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The CIA is hardcore in more ways than one...

GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
edited December 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
So, in the fight to gain friends and loyalties in Afghanistan it was known when they first started the CIA etc were recorded carrying large bags of money to the local warlords to buy loyalty. In recent years they've had to change tactics to giving some more... unorthodox things.

Like.. 'Viagra lure' for Afghan warlords.
America's CIA has found a novel way to gain information from fickle Afghan warlords - supplying sex-enhancing drug Viagra, a US media report says.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    Much rather that than giving those douche nozzels more cash.

    CIA should learn a thing or two from their screw ups in the past.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    When they got weapons, we ended up facing the bullets.
    SO WE GIVE THEM VIAGRA?

  • KungFuKungFu Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I guess it is a step up from pushin rock.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    KungFu wrote: »
    I guess it is a step up from pushin rock.
    No, we're just changing types of rock.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    This is ridiculous. The CIA should be thoroughly investigated and then disbanded. All they do is break laws and meddle in the affairs of sovereign countries. When was the last time they did anything productive?

  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited December 2008
    Azio wrote: »
    This is ridiculous. The CIA should be thoroughly investigated and then disbanded. All they do is break laws and meddle in the affairs of sovereign countries. When was the last time they did anything productive?

    Treasonous bastards! How dare they go around giving aid, comfort, and erections to our enemy!?

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Azio wrote: »
    This is ridiculous. The CIA should be thoroughly investigated and then disbanded. All they do is break laws and meddle in the affairs of sovereign countries. When was the last time they did anything productive?

    I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

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  • deowolfdeowolf Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    They can't tell you that.

    edit: beat.

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  • BarkeepBarkeep Registered User
    edited December 2008
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    America's CIA has found a novel way to gain information from fickle Afghan warlords - supplying sex-enhancing drug Viagra, a US media report says.
    How crafty.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    zeeny wrote: »
    When they got weapons, we ended up facing the bullets.
    SO WE GIVE THEM VIAGRA?

    Ahahaha.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Can't be outraged by this considering what the CIA's done in the past. Hearts and minds my friends!

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited December 2008
    Malkor wrote: »
    Can't be outraged by this considering what the CIA's done in the past. Hearts and minds my friends!

    Viagra was originally conceived as a treatment for certain kinds of heart disease.

    Next up: trading for North Korea's nuclear stockpile with LSD.

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  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One Never let an alligator... Do your taxesRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    Can't be outraged by this considering what the CIA's done in the past. Hearts and minds my friends!

    Viagra was originally conceived as a treatment for certain kinds of heart disease.

    Next up: trading for North Korea's nuclear stockpile with LSD.

    I'm pretty sure Kim would give it up for Sports cars, custom hand guns, and the ability to direct all the american porn he wants.

  • AntimatterAntimatter if you want to talk to me look elsewhere.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    Can't be outraged by this considering what the CIA's done in the past. Hearts and minds my friends!

    Viagra was originally conceived as a treatment for certain kinds of heart disease.

    Next up: trading for North Korea's nuclear stockpile with LSD.

    I'm pretty sure Kim would give it up for Sports cars, custom sunglasses, and the ability to direct all the american porn he wants.

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    Can't be outraged by this considering what the CIA's done in the past. Hearts and minds my friends!

    Viagra was originally conceived as a treatment for certain kinds of heart disease.

    Next up: trading for North Korea's nuclear stockpile with LSD.

    I'm pretty sure Kim would give it up for Sports cars, custom hand guns, and the ability to direct all the american porn he wants.

    I don't know if those are still applicable to a man recovering from a stroke.

  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm 100% convinced that control of sexuality and the suppression of sexual urges are major aggravating factors behind unrest in the middle east. (Specifically among the grunts and lower classes, not among the leadership, but whatever.)

    I'm not entirely sure what the long-term implications of this strategy are going to be, but my gut says two things: 1, at least we're not giving them guns this time and 2, anything that opens up their sexual mores is ultimately going to make things better.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm 100% convinced that control of sexuality and the suppression of sexual urges are major aggravating factors behind unrest in the middle east. (Specifically among the grunts and lower classes, not among the leadership, but whatever.)

    I'm not entirely sure what the long-term implications of this strategy are going to be, but my gut says two things: 1, at least we're not giving them guns this time and 2, anything that opens up their sexual mores is ultimately going to make things better.

    Honestly? And I am being completely serious here.

    A sexual revolution will probably destabilize the region to an extent that no-one's prepared to deal with.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Malkor wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm 100% convinced that control of sexuality and the suppression of sexual urges are major aggravating factors behind unrest in the middle east. (Specifically among the grunts and lower classes, not among the leadership, but whatever.)

    I'm not entirely sure what the long-term implications of this strategy are going to be, but my gut says two things: 1, at least we're not giving them guns this time and 2, anything that opens up their sexual mores is ultimately going to make things better.

    Honestly? And I am being completely serious here.

    A sexual revolution will probably destabilize the region to an extent that no-one's prepared to deal with.

    True story here, I once knew a guy from Iran. Told me a story from a guy who he knew over in Iran, there was a Mullah (big powerful guy) who his friend went to his house as his job was satellite dish installing etc.

    Anyway, when he went to this mullahs home he noticed a number of things like a nice large swimming pool, lots of fancy stuff and his wife happened to be happily wearing a swimsuit etc.

    So much for the humble life of a mullah eh?

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  • gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    So, in the fight to gain friends and loyalties in Afghanistan it was known when they first started the CIA etc were recorded carrying large bags of money to the local warlords to buy loyalty. In recent years they've had to change tactics to giving some more... unorthodox things.

    Like.. 'Viagra lure' for Afghan warlords.
    America's CIA has found a novel way to gain information from fickle Afghan warlords - supplying sex-enhancing drug Viagra, a US media report says.

    This is fantastic news. It's ethically imperative for the US to ensure that the Afghani people have free and democratic erections.

  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm 100% convinced that control of sexuality and the suppression of sexual urges are major aggravating factors behind unrest in the middle east. (Specifically among the grunts and lower classes, not among the leadership, but whatever.)

    I'm not entirely sure what the long-term implications of this strategy are going to be, but my gut says two things: 1, at least we're not giving them guns this time and 2, anything that opens up their sexual mores is ultimately going to make things better.

    It's like, some hippies said, "Make love, not war."

    And 40 years later...

  • ThorionThorion __BANNED USERS
    edited December 2008
    Malkor wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm 100% convinced that control of sexuality and the suppression of sexual urges are major aggravating factors behind unrest in the middle east. (Specifically among the grunts and lower classes, not among the leadership, but whatever.)

    I'm not entirely sure what the long-term implications of this strategy are going to be, but my gut says two things: 1, at least we're not giving them guns this time and 2, anything that opens up their sexual mores is ultimately going to make things better.

    Honestly? And I am being completely serious here.

    A sexual revolution will probably destabilize the region to an extent that no-one's prepared to deal with.

    I'm still waiting for a sexual revolution in the good ol', "freest country of all", USA.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    GrimReaper: I keep saying this, but actual Iranian people, or at least a very large portion of them, have very secular social views. Outside they're all islamic and cover up, but go into a party and the roosaris and coats are off and they are wearing fucking armani backless dresses and sipping wine.

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  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Thorion wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm 100% convinced that control of sexuality and the suppression of sexual urges are major aggravating factors behind unrest in the middle east. (Specifically among the grunts and lower classes, not among the leadership, but whatever.)

    I'm not entirely sure what the long-term implications of this strategy are going to be, but my gut says two things: 1, at least we're not giving them guns this time and 2, anything that opens up their sexual mores is ultimately going to make things better.

    Honestly? And I am being completely serious here.

    A sexual revolution will probably destabilize the region to an extent that no-one's prepared to deal with.

    I'm still waiting for a sexual revolution in the good ol', "freest country of all", USA.

    Just 'cause there still exist some sexually repressed or close-minded people doesn't mean that things, sexually, aren't a hell of a lot freer than they were not that long ago.

  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    This actually sounds like a good plan. At least compared to the usual arms deals and what not.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited December 2008
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm not entirely sure what the long-term implications of this strategy are going to be, but my gut says two things: 1, at least we're not giving them guns this time and 2, anything that opens up their sexual mores is ultimately going to make things better.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the more backwards regions of the "sexually uptight" Middle East of the opinion that women must be chaste and demure and will be killed if they show off too much ankle and such, while the men are free to bang whatever the hell they want with nigh-impunity, especially when you're talking about those in charge? See also: the Saddam boys.

    If the Viagra results in more sexual freedom, hey, awesome. But I'm envisioning brutal warlords who now get to rape their harems well into their 70s. Which, you know, isn't all that awesome.

    edit: I mean, better than guns, and better than cash that would go towards buying guns, but... I really don't see any upsides here other than the lack of downsides.

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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    GrimReaper: I keep saying this, but actual Iranian people, or at least a very large portion of them, have very secular social views. Outside they're all islamic and cover up, but go into a party and the roosaris and coats are off and they are wearing fucking armani backless dresses and sipping wine.

    This is plainly evident to anyone who does even cursory research on Iran, sadly most of the American public is under the impression that Iran is... well I asked my brother what he thought Iran was like (since he believes we should BOMB THEM OMG NUKES OMG I LOVE YOU OREILLY) and he described camel jockeys in a desert living in huts, because that's what he saw in Afghanistan. I think most people think the entire middle east is the same, because there's only like 2 middle eastern locales ever portrayed in film - mud hutts and barren desert.

    This is funny given the "Scare" is that Iran is doing nuclear research which isn't something a third world country or agrarian society is even capable of

    Like there was this video about Tehran I showed a guy I know and he kept insisting it was shot in Italy or something because "Iran doesn't have cities like the US does"


    Iran has an internet filter that is fought tooth and nail by its younger people. It is quite possibly the most progressive middle eastern country (excluding Israel), and my personal theory is because the US hasn't been able to meddle with them for 3 decades the way we have with Saudi Arabia and Iraq. I have this crazy notion that if we'd left Iran and Iraq completely alone for the last century they'd both be progressive democracies or representative republics

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  • DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Well also I heard on CNN that the US will be selling them guns like they did the Sunnis in Iraq.

    Love and war bitches. Thinking outside the box here.

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    override I like you :^:

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  • TL DRTL DR Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Thorion wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm 100% convinced that control of sexuality and the suppression of sexual urges are major aggravating factors behind unrest in the middle east. (Specifically among the grunts and lower classes, not among the leadership, but whatever.)

    I'm not entirely sure what the long-term implications of this strategy are going to be, but my gut says two things: 1, at least we're not giving them guns this time and 2, anything that opens up their sexual mores is ultimately going to make things better.

    Honestly? And I am being completely serious here.

    A sexual revolution will probably destabilize the region to an extent that no-one's prepared to deal with.

    I'm still waiting for a sexual revolution in the good ol', "freest country of all", USA.

    Possibly NSFW

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  • redxredx East Bumblefuck, PARegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm not entirely sure what the long-term implications of this strategy are going to be, but my gut says two things: 1, at least we're not giving them guns this time and 2, anything that opens up their sexual mores is ultimately going to make things better.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the more backwards regions of the "sexually uptight" Middle East of the opinion that women must be chaste and demure and will be killed if they show off too much ankle and such, while the men are free to bang whatever the hell they want with nigh-impunity, especially when you're talking about those in charge? See also: the Saddam boys.

    If the Viagra results in more sexual freedom, hey, awesome. But I'm envisioning brutal warlords who now get to rape their harems well into their 70s. Which, you know, isn't all that awesome.

    edit: I mean, better than guns, and better than cash that would go towards buying guns, but... I really don't see any upsides here other than the lack of downsides.

    Not only can they rape them until they are older, they can also do so more frequently and as a result will likely desire to have larger harems. And of course the women in the harems are almost the lucky ones because they are looked after somewhat and aren't going to end up honor killed for failing to protect their chastity. They will probably be handing it out like candy to their underlings, who can't necessarily support a harem of their own.

    Some percentage of them are going to stroke out or have their hearts implode. Because they will be abusing the viagra rather than using it a doctor's supervision, the numbers will be somewhat higher than they are in the states. That's good, I guess.



    I can't be the only one who found it ironic that Tim Leary had to put NSFW tags on that when using it as evidence of a sexual revolution.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray the swamp, always the swampRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Koran says you can't have more than 4 women in your harem. I don't have a Koran lying around to look it up, but that was the best answer on Yahoo and I have heard that number before. It must also be noted that harem size does not depend on how many times you can fuck on an evening but on how many women you can support with your income*.

    I guess Viagra is less dangerous for our boys abroad than guns and money, but it's no where near perfect from a feminist point of view. If the CIA's goal wasn't to get intel, but to instigate a sexual revolution in the periphery of a developing country they wouldn't be handing out Viagra, but they would be handing out anti-conception pills to women. I don't need to remind you all that the post-war sexual revolution in the Western World** did not happen because of performance enhancing drugs, but because of anti-conception drugs. Making it possible for women to have a lot more control over when to get pregnant.

    *See also: Gaulin, S.J. & Boster, J.S. (1990), Dowry as female competition. American Anthropologist. 92: 994-1005
    **Or at least the urban progressive parts of that. You're not going to tell me that state that lists people as sexual offenders for giving a blowjob has had a sexual revolution.

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  • EchoEcho staring is caring Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited December 2008
    Like there was this video about Tehran I showed a guy I know and he kept insisting it was shot in Italy or something because "Iran doesn't have cities like the US does"

    I once talked to an American exchange student that was utterly amazed that we had nuclear power in Sweden. How had we managed to get the US to allow that?

  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    Like there was this video about Tehran I showed a guy I know and he kept insisting it was shot in Italy or something because "Iran doesn't have cities like the US does"

    I once talked to an American exchange student that was utterly amazed that we had nuclear power in Sweden. How had we managed to get the US to allow that?

    Listen. We're all not like that OK?

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  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    Like there was this video about Tehran I showed a guy I know and he kept insisting it was shot in Italy or something because "Iran doesn't have cities like the US does"

    I once talked to an American exchange student that was utterly amazed that we had nuclear power in Sweden. How had we managed to get the US to allow that?

    Meh, it could have been that Sweden is considered a peaceful country, and some people don't normally associate nuclear power(which for alot of people means missiles) with peaceful countries.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Ouch, I think this could be a very bad idea, especialy for afghan boys. Thats right I said afghan boys, seems afghanistan has a long history of pederasty, that is to say fucking young boys up the ass and calling it a manhood trial.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray the swamp, always the swampRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Ouch, I think this could be a very bad idea, especialy for afghan boys. Thats right I said afghan boys, seems afghanistan has a long history of pederasty, that is to say fucking young boys up the ass and calling it a manhood trial.
    You're basing this on the Kite Runner, aren't you? :P

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Aldo wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Ouch, I think this could be a very bad idea, especialy for afghan boys. Thats right I said afghan boys, seems afghanistan has a long history of pederasty, that is to say fucking young boys up the ass and calling it a manhood trial.
    You're basing this on the Kite Runner, aren't you? :P

    Actualy no, never read the book, the stories of afghan tastes(indeed arab tastes) go back centuries. Seems its easier to be gay in the muslim world than it is to be straight. Everyone watches you if you are with a girl, to protect her "purity". Two guys can spend all the time they want without anyone comenting.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    This is funny given the "Scare" is that Iran is doing nuclear research which isn't something a third world country or agrarian society is even capable of
    I had that discussion with my brother back when it was Iraq that was building the bomb. The line is, "Building nukes is something the US could do 60 years ago, so by today's standards it is something trivially easy that even a retard could do. Why are you saying that Ira_ is a country full of retards, you racist bastard? When will you shed your narrow-minded stereotypes?"

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Aldo wrote: »
    Koran says you can't have more than 4 women in your harem. I don't have a Koran lying around to look it up, but that was the best answer on Yahoo and I have heard that number before. It must also be noted that harem size does not depend on how many times you can fuck on an evening but on how many women you can support with your income*.

    I guess Viagra is less dangerous for our boys abroad than guns and money, but it's no where near perfect from a feminist point of view. If the CIA's goal wasn't to get intel, but to instigate a sexual revolution in the periphery of a developing country they wouldn't be handing out Viagra, but they would be handing out anti-conception pills to women. I don't need to remind you all that the post-war sexual revolution in the Western World** did not happen because of performance enhancing drugs, but because of anti-conception drugs. Making it possible for women to have a lot more control over when to get pregnant.

    *See also: Gaulin, S.J. & Boster, J.S. (1990), Dowry as female competition. American Anthropologist. 92: 994-1005
    **Or at least the urban progressive parts of that. You're not going to tell me that state that lists people as sexual offenders for giving a blowjob has had a sexual revolution.

    You can't have more than 4 wives. Harems are a different story and rather outdated and as far as I know not mentioned in the Quran because only wealthy fucks had them.

    Plus, you hand out anti-conception pills to a woman and she's found out, you can bet your ass the family is kicking her out. Even in America I have to sneak around to get birth control pills without my family knowing because suspicion of illicit activity is enough to condemn you even without evidence.

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  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    GrimReaper: I keep saying this, but actual Iranian people, or at least a very large portion of them, have very secular social views. Outside they're all islamic and cover up, but go into a party and the roosaris and coats are off and they are wearing fucking armani backless dresses and sipping wine.

    This is plainly evident to anyone who does even cursory research on Iran, sadly most of the American public is under the impression that Iran is... well I asked my brother what he thought Iran was like (since he believes we should BOMB THEM OMG NUKES OMG I LOVE YOU OREILLY) and he described camel jockeys in a desert living in huts, because that's what he saw in Afghanistan. I think most people think the entire middle east is the same, because there's only like 2 middle eastern locales ever portrayed in film - mud hutts and barren desert.

    This is funny given the "Scare" is that Iran is doing nuclear research which isn't something a third world country or agrarian society is even capable of

    Like there was this video about Tehran I showed a guy I know and he kept insisting it was shot in Italy or something because "Iran doesn't have cities like the US does"


    Iran has an internet filter that is fought tooth and nail by its younger people. It is quite possibly the most progressive middle eastern country (excluding Israel), and my personal theory is because the US hasn't been able to meddle with them for 3 decades the way we have with Saudi Arabia and Iraq. I have this crazy notion that if we'd left Iran and Iraq completely alone for the last century they'd both be progressive democracies or representative republics

    Let's put it this way, if it hadn't been for the CIA and MI6, Iran would most likely have been a functioning democracy since 1953.

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