams, and throw metal around. Thermodynamics be damned.

    Well, that's part of the point of that sequence: the woman asks "how is that remotely possible?" We don't know.

    We do know, however, that he's not a mutant: he's an earlier evolution to powers (as is the other guy in X-Factor who can duplicate). Besides, as noted, there are dozens if not hundreds of mutants over the years who seemingly violate conservation of energy/mass.

  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    *we do know, however, that he's not a mutant: he's an earlier evolution to powers (as is the other guy in X-Factor who can duplicate).

    explain, please.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    *we do know, however, that he's not a mutant: he's an earlier evolution to powers (as is the other guy in X-Factor who can duplicate).

    explain, please.
    Before House of M, they were going through how Mutants don't really develop their powers until puberty, and those that show them from birth (Madrox, Nightcrawler, etc) aren't really mutants and basically all of that was dropped after House of M.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    *we do know, however, that he's not a mutant: he's an earlier evolution to powers (as is the other guy in X-Factor who can duplicate).

    explain, please.
    Before House of M, they were going through how Mutants don't really develop their powers until puberty, and those that show them from birth (Madrox, Nightcrawler, etc) aren't really mutants and basically all of that was dropped after House of M.

    Except X-Factor didnt launch until after House of M so you are dead wrong

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    *we do know, however, that he's not a mutant: he's an earlier evolution to powers (as is the other guy in X-Factor who can duplicate).

    explain, please.
    Before House of M, they were going through how Mutants don't really develop their powers until puberty, and those that show them from birth (Madrox, Nightcrawler, etc) aren't really mutants and basically all of that was dropped after House of M.

    Except X-Factor didnt launch until after House of M so you are dead wrong

    DEAD wrong. Like, you just died.

    But yeah, that was a bit after HoM. I'm pretty sure they idea is that they're still mutants - just a different kind.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Tryp is still around, that storyline will be revisited I'm sure.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Damn you, eidetic memory! Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    *we do know, however, that he's not a mutant: he's an earlier evolution to powers (as is the other guy in X-Factor who can duplicate).
    explain, please.
    One of the defining traits of mutants is that their powers manifest around puberty. So how do you explain Nightcrawler and Madrox, who exhibited powers from birth? They were explained as being changelings, an earlier, and now much rarer instance of mutant occurence, because ye olde days, when you popped into this world looking like a blue-skinned devil, you probably didn't live that long.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    when did this 'changeling' concept come about, under what writer, and how did it have significance to the characters affected?

  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Damn you, eidetic memory! Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    The significance is that it explains why mutants like Jamie and Kurt had powers since birth, rather than manifesting them later in life. Don't know about the rest.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    my bad, better phrased: why did they feel the need to explain why they had powers since birth when they chose to do so? Did it serve a purpose story-wise?

  • A duck!A duck! Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2008
    He could be the world's only professional suicide bomber, at the very least.

    Actually, there's a manga called Akumetsu that deals with this concept. It's not bad, but I don't like the dialog.

    Favorite quotes
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  • mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    my bad, better phrased: why did they feel the need to explain why they had powers since birth when they chose to do so? Did it serve a purpose story-wise?

    It started to, with Tryp, but hasn't gone anywhere yet. It appears that the whole Skrull Invasion demanded story-attention, and after that Endangered Species/Messiah storylines popped up.

    It's possible this will be one of those "Nightcrawler/Azazel" things, but we don't know.

    The general point of it though was to solve a pretty glaring continuity error: literally since the first X-Men comics, we were told the powers only emerged at puberty, and we were never given an explanation for mutants like Nightcrawler, Madrox or more importantly En Sabah Nur or Namor who had their mutations since birth. By suggesting that they're not x-gene mutants but rather a parallel branch of evolution, a potentially fascinating set of stories was opened. Apocalypse in particular should care a great deal about this, since whether a power emerges at birth or puberty would have serious implications for "survival of the fittest".

  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Has Kurt been able to teleport since birth? I thought he was just a regular mutant and his physical appearance has more to do with who his parents were (although I am all in favor of anything that renders the Draco storyline out of continuity)

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Has Kurt been able to teleport since birth? I thought he was just a regular mutant and his physical appearance has more to do with who his parents were (although I am all in favor of anything that renders the Draco storyline out of continuity)

    I'm not sure about his teleportation but he definitely had super human dexterity since birth.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    yeah but again that has more to do with his unique anatomy which could be explained by his non-human heritage.

    The teleportation thing was his actual mutant power I thought?

    It's hard to say though since Chuck Austen fucked him up so badly

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  • mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    yeah but again that has more to do with his unique anatomy which could be explained by his non-human heritage.

    The teleportation thing was his actual mutant power I thought?

    It's hard to say though since Chuck Austen fucked him up so badly

    Well, Azazel and his people - the angels and the demons - were just supposed to be mutants, too (as is Mystique, Nightcrawler's mother). Austen wasn't re-writing the mutant concept.

    However, the X-Factor arc depicting this new race (I forget if they have a name...pre-mutants?) would imply that Azazel and his people would be the same.

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think it's safe to say that in 10 years Kurt will have been a mutant who turned into a teleporting demon-looking thing at puberty.

    He will not be the son of fucking Mystique and El Diablo god that was dumb. I mean it's like someone took "his *bamf* things smell like sulfur" and just ran with it.

  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think Tryp referred to them as changelings

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think it's safe to say that in 10 years Kurt will have been a mutant who turned into a teleporting demon-looking thing at puberty.

    He will not be the son of fucking Mystique and El Diablo god that was dumb. I mean it's like someone took "his *bamf* things smell like sulfur" and just ran with it.

    Does nightcrawler still travel through mephisto's hell dimension while he's teleporting?

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think it's safe to say that in 10 years Kurt will have been a mutant who turned into a teleporting demon-looking thing at puberty.

    He will not be the son of fucking Mystique and El Diablo god that was dumb. I mean it's like someone took "his *bamf* things smell like sulfur" and just ran with it.

    Does nightcrawler still travel through mephisto's hell dimension while he's teleporting?

    Not if I have anything to say about it.

    What's the classic example? "The Flash got his powers from a genie"?

  • mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I think it's safe to say that in 10 years Kurt will have been a mutant who turned into a teleporting demon-looking thing at puberty.

    He will not be the son of fucking Mystique and El Diablo god that was dumb. I mean it's like someone took "his *bamf* things smell like sulfur" and just ran with it.

    Does nightcrawler still travel through mephisto's hell dimension while he's teleporting?

    I thought it was the Dark Dimension (which isn't Mephisto's hell), the same place Blink goes.

  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2008
    I think it's safe to say that in 10 years Kurt will have been a mutant who turned into a teleporting demon-looking thing at puberty.

    He will not be the son of fucking Mystique and El Diablo god that was dumb. I mean it's like someone took "his *bamf* things smell like sulfur" and just ran with it.

    Does nightcrawler still travel through mephisto's hell dimension while he's teleporting?

    Not if I have anything to say about it.

    What's the classic example? "The Flash got his powers from a genie"?

    Pants, fast, etc

  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User
    edited November 2008
    I think it's safe to say that in 10 years Kurt will have been a mutant who turned into a teleporting demon-looking thing at puberty.

    He will not be the son of fucking Mystique and El Diablo god that was dumb. I mean it's like someone took "his *bamf* things smell like sulfur" and just ran with it.

    Does nightcrawler still travel through mephisto's hell dimension while he's teleporting?

    I thought it was the Dark Dimension (which isn't Mephisto's hell), the same place Blink goes.

    I didn't think Blink went anywhere, there certainly isn't the lag that Nightcrawler has in his teleports.

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  • VirralVirral Registered User
    edited November 2008
    Vanisher uses the same dimension as Nightcrawler, I remember that much. I think quite a few teleporting types do.

    About the whole Changeling thing, I hope they get back into it after Secret Invasion. Same with why Madrox's dupes now act so unpredictably. It's been all setup and no payoff so far, presumably thanks to getting roped into tie ins.

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