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Media Bias

EmanonEmanon __BANNED USERS
edited January 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
**Before you respond in the thread please watch the video**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-95wkCMeUkk&eurl=http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jziegler/2009/01/07/my-interview-with-sarah-palin/

We all know there is media bias, we're human so things like that can be hard to hide. There are few in the media who I can call unbiased. However last election if you're part of a major network it should be paramount that bias be kept at a minimum otherwise you're willingly affecting an election and should just announce your endorsement of a candidate instead.

Last election I saw Sarah Palin come into the spotlight and the MSM responded with sexism and ferocious attacks on her family, especially her children, from the MSM that I never saw happen to Obama except for a few attacking his wife's patriotism. Where was the fairness last election especially regarding a candidate's children who were not adults yet? Even Obama said children & family were off limits. I guess the MSM thought it only applied to him.

Secondly, bloggers. Does Sarah Palin have a point a blogger be faceless before a MSM network reports on that story?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1002474/daily_kos_not_to_blame_sarah_palin.html?page=3&cat=9

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Everyone knows the media has a bias, but that doesn't make it true. "The (qualifier) media" is always how they put it, in effect making it a no real scottsman statement. "The media that is biased needs to be less biased, therefore the media is biased" is bad logic.


    The media as a whole is generally of a neutral-stupid alignment.

    Palin's specifics in the video are . . . terribly uninformed. Since she was there, I can only consider that misinformation deliberate.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to reality, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck he wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2009
    Everyone knows the media has a bias, but that doesn't make it true. "The (qualifier) media" is always how they put it, in effect making it a no real scottsman statement. "The media that is biased needs to be less biased, therefore the media is biased" is bad logic.


    The media as a whole is generally of a neutral-stupid alignment.

    Palin's specifics in the video are . . . terribly uninformed. Since she was there, I can only consider that misinformation deliberate.

    Like they'd trust her with any sort of information.

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  • ZoolanderZoolander Registered User
    edited January 2009
    This is rich, coming from the dumb dipshit who spent an election calling Obama a terrorist and socialist. I wish a moose would up and shoot her or something.

    Where's Putin's head when you need it?

  • Element BrianElement Brian Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Wait wait wait, does he actually want us to watch a video of Palin..because I was pretty sure I would never have to suffer listening to her again...

    I like the idea of the carbonation in your pop being too much for your mormon body

    too worldly nooooo
  • VariableVariable Weed and Masturbation Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I refuse to because she makes me physically ill.

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  • ZoolanderZoolander Registered User
    edited January 2009
    It was quite painful to watch.

  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Starting Defense Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to his audience, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck his audience wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I saw her being interviewed on CBC a few days back. She was slightly less stupid, but still just... oh god no.

  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    I had to stop a few seconds in because I couldn't stand hearing that hypocritical fucking cunt talk about being smeared by the press after what she said.

    Emanon, you should feel bad about posting that video. Anybody that saw that aggressive, lying bitch speak should know that she has absolutely fucking no room to talk. It's because of her stupid shit that people were screaming about killing Obama at that McCain rally.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to his audience, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck his audience wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

    Well, he got his audience by pointing out the same reality a lot of us saw, and then went completely off the deep end sometime around when? Ohio/Texas? So now he's beholden to that group and hopefully he won't just suck up to Obama. Seems like he is though. Which isn't terribly helpful.

    Maddow is more interesting now that Obama is elected, whereas before her concern trolling was obnoxious now I think it's vital.

  • oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Variable wrote: »
    I refuse to because she makes me physically ill.

    No need to, as with most Palin interviews, it's non-sensical bullshit.

  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to his audience, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck his audience wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

    What came first, the audience or the views?

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    The media is biased towards that which produces ratings. During the election that just happened to be tenuous links between Obama and criminals/idiots, and Palin's disconnect from the modern world.

  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited January 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to his audience, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck his audience wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

    This is technically correct. Keith Olbermann is not a journalist. He is a Professional Loud Guy. Fox News drones are by-and-large horribly uninformed and often quite stupid, but getting your info from Countdown or TDS isn't a whole lot better.

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  • oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I saw her being interviewed on CBC a few days back. She was slightly less stupid, but still just... oh god no.

    As in the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation? If so, WTF CBC?!?!

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to his audience, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck his audience wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

    This is technically correct. Keith Olbermann is not a journalist. He is a Professional Loud Guy. Fox News drones are by-and-large horribly uninformed and often quite stupid, but getting your info from Countdown or TDS isn't a whole lot better.

    As opposed to getting your news from D&D like most of us do, which is totally non-biased. Though occasionally really pissed with our guy, so I guess there's some diversity of opinion.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    MKR wrote: »
    The media is biased towards that which produces ratings. During the election that just happened to be tenuous links between Obama and criminals/idiots, and Palin's disconnect from the modern world.

    She's part of the 'real' world. The one that is comprised of 46% of the country.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    oldmanken wrote: »
    I saw her being interviewed on CBC a few days back. She was slightly less stupid, but still just... oh god no.

    As in the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation? If so, WTF CBC?!?!

    It was on The Hour with George Stroumboulopoulus, perhaps the most Greek name I've ever seen that's not Achilles.

  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited January 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to his audience, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck his audience wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

    What came first, the audience or the views?

    It doesn't matter. He is an entertainer who interviews people with actual credentials, although usually only those who agree with him and his set demographic. His job is not to even attempt to present an unbiased view of events, it is to sell his particular narrative. Whether or not that narrative is an accurate reflection of reality is immaterial.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    MKR wrote: »
    The media is biased towards that which produces ratings. During the election that just happened to be tenuous links between Obama and criminals/idiots, and Palin's disconnect from the modern world.

    She's part of the 'real' world. The one that is comprised of 46% of the country.

    I like to think that a large chunk of that 46% just went to whoever shouted the loudest, and could be compelled toward sanity. It helps me sleep at night.

  • CygnusZCygnusZ Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I can't believe I watched that video. Palin initial media coverage was overwhemlingly positive, and although the facts were known about her family, I never felt like that was used to convince people she was unfit for office in the mainstream media. Palin took an extremely advantageous position and screwed it completely up. She did not give interviews after getting the nomination, and when she finally gave Katie Couric one she screwed it up. Katie Couric isn't tough either, Obama showed up on Bill-fucking-O'Reilly and managed to come out of it looking ok. Her performance at the VP debate wasn't a disaster, but every single person watching that debate realized that she wasn't in the same league as McCain, Obama and Biden. Considering how far Palin went with riling up crowds and making statements implying that Obama was "palling around with terrorists" I don't think she's in any position to talk about personal attacks.

    Look, the vice president is usually ignored during presidential elections. If you enter the ring as a vice-presdential candidate and end up with a disapproval rating of 58%, that means you screwed up pretty hard.

  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Whether or not that narrative is an accurate reflection of reality is immaterial.

    I think it's pretty important.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Whether or not that narrative is an accurate reflection of reality is immaterial.

    I think it's pretty important.

    Well, in reality it is, but in terms of Olbermann's goals (ratings), it's not.

  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited January 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to his audience, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck his audience wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

    This is technically correct. Keith Olbermann is not a journalist. He is a Professional Loud Guy. Fox News drones are by-and-large horribly uninformed and often quite stupid, but getting your info from Countdown or TDS isn't a whole lot better.

    As opposed to getting your news from D&D like most of us do, which is totally non-biased. Though occasionally really pissed with our guy, so I guess there's some diversity of opinion.

    Getting your news exclusively word-of-mouth from an internet forum like this is pretty fucking stupid, yes, and I thoroughly and openly mock anyone who treats it as some kind of oracle or arbiter of truth. Although most of our credible posters go to the trouble to provide links to, at the very least, blog posts which contain references to credentialed media or other verifiable information, which is more than tabloid programs usually do.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Ziegler giving a big sloppy muffjob to Sarah "How might one go about banning books" Palin is being held up as evidence of liberal media bias?

    Really? Really?

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to his audience, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck his audience wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

    This is technically correct. Keith Olbermann is not a journalist. He is a Professional Loud Guy. Fox News drones are by-and-large horribly uninformed and often quite stupid, but getting your info from Countdown or TDS isn't a whole lot better.

    As opposed to getting your news from D&D like most of us do, which is totally non-biased. Though occasionally really pissed with our guy, so I guess there's some diversity of opinion.

    ...who uses forum commentary as their primary source of news? And can I hit them?

    I mean, you guys tend to be great as a meta-crawler for my internets based news, but that's because you link to things/quote actual reporters. Otherwise its the Trib and News Hour. Besides, TDS isn't much fun unless you already know the details of the story he's ripping on.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Whether or not that narrative is an accurate reflection of reality is immaterial.

    I think it's pretty important.

    Well, in reality it is, but in terms of Olbermann's goals (ratings), it's not.

    Well, yes, but the OP is ostensibly lamenting a liberal bias, which sets off my stupid people alarms.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    (primarily, with making sure it's biased in the direction he wants it to be).

    Well, that's what it's always about, isn't it? Sean Hannity is biased as hell. But so is Keith Olbermann. It's just that Olby is beholden to his audience, whereas Hannity feels alright saying just whatever the fuck his audience wants. The dumbfucks shouting about a bias in the media just need to come to grips with reality and drop their persecution complexes.

    This is technically correct. Keith Olbermann is not a journalist. He is a Professional Loud Guy. Fox News drones are by-and-large horribly uninformed and often quite stupid, but getting your info from Countdown or TDS isn't a whole lot better.

    As opposed to getting your news from D&D like most of us do, which is totally non-biased. Though occasionally really pissed with our guy, so I guess there's some diversity of opinion.

    ...who uses forum commentary as their primary source of news? And can I hit them?

    I mean, you guys tend to be great as a meta-crawler for my internets based news, but that's because you link to things/quote actual reporters. Otherwise its the Trib and News Hour. Besides, TDS isn't much fun unless you already know the details of the story he's ripping on.

    Do you not remember half the denizens of the Obamarama threads saying we were where they get their news?

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    Whether or not that narrative is an accurate reflection of reality is immaterial.

    I think it's pretty important.

    Well, in reality it is, but in terms of Olbermann's goals (ratings), it's not.

    Well, yes, but the OP is ostensibly lamenting a liberal bias, which sets off my stupid people alarms.

    Yeah, the whole liberal bias thing is silly. They let a conservative President get away with war crimes and didn't give a shit. Hell, the Pentagon manipulated the hell out of the media to sway public opinion on Iraq. To the best of my knowledge none of the networks or cable outlets have commented on that story to this day except to stand by their Pentagon supplied military analysts.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    ...who uses forum commentary as their primary source of news? And can I hit them?

    I mean, you guys tend to be great as a meta-crawler for my internets based news, but that's because you link to things/quote actual reporters. Otherwise its the Trib and News Hour. Besides, TDS isn't much fun unless you already know the details of the story he's ripping on.

    Do you not remember half the denizens of the Obamarama threads saying we were where they get their news?

    I thought they were referring to us as a stepping stone to the actual news. For instance, I learned about the 'Frisco shooting here before anywhere else, because I don't read the paper or watch the news until after dinner. That doesn't mean the [chat] thread is my news source, the Chronicle story was my news source. The thread was my window into horriffic fuck uppitry.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2009
    moniker wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    ...who uses forum commentary as their primary source of news? And can I hit them?

    I mean, you guys tend to be great as a meta-crawler for my internets based news, but that's because you link to things/quote actual reporters. Otherwise its the Trib and News Hour. Besides, TDS isn't much fun unless you already know the details of the story he's ripping on.

    Do you not remember half the denizens of the Obamarama threads saying we were where they get their news?

    I thought they were referring to us as a stepping stone to the actual news. For instance, I learned about the 'Frisco shooting here before anywhere else, because I don't read the paper or watch the news until after dinner. That doesn't mean the [chat] thread is my news source, the Chronicle story was my news source. The thread was my window into horriffic fuck uppitry.

    Well, then we're talking using two different definitions. I meant what you meant really.

  • ZoolanderZoolander Registered User
    edited January 2009
    Oh god, that CBC interview was so fucking painful. I about killed myself when she started talking about doors again.

  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I get all my news from fortune cookies.

  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    I don't have a problem with her politics, I just hate her as a person.

    Well, I do have a problem with her politics. But that's a mole on an ass when it comes to her.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    MKR wrote: »
    I get all my news from fortune cookies.

    So everything newsworthy gets resolved between the sheets?

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    One of my favorite things about coming here is listening to the sounds of stupid people in large numbers. The vicious nature in which you attack those who speak contrary to you... it's almost like a hungry shark attacking a bleeding seal.

    I would prefer if news stations would be open about where their bias is. NBC, CNN, and its affiliates should broadcast themselves as liberal, and Fox News should broadcast as conservative. I don't watch PBS, but since it's government-run it needs to be true neutral, which I really don't think it is.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    If you can't spot an organization's leaning, you probably shouldn't be consuming news at all.

  • CheezyCheezy Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    One of my favorite things about coming here is watching people who are outside the realms of reality get reamed, no matter the political stripe.

  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    edited January 2009
    Terrendos wrote: »
    One of my favorite things about coming here is listening to the sounds of stupid people in large numbers. The vicious nature in which you attack those who speak contrary to you... it's almost like a hungry shark attacking a bleeding seal.

    I would prefer if news stations would be open about where their bias is. NBC, CNN, and its affiliates should broadcast themselves as liberal, and Fox News should broadcast as conservative. I don't watch PBS, but since it's government-run it needs to be true neutral, which I really don't think it is.

    what exactly do you mean by "true neutral"?

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