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Mass Effect - Wherein we argue about plot points, spoiler tags, and galactic peace.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    takyris wrote: »
    Elitistb wrote: »
    There is a moderate amount of religion. The floating gas bags revere the precursors as Gods despite knowing the truth. The Geth worship the reapers.

    I'm differentiating IP-specific made-up religion from, you know, Christianity or Islam or Scientology. You put "big stupid jellyfish worship the Protheans" in a game, people snicker a bit and wonder if we were making a distant homage to those guys who lived in the gas giant in Star Control 2 who were studying the Precursors by sending out those probes that reproduced all over the place. You put "this one follower mentions her belief in Obviously Christian (even though I don't believe she specifically says that it's Christian, because if you think that people are stressing about Ash's three lines of religion now, just imagine if Jesus got referenced) God", and it's a slightly touchier subject.

    I still think that the best religious reference in any video game ever was the Zoq-Fot-Pik:
    Spoiler:

    You should appropriate them for ME2. I'm sure there's nobody left to sue BioWare over it.

    Be excellent to each other you stupid cunts.
  • LanrutconLanrutcon Registered User regular
    Nuzak wrote: »
    about the extent of ashley's "religious BS" is one conversation where she says she believes in god.

    and she says she's not a zealot if you ask further

    Though if you agree with her on the religious thing she's all like "I know, right? I mean look at all these amazing things in space, how can there not be a God, duh?"

    Which was kind of annoying.

    But yeah, her being religious is a nice touch on the universe and continuity.
    Elitistb wrote: »
    There is a moderate amount of religion. The floating gas bags revere the precursors as Gods despite knowing the truth. The Geth worship the reapers.

    The floating gas bags were so goddamn polite and adorable that even my horribly rude Shepard couldn't be mean towards them. :(

    The Geth worshipping Sovereign and Sovereign loathing them was also a pretty cool touch.

    Sovereign was pretty awesome all around. I loved his voice.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvrIFIjTGt0

    What I want to know though - who the hell built the Reapers?

    The C'tan. Duh.

    (See: Warhammer 40k - Necrons: Ancient Emo Robots bent on destroying life)

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  • SJSJ Registered User regular
    So the game runs like a dream on my computer, but its graphical settings leave something to be desired. My comp is way better than a 360, and I have to say the game actually looks worse with max settings than its Xbox counterpart. The problem is, I can't seem to force the improvements I want through my graphics card controls. (Downloaded the game via Steam.)

    I have Directx10, 1G of video memory, and 6G of SDRAM so I think I'm in pretty good shape. And all my drivers are up to date. It by no means looks terrible. I have a feeling all it needs is some 4x or 8x AA, rather than 2x. I'm just trying to see if I can squeeze a little extra pretty out of it.

    1) Go into your steam/steamapps/common/mass effect/binaries folder. Run the Mass Effect Config executable in there. There were some options that didn't work properly for me until I used that. Don't know why.
    2) Force max AA and AF on your graphics card. I did that with and it made all the difference.
    3) Someone said something about the textures not being high res; I had the same problem the first time I played it. I think you may have to adjust the settings in game, then restart for it to take effect. I think that's what got it to work for me.

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Elitistb wrote: »
    There is a moderate amount of religion. The floating gas bags revere the precursors as Gods despite knowing the truth. The Geth worship the reapers.

    The hanar? They revere the Protheans as the Enkindlers. They believe that the Protheans did something to assist their development as a species. Which, as far as we know, is the truth. It's similar to how the salarians helped in uplifting the krogans... And, if one is inclined to make the argument, is parallel to how as humans evolve they tend to replace their gods with other objects if interest or devotion.

    The geth worship the Reapers insofar as they believe the Reapers to be the pinnacle of machine lifeforms. I think it was only Saren who mentioned directly that they treat the Reapers as gods (but not their 'creators' as the hanar believe about the Protheans). There is an interesting interplay on Feros at the shrine and in light of Ashley's beliefs really stands out, but there, it's only suspected that the geth might have a religion of sorts. And they sure don't worship/revere their own creators...

    In the grand scheme of things, there is minimal religion in Mass Effect. Most of it comes directly from Ashley since it's likely that the hanar evangelist is dismissed by most players. Probably as 'silly'.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Actually it's dissimilar from what the Salarians did to the Krogan.

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    takyris wrote: »
    And this is why that ten-foot pole of a conversation section is as close as we got to any current world religion.

    I absolutely loved that Ashley was religious. Every single game set in sci-fi realms tends to shy completely away from it. (Except for jRPG's and their Space-Popes...) I've played through different responses just to see what happens, of course, but this non-religious player was thrilled when that bit happened. Part of why The Choice can be so difficult.

    Now, about them plots...

    Bah, in my opinion it made the choice much easier...
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  • AJAlkaline40AJAlkaline40 __BANNED USERS
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Actually it's dissimilar from what the Salarians did to the Krogan.

    I think he means intially, to fight the bug people.

    As we all know, the Salarians giveth, and the Salarians taketh away.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Ah, I had completely forgotten (had I known) that the Salarians had genetically modified them to fight the Rachnai.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Actually it's dissimilar from what the Salarians did to the Krogan.

    I think he means intially, to fight the bug people.

    As we all know, the Salarians giveth, and the Salarians taketh away.

    That's it. They did it quickly and without thinking ahead. Then their act of 'godhood' rather backfired. What ever the Protheans were supposed to have done was a slight thing and the hanar simply evolved from that.

    Speaking of Prothean intervention:
    Spoiler:

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    takyris wrote: »
    Elitistb wrote: »
    There is a moderate amount of religion. The floating gas bags revere the precursors as Gods despite knowing the truth. The Geth worship the reapers.

    I'm differentiating IP-specific made-up religion from, you know, Christianity or Islam or Scientology. You put "big stupid jellyfish worship the Protheans" in a game, people snicker a bit and wonder if we were making a distant homage to those guys who lived in the gas giant in Star Control 2 who were studying the Precursors by sending out those probes that reproduced all over the place. You put "this one follower mentions her belief in Obviously Christian (even though I don't believe she specifically says that it's Christian, because if you think that people are stressing about Ash's three lines of religion now, just imagine if Jesus got referenced) God", and it's a slightly touchier subject.

    I still think that the best religious reference in any video game ever was the Zoq-Fot-Pik:
    Spoiler:

    You should appropriate them for ME2. I'm sure there's nobody left to sue BioWare over it.

    I would be pleased as punch if a sideways reference to Frungy was put in somewhere.

  • AegeriAegeri Registered User regular
    We need more space religions and importantly, what Mass Effect 2 needs to be truly epic is a space pope and or popes. Then an arena for said popes to dual in, where the main character can participate and become space pope.

    Colonel Shepard: Specter and Space Pope.

  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Up all night To get luckyRegistered User regular
    The "low res Garrus face" thing is a bug. Just look at Wrex's face, for instance. But yeah, thanks to the xbox 360, we PC users get a few crappy textures even at maximum settings.

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  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    What I want to know though - who the hell built the Reapers?

    Ah, that is what is so brilliant about it. We just assume organic life would be the original species, the twist in Mass Effect is
    Spoiler:

    Personally I am hoping the universe will eventually tie into transformer continuity, bring in the all spark.

    Also Sovereign's theme is badass, I am listening to the soundtrack right now. His theme in particular reminds me of the Toto soundtrack to David Lynch's Dune.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    Sovereign is Shepards father. I've seen the script for ME2 I know these things.

    Also Wrex and Tali fuck like a dozen times.

    scarab you have mental problems
  • ElitistbElitistb Registered User regular
    There aren't many other candidates to reasonably base life on in the table of elements. Silicon is of course one possibility, but an actual silicon "metabolism" is estimated to be prohibitively energy expensive for simplistic life to sustain, which would mean while it might be possible, silicon life would probably be more likely a construct of something else. Most other elements are simply too reactive with themselves and other elements to use as a basis for life.

    This is neglecting the possiblity that the reapers actually ARE organic or partially organic in nature, and are simply differentiating themselves from other organic sentients purely due to differing modes of thinking. They could in fact simply be cyborgs of an ancient alien race, something similar to the Bentusi from the Homeworld series. The Bentusi, despite being of organic origin, consider the ship to be a part of themselves, and thus don't think of themselves as being similar to humans.

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  • UltaruneUltarune Registered User regular
    Sorry if this is common, but 99 pages is alot to read through and search brought up nothing for general protection fault. I just purchased this on steam, and on my laptop with vista and a Nvidia 8200M card it immediately shuts down and says "Mass effect has stopped working", and on my desktop with xp and a Nvidia 9500GT card I get a splash screen and the error "General protection fault! History: GMatrix2D blah blah blah". I went to the bioware forums and there was a bunch of people screaming about this since June begging for a patch and some recommended video drivers. I tried about a dozen drivers with no change or success. Is there some solution, or do I just wait it out for a patch/my next video card purchase? I know alot of people complain about getting pc games to run, but this is the first time I've ever had any difficulty, save for maybe when windows sp1 or 2, can't remember, broke Freedom Force, and made me sad :(. Thanks for any help.

  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    What I want to know though - who the hell built the Reapers?

    Ah, that is what is so brilliant about it. We just assume organic life would be the original species, the twist in Mass Effect is
    Spoiler:

    Personally I am hoping the universe will eventually tie into transformer continuity, bring in the Matrix.

    Fix'd for G1.

    Also you go on another sidequest that you think is to a generic barren world, but end up landing on Unicron and accidentally re-activating him.

    Off topic, but there's another Transformers film in the works for this summer isn't there?

  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    subedii wrote: »
    Off topic, but there's another Transformers film in the works for this summer isn't there?

    I believe you are correct, sadly.
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    Elitistb wrote: »
    There aren't many other candidates to reasonably base life on in the table of elements. Silicon is of course one possibility, but an actual silicon "metabolism" is estimated to be prohibitively energy expensive for simplistic life to sustain, which would mean while it might be possible, silicon life would probably be more likely a construct of something else. Most other elements are simply too reactive with themselves and other elements to use as a basis for life.

    This is neglecting the possiblity that the reapers actually ARE organic or partially organic in nature, and are simply differentiating themselves from other organic sentients purely due to differing modes of thinking. They could in fact simply be cyborgs of an ancient alien race, something similar to the Bentusi from the Homeworld series. The Bentusi, despite being of organic origin, consider the ship to be a part of themselves, and thus don't think of themselves as being similar to humans.

    "We're supposed to talk to meat?"
    "That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there? Anyone home?' That sort of thing."
    "They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"
    "Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."
    "I thought you just told me they used radio."
    "They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."
    "Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

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    EDIT: Anyone else find the use of the word "Omigod" in a SciFi story written in the 1940s to be a bit ... odd?
    EDIT2: Nevermind, written in 1991. I thought it was older.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    subedii wrote: »
    Off topic, but there's another Transformers film in the works for this summer isn't there?

    I believe you are correct, sadly.
    Spoiler:

    I'll admit, there was way too much silliness and teen soap opera for my liking, but the film did deliver on the GIANT TRANSFORMING ROBOTS (that needs to be in caps) with the huge guns and full blown battles taking place in the streets, so I can forgive that. Plus there were like a half-dozen references back to the old series and movie thrown in, which a geek like me just eats up. :P

    I can still hardly believe that they even brought Peter Cullen back to play Optimus Prime. That was such a freaking 80's throwback.

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  • HonkHonk Registered User regular
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Sovereign is Shepards father. I've seen the script for ME2 I know these things.

    Also Wrex and Tali fuck like a dozen times.

    Pfff... Like Tali would ever come out of that biohazard suit of hers.
    Spoiler:

  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    Honk wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Sovereign is Shepards father. I've seen the script for ME2 I know these things.

    Also Wrex and Tali fuck like a dozen times.

    Pfff... Like Tali would ever come out of that biohazard suit of hers.
    Spoiler:

    :winky:

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII Registered User regular
    So the game runs like a dream on my computer, but its graphical settings leave something to be desired. My comp is way better than a 360, and I have to say the game actually looks worse with max settings than its Xbox counterpart. The problem is, I can't seem to force the improvements I want through my graphics card controls. (Downloaded the game via Steam.)

    I have Directx10, 1G of video memory, and 6G of SDRAM so I think I'm in pretty good shape. And all my drivers are up to date. It by no means looks terrible. I have a feeling all it needs is some 4x or 8x AA, rather than 2x. I'm just trying to see if I can squeeze a little extra pretty out of it.

    This might sound stupid... turn off the film grain? or the motion blur? Either both off or some combination of one or the other made my game look much better graphically. Not as stylized but "technically" better.

    There's my dumb two cents on that...

    Still dealing with the crashing problem though and after extensive L4D playing so far it's been only with ME that i'm having the Stop errors, specifically the retail version. No idea what's up with this

    Nah, it's not dumb. I actually tried that, but it doesn't make a difference.

    It's definitely something with low res textures. Up close, objects and faces look great. From further away, you start to notice that "stair step" graphics. It's definitely an AA issue, I'm just not sure how to force higher res from my end.

    Edit: Oh and as much as Sovereign is a badass,
    Spoiler:

  • Steel-LionSteel-Lion Registered User
    So I got this game recently, played through it, first time I met Udina I thought to myself despite being a paragon. "Can I shoot this jerk's face with the shotgun now"

    If that was an option and even if it did damn me to hell...I'd take that.

  • HonkHonk Registered User regular
    Honk wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Sovereign is Shepards father. I've seen the script for ME2 I know these things.

    Also Wrex and Tali fuck like a dozen times.

    Pfff... Like Tali would ever come out of that biohazard suit of hers.
    Spoiler:

    :winky:

    8-)

  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    My Mass Effect theory.

    The Reapers have reached the pinnacle of their "machine" evolution. However, one thing they're missing is the ability to manipulate the fabric of the Universe directly. In their near infinite wisdom, they've discovered the possibility of a genetic mutation occurring in organic life that will lead to the eventual manifestation of such power (what we humans call "Biotics").

    Hence, they've redesigned elements in the galaxy to act as a sort of controlled experiment, where in they will allow sentient organic life to develop and evolve to a certain point at which it's probable that this mutation will occur. If the mutation doesn't occur within the allotted time frame, they "reset" the experiment by annihilating all high-level organic life forms, and start again.

    However, this time around, the mutation has occurred, and the Reapers were preparing to harvest the organic life forms, in preparation for assimilating this ability, thus allowing them to become true masters of the universe.

  • TK-42-1TK-42-1 Registered User regular
    but it really allowed the organics to fight and best them in the end?

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe Registered User regular
    That's the thing about random mutation. It's a teensy bit unpredictable.

    Basically my guess is that, hey, the galaxy has been around for billions of fucking years. Somebody got cocky and developed an AI that was smarter than they were. The AI starts improving itself, a Terminator situation rolls around, and the squishy meat-people lose this time. The AI leaves the planet in search of more unique ideas to add to itself, building more and more copies, each one better than the last. Basically they become "infinite" in the sense that they've taken everything that's ever been in the galaxy and they're going to take everything else that ever shows up. If everything that ever was is a part of you, you've sort of gotten rid of your original manufacturer.

  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    That's the thing about random mutation. It's a teensy bit unpredictable.

    Basically my guess is that, hey, the galaxy has been around for billions of fucking years. Somebody got cocky and developed an AI that was smarter than they were. The AI starts improving itself, a Terminator situation rolls around, and the squishy meat-people lose this time. The AI leaves the planet in search of more unique ideas to add to itself, building more and more copies, each one better than the last. Basically they become "infinite" in the sense that they've taken everything that's ever been in the galaxy and they're going to take everything else that ever shows up. If everything that ever was is a part of you, you've sort of gotten rid of your original manufacturer.

    Which makes sense, as iirc, Sovereign refers to himself as being "infinite" in one of the encounters you have with him. That would be the typical mythos for sentient machine based life.

    However, the one downside to the perfect, calculated evolution of a machine is you lose the randomness of mutating genetics, which is why the Reapers still allow sentient life to develop and evolve. Hell, the Reapers might not even understand what's happening with Biotics right now, and figured this was just another boring cycle of biological development...but either way, you can imagine once the Reapers do discover such as thing, they're sure as hell going to want it.

  • templewulftemplewulf Registered User regular
    ironzerg wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    That's the thing about random mutation. It's a teensy bit unpredictable.

    Basically my guess is that, hey, the galaxy has been around for billions of fucking years. Somebody got cocky and developed an AI that was smarter than they were. The AI starts improving itself, a Terminator situation rolls around, and the squishy meat-people lose this time. The AI leaves the planet in search of more unique ideas to add to itself, building more and more copies, each one better than the last. Basically they become "infinite" in the sense that they've taken everything that's ever been in the galaxy and they're going to take everything else that ever shows up. If everything that ever was is a part of you, you've sort of gotten rid of your original manufacturer.

    Which makes sense, as iirc, Sovereign refers to himself as being "infinite" in one of the encounters you have with him. That would be the typical mythos for sentient machine based life.

    However, the one downside to the perfect, calculated evolution of a machine is you lose the randomness of mutating genetics, which is why the Reapers still allow sentient life to develop and evolve. Hell, the Reapers might not even understand what's happening with Biotics right now, and figured this was just another boring cycle of biological development...but either way, you can imagine once the Reapers do discover such as thing, they're sure as hell going to want it.

    But isn't biotics just a small-scale application of the titular Mass Effect? You know, the one which allows the mass relays to shoot your ship to other sectors at incredible speeds? If that's the case, then the Reapers invented the Mass Effect technology and allowed us to find it.

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  • TK-42-1TK-42-1 Registered User regular
    but its done by machines and doesnt seem to be a conscious use kind of thing. we have machines that can smash atoms together and create fusion, but can some dude walking down the street do it?

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    That's an interesting take on the situation. I'd just assumed that they continued to allow organic life to exist because 1) it's basically impossible to prevent it from eventually evolving again and 2) there was always the possibility that one cycle or another would result in the production of technology that could benefit the reapers in some way.
    Spoiler:

    I like the Biotics thing too, though. And the two don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive.

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  • ForarForar Registered User regular
    Ultarune wrote: »
    Sorry if this is common, but 99 pages is alot to read through and search brought up nothing for general protection fault. I just purchased this on steam, and on my laptop with vista and a Nvidia 8200M card it immediately shuts down and says "Mass effect has stopped working", and on my desktop with xp and a Nvidia 9500GT card I get a splash screen and the error "General protection fault! History: GMatrix2D blah blah blah". I went to the bioware forums and there was a bunch of people screaming about this since June begging for a patch and some recommended video drivers. I tried about a dozen drivers with no change or success. Is there some solution, or do I just wait it out for a patch/my next video card purchase? I know alot of people complain about getting pc games to run, but this is the first time I've ever had any difficulty, save for maybe when windows sp1 or 2, can't remember, broke Freedom Force, and made me sad :(. Thanks for any help.

    I was having trouble playing for more than 5 minutes with my 8800 GTS, and found the same complaints in Steam and Bioware forums that you did. After fighting with the game for a few hours on and off (bought it during the Steam deal along with a bunch of other things), I finally tried swapping drivers, like several threads suggested. I removed my 180.48 drivers (most recent on the Nvidia site at the time, though I've heard there are 180.84 drivers available now as well) and installed 175.19 (from around July last year, I believe), and lo, I managed to finish the game with only 1 bug and one outright crash. YMMV, but I am now a believer in the glory of the 175.19 drivers. At least for Mass Effect. Which is awesome.

    Speaking of which, I finally beat the game last night, and enjoyed the hell out of it.

    My main quibble was with the elevators. Oh god, so many elevators, and they just took sooooo loooooong to get anywhere.

    As I've heard elsewhere, the game sure talks a lot, which at times felt sort of like I was tediously going through the motions, but I felt the same way near the end of KotoR too, so I knew what I was getting into, and perhaps I just tried to push through too much too quickly.

    My first playthrough was as a Soldier, which in hindsight may have been a poor choice. Having some guaranteed combat power on hand is always nice, but with squad auto-levelling on (a mistake, I'm sure) I often found my crew a bit behind on being able to hack or bypass certain objectives. While this could've been combated with a little personal direction in their skill levelling, it still left me desiring to always have a tech member with high electronics/other skills on hand, and to balance that I tried to grab a high biotic member, which left me almost always running the same pair of associates.

    Now I'm looking at doing a New Game+ run for more achievements, as well as doing all the content I skipped (while very little seems to actually be timed, I'm a sucker for a good flow to the "oh god, we have to go now, go go go" main storyline, and found myself buried in the "final dungeon" as it were without the ability to go back and finish up a giant pile of side quests and content.

    So I guess I'm pondering whether I want to do a New Game+ with my soldier, perhaps doing more of the Renegade chains/actions (as with KotoR I'm a sucker for the 'Good Guys', so I maxed out Paragon and only accidentally snagged a bar or so of Renegade), or abandon that character altogether and start anew with a Tech or Tech Hybrid class, so I can a little more freely adjust my party on a whim without feeling required to have a certain character or characters along to snag odds and ends throughout the levels.

    With the idea that Mass Effect 2 will take actions and previous characters into account, it's something I'm giving thought to, but given that ME2 might take years to come out (and/or get onto Steam), I suppose I've got time to kill.

    Hopefully the first downloadable content will hit Steam eventually as well.

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  • ironzergironzerg Registered User regular
    templewulf wrote: »
    But isn't biotics just a small-scale application of the titular Mass Effect? You know, the one which allows the mass relays to shoot your ship to other sectors at incredible speeds? If that's the case, then the Reapers invented the Mass Effect technology and allowed us to find it.

    Except the Reapers need large scale machinery to achieve the Mass Effect. Organics have developed the ability to manipulate such forces with their minds.

    Imagine being able to do everything the Mass Relays do, without the Mass Relays. Like being able to bend or break the laws of the Universe with your mind.

    Or maybe I'm nuts, and just trying to bend Mass Effects towards a ripoff of the Hyperion series...

  • takyristakyris Registered User
    Okay, I love that somebody made this. And that they're trying to sell it to cosplayers, completely missing any other potential purchase market.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    I always assumed that the reapers, despite being incredibly smart and technologically advanced, weren't very creative. As machines they lacked a certain something that allowed them to push their technology in exciting new ways, so I think the R+D concentration camp is the best explanation.

    I also thought that there might be something about them not being able to reproduce and make new copies of themselves.

    Beyond that I also think they actually hate biological life, it is inimical to them, and they genuinely want to make sure to swat it down before it runs rampant. I don't think the biotics really surprised them though, I mean, Saren had biotics and they saw you using them and didn't suddenly go "Woah! Thats sweet, take that dude alive!"

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    takyris wrote: »
    Okay, I love that somebody made this. And that they're trying to sell it to cosplayers, completely missing any other potential purchase market.

    If you read on down you can't wear it as a mask/helmet, so it's just a vaguely shoddy bust of him rather than a cool costume piece.

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