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also, as mentioned, we had no representation. and had signed on to no 'constitution' saying we would be part of the british empire and subject to its rule. Whereas the south was in a different situation.
summary: All your states are belong to US
Actually many authors of the constitution owned slaves and thought only white land owning males should vote. I am sure they would be quite upset with the state of our voting laws today.
Your statement is not mutually exclusive to Thanatos'.
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There is this cool thing called the marketplace of ideas which people in democracies are expected to compete in.
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I don't know why people who defend the Confederacy are seen as racist assholes at all!
Also being a failure tends to inform later perspective on a rebellion. Western Massachusetts is not a politically independent unit just because of Shays Rebellion, Pennsylvania doesn't have its own little free Whiskey principality in the middle of it and there isn't a sovereign Aryan Nation city-state at Ruby Ridge.
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Yeah, it pretty much did. Sure, there were other principles, but "we neeeeed to own black people" was the primary one.
I am not saying it is an excuse I am saying they don't view it as racist or inflammatory. Just because their view differs from yours is a free pass to call them ignorant.
While I do agree it is racist i am sort of playing devils advocate here.
Yes. It did.
You keep saying that and its still wrong. They were being represented, they just didn't like the outcome.
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And how does that make it okay again?
You keep saying this and have yet to demonstrate it.
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Keepin' the white southerner down.
Gawsh.
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It's so annoying when people do that because nobody can ever do it well. Here's how it works: they're ignorant to what the flag means. Period. It's a fact. It has nothing to do with opinions or beliefs. That flag stands for slavery and treason. If they fly it without realizing that it doesn't mean they're suddenly allowed to get away with it.
I see the error of my ways.
the south rules
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If you can't see the distinction between oppression and fulfilling your half of the social contract, then you probably have some high school classes you are overdue to retake.
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Oh you have got to be shitting me.
If only this were what was going on. You act as if southern Senators and Representatives were booted out of Congress just prior to secession. It wasn't about the people not having representation, it was about the southern states knowing that, despite their representation, they were going to lose the legislative battle over slavery eventually. Rather than adapt and live up to their agreement as members of the United States, they chose instead to abandon legal means and turn traitor to the United States.
Or that the confederate flag is not a symbol of endorsing slavery.
Where I think you can win. Is that that symbol has evolved into simply being anti government and anti liberal northern thinking. And in some people's eyes no longer has a racist connotation. EVEN if other people think it does. I know for a fact all the people that fly that flag are not racists.
Even if some of them are.
Seriously, I'm drowning in bleeding hearts in here.
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What the fuck.
They had their representation, they were just out-voted. Christ dude.
What if they view its meaning differently. The swastika used to mean something else. Does its use in a bad act forever end its use as something else?
Maybe it does. I don't have a swastika or the stars and bars on my car. And generally think anyone that does is a douche. But I have met so many people that do have the stars and bars that there has got to be a reason they still use it.
Anti-liberal Northern thinking? Now I've got even more reason to go around stabbing these people in the eye with a fire poker.
The red states totally should have formed their own country after the election. They are being oppressed by the black man after all so they'd be completely justified.
Also, ad hominem.
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The Confederate flag never meant anything else. This fact has been repeated over and over and over and over and over again throughout this thread.
The reason they still use it is because they're ignorant to what it represents.