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Rod Blagojevich: in ur senate, sellin ur seats

widowsonwidowson Registered User
edited February 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
Unless you've been living under a rock, it's big news that the governor of Illinois was trying to essentially auction off Obama's vacated senate seat.

Fortunatly, there's no debate that this guy is a corrupt, arrogant asshole who's resignation is being called for by both Democrats and Republicans. What is news is how over the top and bold he was about his corruption.

From around the web:

As Blagojevich put it himself, the Senate seat was “a f***ing valuable thing, you just don’t give it away for nothing.”

As late as November 11, Blagojevich felt that Obama’s people were “not willing to give me anything except appreciation. F*** them.”

For example, Blagojevich was angered by a Chicago Tribune editorial in late September that called for his impeachment. At the urging of his wife, Blagojevich instructed his chief of staff, John Harris (who was also indicted) to solve the problem by threatening the owner of the Tribune Company with the loss of a public financing option in connection with the sale of Wrigley Field (the Tribune owns and is trying to sell the Chicago Cubs). The Tribune Company’s owner, Blagojevich said, could make things right by firing the members of the editorial board who had criticized him.

Blagojevich is also accused in the indictment of threatening to rescind an $8 million state grant for Children’s Memorial Hospital in Chicago because one of the institution’s executives would not give a political contribution.


He tried to shake down...a...children's...hospital.. o_O

What I want to know, is how does someone get to this point? I.E. to be such an arrogant asshole who think's he's so "juiced-in" and untouchable that he can do whatever the fuck he wants, even things that are blantantly corrupt and so obvious that anyone with 2 brains cells would know that they'd get caught?

What, Obama's replacement wouldn't be news? This guy had to have known the feds were looking at him for years now, and he jumps off of the deep end and talks about this stuff over the phone? Even the lowest levels of the Mob arn't that stupid and arrogant.

Again, how did this guy get so stupid and arrogant?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm SO glad this shit continues to hang around because I LOVE hearing about Obama being a sleazebag who will be taken down by Blagovich or Rezko.

    LOVE IT.

    D:

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  • Ninja BotNinja Bot Registered User
    edited December 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    I'm SO glad this shit continues to hang around because I LOVE hearing about Obama being a sleazebag who will be taken down by Blagovich or Rezko.

    LOVE IT.

    D:

    Yes because Obama in definitely linked to this and he is definitely a sleazebag because he was a politician in the same state as Bagojevich. Never mind that Blago said fuck Obama's people and called Obama a motherfucker.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Chicago is not the most corrupt American city, it's the most theatrically corrupt.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Ninja Bot wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    I'm SO glad this shit continues to hang around because I LOVE hearing about Obama being a sleazebag who will be taken down by Blagovich or Rezko.

    LOVE IT.

    D:

    Yes because Obama in definitely linked to this and he is definitely a sleazebag because he was a politician in the same state as Bagojevich. Never mind that Blago said fuck Obama's people and called Obama a motherfucker.

    I wouldn't have voted for Obama if I thought he was corrupt. What I'm saying is that shit like this twisted the right way will hinder his ability to be effective in office.

    Also I was being sarcastic.

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  • Ninja BotNinja Bot Registered User
    edited December 2008
    But really everyone already knew this guy was a total asshole and a really shitty governor. Federal prosecutors were already building a case well before this popped up. This just takes it to a new level though. Even George Ryan wasn't this bad.

  • Ninja BotNinja Bot Registered User
    edited December 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Ninja Bot wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    I'm SO glad this shit continues to hang around because I LOVE hearing about Obama being a sleazebag who will be taken down by Blagovich or Rezko.

    LOVE IT.

    D:

    Yes because Obama in definitely linked to this and he is definitely a sleazebag because he was a politician in the same state as Bagojevich. Never mind that Blago said fuck Obama's people and called Obama a motherfucker.

    I wouldn't have voted for Obama if I thought he was corrupt. What I'm saying is that shit like this twisted the right way will hinder his ability to be effective in office.

    Also I was being sarcastic.

    Ah my bad

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Ninja Bot wrote: »
    But really everyone already knew this guy was a total asshole and a really shitty governor. Federal prosecutors were already building a case well before this popped up. This just takes it to a new level though. Even George Ryan wasn't this bad.

    And his malfeasance resulted in the death of a family.

    I still don't get how he won the second term. Topinka wasn't great, but she was a hell of a lot better.

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  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User
    edited December 2008
    The way he still doesn't seem to think he'll be convicted or brought down by this is what really gets me. I mean he goes to work today like nothing happened and doesn't seem to think anything he did was wrong.

    At least a guy like Spitzer who looked like a huge hypocrite acted contrite and apologized after he was caught.

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Ninja Bot wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Ninja Bot wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    I'm SO glad this shit continues to hang around because I LOVE hearing about Obama being a sleazebag who will be taken down by Blagovich or Rezko.

    LOVE IT.

    D:

    Yes because Obama in definitely linked to this and he is definitely a sleazebag because he was a politician in the same state as Bagojevich. Never mind that Blago said fuck Obama's people and called Obama a motherfucker.

    I wouldn't have voted for Obama if I thought he was corrupt. What I'm saying is that shit like this twisted the right way will hinder his ability to be effective in office.

    Also I was being sarcastic.

    Ah my bad

    The frowny face gives it away. :P

    I hope it's the beginning of something big. I hope that federal prosecutors go to fucking town on corrupt officials and put them in federal PMITA prison, not some white-collar country club under lockdown.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    They have. This isn't the first of a federal probe, just the latest. I think 11 people this year? There's been a couple hundred in total over the last decade or so. Politicians, staff, appointees, bureaucrats, contractors, fundraisers, &c.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    At this point, I think we need to start pre-indicting Illinois Governors on their way into office. 5 of the last 9 (if you include Blagodouche) have served time for corruption. It's crazy.

    This cycle made Alaska look like a political madhouse, apparently Illinois wanted back in the spotlight.

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  • EmanonEmanon __BANNED USERS
    edited December 2008
    This guy is total slime and something is very wrong in Illinois that they keep electing people like him. Moving on...

    He is also weasel and I'm sure he has a history of corruption that started years ago that implicates many. I bet he'll rat out others to save his skin, may hit some of Obama's supporters and campaign members but not Obama himself. This will roll up and down hill very quickly.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    It would be great if Jesse Jackson Jr. got taken down in all this.

    Boo dynasties.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    It would be great if Jesse Jackson Jr. got taken down in all this.

    Boo dynasties.

    Meh, he doesn't seem like that bad of a congressman on his own merits. Same with Biden's kid, given that he's Delaware's AG. If this were a Caroline Kennedy I'd definitely agree with you, though. Being a name shouldn't be a blessing, but neither should it be a curse.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm hearin conflicting reports that Jackson may not be implicated yet

  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Isn't this the second time Pat Fitzgerald had the governor of Illinois arrested?

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Isn't this the second time Pat Fitzgerald had the governor of Illinois arrested?

    Yes, but they were different governors.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Man you guys make Jersey look clean

  • SavantSavant Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm hearin conflicting reports that Jackson may not be implicated yet

    He's in CYA mode, so it's a bit of an open question how much he will be caught up in it, though chances aren't too bad that he will take at least a political hit for it.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm hearin conflicting reports that Jackson may not be implicated yet

    He isn't.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Man you guys make Jersey look clean

    That's just because Jersey doesn't have a flare for these things.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    It would be great if Jesse Jackson Jr. got taken down in all this.

    Boo dynasties.

    Meh, he doesn't seem like that bad of a congressman on his own merits. Same with Biden's kid, given that he's Delaware's AG. If this were a Caroline Kennedy I'd definitely agree with you, though. Being a name shouldn't be a blessing, but neither should it be a curse.

    Given the fact that it is a blessing, I prefer to curse it.

    Ross Douhat, commenting on Caroline Kennedy:
    This is, of course, a pretty good distillation of the case against dynastic politics: Namely, that it transforms the business of republican self-government into a soap opera, in which the public/audience thrills to the "intriguing subplots" involving a President's daughter, a President's wife, and a Governor's son who happens to be the President's daughter's sister's ex-husband ... and sighs, enraptured, at the "fairy tale ending" when the President's daughter grows up to have a Senate seat handed to her as a reward for having endorsed the President-elect. This sort of politics is entertaining to write about, which is one reason why fantasy sagas and Shakespeare are generally more interesting than Washington novels. But after twenty years with the same two families in the White House - which nearly became twenty-four (or twenty-eight) - for a political columnist to endorse a pointless escalation of dynastic politics because it fulfills the fairy-tale mythos her generation spun around a mediocre, tragically-murdered President and his good-looking family isn't "girly"; it's an embarrassment.

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  • widowsonwidowson Registered User
    edited December 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    I'm SO glad this shit continues to hang around because I LOVE hearing about Obama being a sleazebag who will be taken down by Blagovich or Rezko.

    LOVE IT.

    D:


    Um.....the indictment specifically says Obama didn't do anything wrong. In fact, my OP has this jackass complaining that they were “not willing to give me anything except appreciation. F*** them.”

    So how is this a slam of Obama? For me, it's a slam of this Blagovich asshole and his unique combination of arrogance and stupidity.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Isn't this the second time Pat Fitzgerald had the governor of Illinois arrested?

    Yes, but they were different governors.

    Most badass prosecutor ever.

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  • ThorionThorion __BANNED USERS
    edited December 2008
    What would you expect from an Illinois politician? Emancipation of slavery?

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  • SavantSavant Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    widowson wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    I'm SO glad this shit continues to hang around because I LOVE hearing about Obama being a sleazebag who will be taken down by Blagovich or Rezko.

    LOVE IT.

    D:


    Um.....the indictment specifically says Obama didn't do anything wrong. In fact, my OP has this jackass complaining that they were “not willing to give me anything except appreciation. F*** them.”

    So how is this a slam of Obama? For me, it's a slam of this Blagovich asshole and his unique combination of arrogance and stupidity.

    Have you been elsewhere on the internet? Even the seemingly low levels of critical thinking and reading comprehension required to realize this are absent in a nontrivial proportion of the population.

  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Isn't this the second time Pat Fitzgerald had the governor of Illinois arrested?

    Yes, but they were different governors.

    Most badass prosecutor ever.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Isn't this the second time Pat Fitzgerald had the governor of Illinois arrested?

    Yes, but they were different governors.

    Most badass prosecutor ever.
    Spoiler:

    It'll be interesting to see what Obama does with him. Part of me wants him to be the special prosecutor for whatever 'forgiveness committee' might be invented to look into the Bush administration, but a larger part of me wants him to stay where he is, giving Chicago and Springfield all kinds of hell.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User
    edited December 2008
    Every time I've seen this guy I've been laughing.
    Laughing so hard.
    And Moniker, he won a second term because of people like my mom, who wont vote for an Illinois Republican under any circumstances. Unless Ditka decides to run for governer this is the way things will be.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I love how now it's "coming out" that the guy was complete batshit. I've heard at least 5 snap diagnoses from cable talking heads in the last hour. Everything from bipolar disorder to schizophrenia.

    I can't tell if they're trying to sensationalize or making excuses for the guy.

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  • DrakeonDrakeon Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Every time I've seen this guy I've been laughing.
    Laughing so hard.
    And Moniker, he won a second term because of people like my mom, who wont vote for an Illinois Republican under any circumstances. Unless Ditka decides to run for governer this is the way things will be.

    What's wrong with the Illinois Democratic party that guys like this get through the primaries, if I may ask?

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Drakeon wrote: »
    Every time I've seen this guy I've been laughing.
    Laughing so hard.
    And Moniker, he won a second term because of people like my mom, who wont vote for an Illinois Republican under any circumstances. Unless Ditka decides to run for governer this is the way things will be.

    What's wrong with the Illinois Democratic party that guys like this get through the primaries, if I may ask?
    To be fair, their last governor was a Republican and he was corrupt as well.

    In fact, 5 of the last 9 Illinois Governors have done jail time after their terms for this kind of stuff. I don't think it's an inherent issue with either of the political parties, so much as a problem with the Illinois electorate in general.

    Edit: And one of the guys who stayed clean gave L Ron Hubbard his own state holiday.

    WTF Illinois? Where do you find these guys?

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  • wishdawishda Registered User
    edited December 2008
    OptimusZed wrote: »

    In fact, 5 of the last 9 Illinois Governors have done jail time after their terms for this kind of stuff. I don't think it's an inherent issue with either of the political parties, so much as a problem with the Illinois electorate in general.

    You can't really blame voters when you have machine politics. The machine is rotten and serves up two rotten candidates. Voters don't get much choice, whether everybody in Illinois or six people show up to vote.

    There was a New Yorker article awhile back that outlined how Obama had to court and make peace with the machine to get his seat. Part of me suspects that he's remained squeaky clean and championed transparent government out of sheer disgust of that experience.

  • AstraphobiaAstraphobia Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Drakeon wrote: »
    Every time I've seen this guy I've been laughing.
    Laughing so hard.
    And Moniker, he won a second term because of people like my mom, who wont vote for an Illinois Republican under any circumstances. Unless Ditka decides to run for governer this is the way things will be.

    What's wrong with the Illinois Democratic party that guys like this get through the primaries, if I may ask?
    To be fair, their last governor was a Republican and he was corrupt as well.

    In fact, 5 of the last 9 Illinois Governors have done jail time after their terms for this kind of stuff. I don't think it's an inherent issue with either of the political parties, so much as a problem with the Illinois electorate in general.

    Edit: And one of the guys who stayed clean gave L Ron Hubbard his own state holiday.

    WTF Illinois? Where do you find these guys?

    We import them from Alaska.

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    WTF Illinois? Where do you find these guys?

    It isn't just our governors, either. You can't get into Illinois politics if you aren't either batshit crazy or a scumbag. :(

    BTW, I got a message from Obs that equated installing OS X on a PC with car theft, murder and rape. Is he normally like that?
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    WTF Illinois? Where do you find these guys?

    It isn't just our governors, either. You can't get into Illinois politics if you aren't either batshit crazy or a scumbag. :(

    Hey, hey, hey. Alan Keyes is not one of our guys. The IL GOP brought him in because nobody else wanted to get a public whipping. And Jack Ryan? Come on, who wouldn't want to get kinky with

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    WTF Illinois? Where do you find these guys?

    It isn't just our governors, either. You can't get into Illinois politics if you aren't either batshit crazy or a scumbag. :(

    Hey, hey, hey. Alan Keyes is not one of our guys. The IL GOP brought him in because nobody else wanted to get a public whipping.

    So you're saying that the vocally psychotic Alan Keyes isn't a good example of how horrible Illinois politics are because he's just the willing carpet-bagger the Illinois GOP brought in after their first candidate turned out to be a sicko?

    Like... that's better? :(

    BTW, I got a message from Obs that equated installing OS X on a PC with car theft, murder and rape. Is he normally like that?
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    WTF Illinois? Where do you find these guys?

    It isn't just our governors, either. You can't get into Illinois politics if you aren't either batshit crazy or a scumbag. :(

    Hey, hey, hey. Alan Keyes is not one of our guys. The IL GOP brought him in because nobody else wanted to get a public whipping.

    So you're saying that the vocally psychotic Alan Keyes isn't a good example of how horrible Illinois politics are because he's just the willing carpet-bagger the Illinois GOP brought in after their first candidate turned out to be a sicko?

    Like... that's better? :(

    Yes.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User
    edited December 2008
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Drakeon wrote: »
    Every time I've seen this guy I've been laughing.
    Laughing so hard.
    And Moniker, he won a second term because of people like my mom, who wont vote for an Illinois Republican under any circumstances. Unless Ditka decides to run for governer this is the way things will be.

    What's wrong with the Illinois Democratic party that guys like this get through the primaries, if I may ask?
    To be fair, their last governor was a Republican and he was corrupt as well.

    In fact, 5 of the last 9 Illinois Governors have done jail time after their terms for this kind of stuff. I don't think it's an inherent issue with either of the political parties, so much as a problem with the Illinois electorate in general.

    Edit: And one of the guys who stayed clean gave L Ron Hubbard his own state holiday.

    WTF Illinois? Where do you find these guys?

    He may be clean for now, but he got that position working through the machine. Fitzgerald is most likely working on his case right now.

  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Isn't this the second time Pat Fitzgerald had the governor of Illinois arrested?

    Yes, but they were different governors.

    Most badass prosecutor ever.

    fitzgerald.jpg

    Man the last time I rooted for a prosecutor was Eliot Spitzer and look how THAT turned out. :(

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