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Mormons are fucking prompt
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Except the coupon is more like a get out of hell free card.
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I apologise for being overly harsh before.
It is just that some people see it as meddling in their spiritual affairs.
All right, I have stopped caring about this. I still think it is an unintentional dick move, however.
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Ah, America.
I still think the potential for dividing families by asking one person for permission to include someone in a religious act when said person nor anyone else has a say is the problem.
It's right up there with findoung out your late father is a member of some UFO cult because his shitty third wife said okay over the phone. Why should it be the mormon's place to request such a thing in the first place? what kind of shitty god asks for that kind of behavior?
spilling their tea
discharging their batteries
Hey! It's about time we got a real straw man in this thread.
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Hell doesn't look like fun. I've seen Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.
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Show me where anyone equated it to human sacrifice.
It's intrusive and unwanted yes, but not inhuman or disgusting.
yeah but death is kind of a punk when it comes to board games so we should be set anyways
Yeah, pretty sure I've got that base covered pretty well too.
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that was a weirdly specific and unrelated example, then
And see, the people performing this "service" are taking time (hours usually) out of their busy schedule to help people they never knew. This is done purely because they are doing what they think will eventually lead to happiness for everyone. The intent is PURELY out of love and kindness for their fellow men.
You see it as a small matter, but there appear to be people who are afraid that Mormon baptisms have some kind of magic power over them.
Only on magic underpants.
so intent is all that makes an act good or bad?
Then I hope you're at least agnostic because pretty much every church and religion that believes in heaven and hell takes the "My belief is the most correct" stance.
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I'll take it. So with the 20% off, what does that come to?
what is this, Mormon's Burden?
Edit, also I didn't realize GRMike was an expert on Mormonism. He has a website to show you guys! A website!
And we appreciate you for providing it.
No one compared it to human sacrifice. You just whipped that up to trivialize what people are saying.
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We should all go now, before Hitler comes up.
When it comes to religion yeah pretty much. The effects of your decisions have no bearing outside of reality.
HA HA HA! Exactly!
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"Did you sign up for the Tiet One heaven plan, or the Tier Two? I'm sorry, Tier Two is only valid with the ordinance offer, would you like to visit one of our fine money-lenders/"
"Nah, I'll just check in with those Protestants; I hear they accept no-credit customers if you just sign your name."
That's like installing a rad pneumatic tube messaging system in someone's house while they're on vacation.
I mean, yeah, they might actually want it but you still modified their house and out in something with no practical value to them. Also they never ever gave any hint as to wanting a pneumatic tube system.
And they also may have rolled their eyes every time the travel agency from the re-make of Fantasy Island with Malcolm McDowell sent the new travel orders to the island via a similar tube.
God I love this. I have to stop pointing it out and let it ride though.
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I was addressing the bolded part in the text I quoted. So I think intent has alot to do with it since he was calling into question wether or not this act actually helps someone be a better person.
But in this case since it is actually not hurting anyone AT ALL for prayers/ceremonies to be said in the privacy of someone else's church/temple, then yes, the intent is really all that matters.
I have had friends pray for me to be saved because I am a member of a cult that is going to hell. I found it touching that they cared enough about me to do that. I have also had people who I know hated me say they were going to do the same. Seeing as their intent was probably just to shove it in my face how wrong I am, I sort of took offense to that, but its not like I am going to freak out about it or even put any stock into it.
To some people it's not a small matter. To many of my extremely Roman Catholic family on my mother's side, who are nutty fucking Shiite Catholics, they would find that repulsive that someone would purposely try to interfere or supersede their loved one's relationship with Jeebus. To them, the word baptism is not synonymous with prayer and if the Mormon church specifically called what they were doing a baptism, well then it had a specific meaning or was attempting to specifically achieve a certain goal. A goal that was unwanted and intrusive, as well as against their personal faith because they were already baptised in the church and later confirmed Catholics.
I know it's not a physical ceremony. There's no corpse dug up and taken down to the river for a good dunking. That would be kind of cool actually. But to those who take religion seriously they don't want other people up in their business. Which is why I say keep it to yourself.
See the difference?
The issue is that it's an insult. The people this has been going over the worst with are the surviving relatives of Jewish Holocaust victims. Their ancestors were happy being Jewish, (right up until they got gassed for it, I guess, but at least then they were still proud) and they are happy being Jewish, and some punk ass kooks thousands of miles away are performing ceremonies which send one essential message: "You were wrong, but it's all good because I'm here to help you." You're not just "saying a prayer" for them, you're going out and telling them their parents were wrong and what they've learned is wrong but don't worry! We're here to take care of them, and we'll take care of you too once you're dead and you can't slam the door on us anymore. That's what's offensive. And if you take seriously your claim that you respect other people's beliefs and you still engage in this practice, then you're a giant fucking hypocrite and there's no way around it.
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how can it be disrespectful if you don't know
I am a Pastafarian.
You pretty much have to say that to any religion, dude.
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