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I'm starting to get really fucking angry (9/11 Truthers).

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  • BYToadyBYToady Registered User regular
    LightRider wrote: »
    Are you saying highly trained black ops types aren't capable of performing these kinds of tasks? This wouldn't have been a night before operation, but sustained over a period of time. Also, I don't think every floor would need to be rigged. And I don't believe the Pentagon was similarly rigged.

    There is no way Snakeeyes would do this sort of thing, he's a good ninja.

    Battletag BYToady#1454
  • satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    LightRider wrote: »
    LightRider wrote: »
    to go back to my previous question which was handily sidestepped, is there anything that can convince you, lightrider, that 9/11 was not a controlled demolition perpetrated by the united states government?

    i mean we've even got an engineer in the thread now. he can help you out with the sciencey bits.
    I did attempt to answer your previous question, go look for the response.

    But you have to keep in mind that government doesn't mean the entire government, but criminal elements within that are able to use their positions of influence to create the conditions neccessary for the attacks to occur successfully. They would have plausible deniability. Also, more than likely anyone who was neccessary to the plot might have been taken out of the picture just to help maintain secrecy.

    ok let's ponder how many bits of the government would be required for this

    obviously the president and the heads of the cia. i don't think it's unreasonable that the secretary of defense would also be let in on the plan, considering its purpose, theoretically, would be to authorize war. from here they need to hire people to actually perpetrate it. i guess since it's technically black ops they wouldn't want to go with teamsters. however, the world trade center buildings were pretty big. they would need a lot of people to plant the explosives (not sure if you know a whole lot about demolitions, but there would basically need to be some on every floor. the world trade center main buildings were 110 stories. these explosives would need to have been planted at least the night before. let's go with a minimum of 100 people for the two buildings, not counting building 7 and the pentagon).

    are you seeing how complex this gets really fast?
    Are you saying highly trained black ops types aren't capable of performing these kinds of tasks? This wouldn't have been a night before operation, but sustained over a period of time. Also, I don't think every floor would need to be rigged. And I don't believe the Pentagon was similarly rigged.

    oh, ok. how did they hide the explosives? what happened to the pentagon? how many explosives do you think were required? where were they placed? i mean, obviously most places in the actual offices would be right out, but simply placing them in the stairwells and such doesn't seem very effective either.

  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    BYToady wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I am honestly still waiting for him to answer my questions.

    Though I mean it's kinda of degrading for me to spend my time talking to him.

    It's trying to explain to a child that no, when you eat food it does not do down seperate tubes for processing when you swallow. They're just all, but that's what I think!

    satansfingers' sig is really appropriate to this thread.

    HAHAHA Yes.

    Actually I feel kinda more like Richard Dawkins just going up so some religous nutjob and going, sorry but you're wrong. Your entire system of how the universe works is just fundamentally flawed on the most basic level.

  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    with the advent of whale hunting coming back full force most airbourne whalers opt for anti-aircraft munitions as coast guard gunships can easily take the punishment or lack thereof from a harpoon

    It's an arms race!

  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    Blaket wrote: »
    BYToady wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I am honestly still waiting for him to answer my questions.

    Though I mean it's kinda of degrading for me to spend my time talking to him.

    It's trying to explain to a child that no, when you eat food it does not do down seperate tubes for processing when you swallow. They're just all, but that's what I think!

    satansfingers' sig is really appropriate to this thread.

    HAHAHA Yes.

    Actually I feel kinda more like Richard Dawkins just going up so some religous nutjob and going, sorry but you're wrong. Your entire system of how the universe works is just fundamentally flawed on the most basic level.

    2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!!!

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • LightRiderLightRider __BANNED USERS
    Here is some video of the WTC7 collapse. Can the resident engineers explain the crimp in the center of the building and the appearance of explosions or disturbances that run up along the sides of the buildings? What are those exactly?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

  • ObbiObbi Registered User, ClubPA regular
    LightRider wrote: »
    Obbi wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    What really confuses me is how the government and some shadowy cabal managed to fool the entire world, only to be foiled by some kids with the internet

    not to throw my hat into the argument, but there is a reason why countries would enjoy censorin' the internet!

    Also, quit tellin' Lightrider to ask firemen questions! They're firemen, they have enough problems as it is.

    Finally, I can't help but notice that the poor sap's havin' to argue with a lot of people at once! I'd join his side to help balance out, but I'm goin' to bed and I'm rather inept in ways of Architectural engineering(though the practice does include electrical engineerin', Blaket!)
    There are efforts to restrict the internet being pushed for, from what I've heard. But I don't know the full details or how they would work. One person mentioned internet channels you would get to subscribe to, like cable tv or satellite, but that sounds really strange.

    it's that runnin' gag of net neutrality always bein' at risk! The idea there was if major companies could kill off net neutrality, they could limit where people could go on the 'net, with more expensive internet plans allowing you to go to more places.

    I'm pretty sure that's gone to the way side, since Comcast recently is all about them monthly bandwidth cap packages.

    Though China has a very impressive system set in for Internet Censorship!

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • sarukunsarukun Carl Edgar Blake II Nerd-King of BaconRegistered User regular
    Oh my God, did you guys actually get a Truther?


    I gotta go to bed now, but I am pysched as hell to read the bullshit of the last 15 pages.

  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    this thread got me thinking of this thread in graphic violence

    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=77061&page=2

    i got nothing, man

  • ascotascot Registered User
    Oh man
    EXHIBIT A - YOUTUBE VIDEOS

    I'm pretty sure that like, 5 minutes after the buildings collapsed the original architects and engineers all gave themselves a (somewhat reserved) high-5 because the GIANT FUCKING BUILDINGS collapsed exactly how they were intended to should it ever happen. You know, the 100 story buildings in one of the most densely built areas.

    edit - what I mean is, if the engineers had done a sloppy job. And the building had just toppled over crushing every other building in a 10 block radius - you'd be able to accept that it wasn't a controlled demolition?

  • BYToadyBYToady Registered User regular
    I see windows breaking and a structure collapsing because debris took out it's support.

    Battletag BYToady#1454
  • BYToadyBYToady Registered User regular
    LightRider, could you point out exactly where the space lizard and illuminati space ships are in that video?

    Battletag BYToady#1454
  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    the best part about this thread is ya'll dudes is bouncing the ball back to him the entire time

    i cannot call him the wiggin of the situation at hand currently, as it stands to reason one of you if not all of you may be the wiggin in question

    the thread isn't over yet so i'll reserve judgement

  • satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    lightrider, how do you think those buildings should've collapsed?

  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is some video of the WTC7 collapse. Can the resident engineers explain the crimp in the center of the building and the appearance of explosions or disturbances that run up along the sides of the buildings? What are those exactly?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

    The first thing you mention is the central core collapsing at the base due to heat reducing the overall capacity of the structure. It sheared through the floors and caused the sides to go afterwards.

    The disturbances you saw can be caused by two reasons.

    1. Glass is highly brittle, at that stage the floors have moved maybe 15mm that's enough to blow windows out, it's happened in buildings that are still in service.

    2. You have a shitload of force coming down there. There was a lot of air in there. It's got to go somewhere. Glass is comparitively weak compared to the rest of the building and it blew the window out.

  • The windows shatter because of the pressure and warping as the building collapses in on itself, as all large buildings since the 20th century have been designed to do.

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  • BYToadyBYToady Registered User regular
    lightrider, how do you think those buildings should've collapsed?

    Michael Bay style fireball.

    Battletag BYToady#1454
  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    ascot wrote: »
    Oh man
    EXHIBIT A - YOUTUBE VIDEOS

    I'm pretty sure that like, 5 minutes after the buildings collapsed the original architects and engineers all gave themselves a (somewhat reserved) high-5 because the GIANT FUCKING BUILDINGS collapsed exactly how they were intended to should it ever happen. You know, the 100 story buildings in one of the most densely built areas.

    edit - what I mean is, if the engineers had done a sloppy job. And the building had just toppled over crushing every other building in a 10 block radius - you'd be able to accept that it wasn't a controlled demolition?

    Actually WTC1 and 2 were over designed. They were only ever expected and checked to have a light cesnaut (spelling?) plane fly into them. The things were over engineered in that respect.

    (and don't you dare start bitching about how it should have collapsed then if it was only designed for a light aircraft)

  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    Blaket wrote: »
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is some video of the WTC7 collapse. Can the resident engineers explain the crimp in the center of the building and the appearance of explosions or disturbances that run up along the sides of the buildings? What are those exactly?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

    The first thing you mention is the central core collapsing at the base due to heat reducing the overall capacity of the structure. It sheared through the floors and caused the sides to go afterwards.

    The disturbances you saw can be caused by two reasons.

    1. Glass is highly brittle, at that stage the floors have moved maybe 15mm that's enough to blow windows out, it's happened in buildings that are still in service.

    2. You have a shitload of force coming down there. There was a lot of air in there. It's got to go somewhere. Glass is comparitively weak compared to the rest of the building and it blew the window out.
    This is a completely logical and rational explanation.

    Thank you, Blake.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    BYToady wrote: »
    lightrider, how do you think those buildings should've collapsed?

    Michael Bay style fireball.

    I like this answer.

    In slow motion with a pan.

  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    Dublo7 wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is some video of the WTC7 collapse. Can the resident engineers explain the crimp in the center of the building and the appearance of explosions or disturbances that run up along the sides of the buildings? What are those exactly?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

    The first thing you mention is the central core collapsing at the base due to heat reducing the overall capacity of the structure. It sheared through the floors and caused the sides to go afterwards.

    The disturbances you saw can be caused by two reasons.

    1. Glass is highly brittle, at that stage the floors have moved maybe 15mm that's enough to blow windows out, it's happened in buildings that are still in service.

    2. You have a shitload of force coming down there. There was a lot of air in there. It's got to go somewhere. Glass is comparitively weak compared to the rest of the building and it blew the window out.
    This is a completely logical and rational explanation.

    Thank you, Blake.

    Also the building was fucking rigged to the brim with explosives.

  • LightRiderLightRider __BANNED USERS
    Here is something on the internet thing.

  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    Blaket wrote: »
    Dublo7 wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is some video of the WTC7 collapse. Can the resident engineers explain the crimp in the center of the building and the appearance of explosions or disturbances that run up along the sides of the buildings? What are those exactly?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

    The first thing you mention is the central core collapsing at the base due to heat reducing the overall capacity of the structure. It sheared through the floors and caused the sides to go afterwards.

    The disturbances you saw can be caused by two reasons.

    1. Glass is highly brittle, at that stage the floors have moved maybe 15mm that's enough to blow windows out, it's happened in buildings that are still in service.

    2. You have a shitload of force coming down there. There was a lot of air in there. It's got to go somewhere. Glass is comparitively weak compared to the rest of the building and it blew the window out.
    This is a completely logical and rational explanation.

    Thank you, Blake.

    Also the building was fucking rigged to the brim with explosives.

    Just to clarify I am LYING IN THIS POST.

  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS
    Blaket wrote: »
    cesnaut (spelling?) )

    Cessna, small one or two man personal aircraft.

    Not a 747, a fucking 400 tonns of aircraft going at about mach 1

  • BYToadyBYToady Registered User regular
    I just love how the fact that even more damage wasn't caused by the collapsing towers isn't cause for celebration of planning and engineering, but evidence of malicious planning.

    Battletag BYToady#1454
  • ascotascot Registered User
    I already said all of this. You guys are stupid.

  • satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is something on the internet thing.

    a vague plan by the felon prime minister of italy is your proof?

  • DE?ADDE?AD Registered User regular
    The Illuminati faked the moon-landing so they could use funding to plan a manned mission to Venus, allowing them to collect the precious Venutian Prizm-stones and fashion them into the only bullets capable of killing Jrrrglk Fhnrggg Klll, known to mankind as JFK, but not before he could lay plans for his resurrection - a temple in the form of two grand towers, a perfect pair of spiritually resonant antennae, capable of pulling his unearthly form fully back through the gate to the Etherrealm from whence he, Diii Vhnnncccik, Nss Trlldmsss, and all the other Sub-Atlanteans came.

    The CIA had to cause 9/11! They could not allow the Deep-Antediluvian forces to reclaim the American soil and risk bringing about the third coming of Thomas Jefferson/Ra!

  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is something on the internet thing.

    a vague plan by the felon prime minister of italy is your proof?

    Shit son.

    Remember the Italians were with the Nazis in world war 2.

    How do you need more proof?

  • satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    Blaket wrote: »
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is something on the internet thing.

    a vague plan by the felon prime minister of italy is your proof?

    Shit son.

    Remember the Italians were with the Nazis in world war 2.

    How do you need more proof?

    oh shit

    if only there were some form of mass communication to warn the world about this!

  • BYToadyBYToady Registered User regular
    Cause holy shit if those two towers had just toppled sideways like Godzilla vs King Kong it would've sucked even more.

    Battletag BYToady#1454
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    DE?AD wrote: »
    The Illuminati faked the moon-landing so they could use funding to plan a manned mission to Venus, allowing them to collect the precious Venutian Prizm-stones and fashion them into the only bullets capable of killing Jrrrglk Fhnrggg Klll, known to mankind as JFK, but not before he could lay plans for his resurrection - a temple in the form of two grand towers, a perfect pair of spiritually resonant antennae, capable of pulling his unearthly form fully back through the gate to the Etherrealm from whence he, Diii Vhnnncccik, Nss Trlldmsss, and all the other Sub-Atlanteans came.

    The CIA had to cause 9/11! They could not allow the Deep-Antediluvian forces to reclaim the American soil and risk bringing about the third coming of Thomas Jefferson/Ra!

    holy shit

    sir i would play this roleplaying game

  • ascotascot Registered User
    BYToady wrote: »
    Cause holy shit if those two towers had just toppled sideways like Godzilla vs King Kong it would've sucked even more.

    This is basically their argument.
    BOOOO NOT ENOUGH DESTRUCTION. WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK!

  • LightRiderLightRider __BANNED USERS
    Blaket wrote: »
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is some video of the WTC7 collapse. Can the resident engineers explain the crimp in the center of the building and the appearance of explosions or disturbances that run up along the sides of the buildings? What are those exactly?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

    The first thing you mention is the central core collapsing at the base due to heat reducing the overall capacity of the structure. It sheared through the floors and caused the sides to go afterwards.

    The disturbances you saw can be caused by two reasons.

    1. Glass is highly brittle, at that stage the floors have moved maybe 15mm that's enough to blow windows out, it's happened in buildings that are still in service.

    2. You have a shitload of force coming down there. There was a lot of air in there. It's got to go somewhere. Glass is comparitively weak compared to the rest of the building and it blew the window out.
    Thanks.

    So, is it normal for a building to have global structural failure like that because the central support being destroyed? If so, what kind of heat would cause that to happen?

    I would like to note that at least 4 or 5 different reasons have been given for the collapse of that particular building, and the 9-11 commision report does not address its collapse, nor its causes.

  • BYToadyBYToady Registered User regular
    Over the top conspiracy theories make the best roleplaying games.

    Unless the person running the game believes them. Then it just gets frightening.

    Battletag BYToady#1454
  • JunpeiJunpei Registered User regular
    LightRider wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is some video of the WTC7 collapse. Can the resident engineers explain the crimp in the center of the building and the appearance of explosions or disturbances that run up along the sides of the buildings? What are those exactly?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

    The first thing you mention is the central core collapsing at the base due to heat reducing the overall capacity of the structure. It sheared through the floors and caused the sides to go afterwards.

    The disturbances you saw can be caused by two reasons.

    1. Glass is highly brittle, at that stage the floors have moved maybe 15mm that's enough to blow windows out, it's happened in buildings that are still in service.

    2. You have a shitload of force coming down there. There was a lot of air in there. It's got to go somewhere. Glass is comparitively weak compared to the rest of the building and it blew the window out.
    Thanks.

    So, is it normal for a building to have global structural failure like that because the central support being destroyed? If so, what kind of heat would cause that to happen?

    I would like to note that at least 4 or 5 different reasons have been given for the collapse of that particular building, and the 9-11 commision report does not address its collapse, nor its causes.

    Do you prefer your buildings to fall outward by design or inward by design?

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  • JarofmoldymayoJarofmoldymayo __BANNED USERS
    BYToady wrote: »
    Over the top conspiracy theories make the best roleplaying games.

    Unless the person running the game believes them. Then it just gets frightening.

    Zombie apocalypses RPGs are the same way.

  • MorivethMoriveth Registered User regular
    BYToady wrote: »
    Over the top conspiracy theories make the best roleplaying games.

    Unless the person running the game believes them. Then it just gets frightening.

    "Just so you guys, know, this is just training. If you finish the scenario then we can go and uncover the conspiracy for real!"

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  • ascotascot Registered User
    LightRider wrote: »
    So, is it normal for a building to have global structural failure like that because the central support being destroyed? If so, what kind of heat would cause that to happen?

    I would like to note that at least 4 or 5 different reasons have been given for the collapse of that particular building, and the 9-11 commision report does not address its collapse, nor its causes.

    It's too bad that you're so tunnel-visioned about the towers thing. Because there are so many other things to be angry about.
    Like the fact the No-fly lists were never shared with the FCC and the airport security companies because they were too scared that people would find out who were on the lists. But of course, you don't believe there were ever any terrorists, so...

  • LightRiderLightRider __BANNED USERS
    LightRider wrote: »
    Here is something on the internet thing.

    a vague plan by the felon prime minister of italy is your proof?
    You're right, the G8 has no power and just because its leaders announce their desires, there will be nothing to come of it. Foolish me!

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