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Mormons are fucking prompt
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well, the mormon church does hide and bury it's history, but they can learn normal history just fine.
YES
YES THEY SHOULD
IF THEY DON'T THAT IS DISCRIMINATION
...wait a second.
But it's so boring
/litigation
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According to you, my cave is my religion and the outside is the "real world"
According to me, your cave is this world and the outside is the truth I have learned through my religion.
So, right back at ya.
No offense intended.
How can you be sure that things need to be changed if you don't even know which things those are?
I mean, should black people have different kinds of marriages from white people? Tall couple and short couples? Etcetera.
Yes, there is a different combination of genitalia at play, but otherwise, what is the significant difference of a Gay couple?
Why shouldn't they be the same thing?
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Could our society survive if it was a complete 100% gay couple population?
Compare that to a society that is 100% straight couple population.
However, people bring up great points, the value of extra families to adopt children is of great value to society.
my dog is fucking awesome
I've quite honestly been trying for years.
The problem is faith by its very nature is irrational. So the values perpetuated by faith have no rational base. ie gay marriage. The only two reasons one would ever have to disallow gay marriage are bigotry and religion, neither of which are rational.
But it's not so what does that have to do with anything
Religion is not a cave. Religion is in the cave with you.
You are refusing to see MORE than just your religion. You do not need to abandon your religion to be open minded, you just need to be willing to see that there are other things that have the possibility of being true.
You can't call yourself open minded if you are in actuality closed off to the existence of an outside truth.
Your dog is adorable and I want to hug it.
Do we want to get into this? Cuz I could ask what you are talking about. But I am so tired from this thread.
I like SE++ cuz its funny and people here are generally intelligent. (My first thread I read was a bunch of people freaking out about the ocean and how its going to take over the world. Hilarious.) But I will continue to discuss this if for no other reason than to clear stuff up/defend my beliefs.
he will most certainly hug you back
mormonism is a cult
it's a cult
i-it's a cult!
It's like the guy in the cave is completely without his senses and suddenly sees some shadows on the wall and responds with OMGJESUS!!
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why does religion have any control over it if it's a secular institution
Truth through religion is impossible. If there ever comes a time where a religion is proven true it ceases to be 'religion' and becomes 'fact'
Yes.
Gay people aren't infertile. They could still conceive children, either through arranged agreements or through artificial means.
But are you suggesting that gay is contagious? That allowing gay marriage means that everyone would become Gay?
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Because it's a useful secular institution as well. We let people perform the religious ceremonies because it's their right to free exercise.
Then they get confused, thinking we're sanctioning their religious practices, and start demanding control of the secular institution, and then I have to explain the Establishment Clause again.
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yeah, but why not teach some of the full real history in those 3 hours of church i went to every sunday, and the many hours of youth group, or even in those hours of seminary. when i started studying on my own, my bishop scolded me for it and said it was best to not dig up the past and to just concern myself with having faith in the church leaders
i mean, i really would have loved to have been told about how a prophet is on record at a congressional hearing swearing that he has never received revelation from god, and that he was not chosen by god and that the apostles were also not chosen through revelation, and more. instead they teach the opposite of that! and those are all very important points to know
You can't learn any truth through religious practice
Isn't that the whole point? Having faith?
Gay people can even have heterosexual sex.
They may not have an urge to do it, but if it meant the survival of the species, I'm sure some folks would volunteer.
If God is eternal, he created us, and put us here for a reason, then all truth can be discovered or confirmed through Him. Its his game, afterall. So explain what you mean by "outside truth". Cuz thats not specific enough for me to fully follow.
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No church in its right mind would do something so foolish. That would only cause fear and distrust.
David Cross' bit is my favorite, because I think there's a lot of truth to it.
I think you get some of the really loud anti-gay folks who actually are gay themselves, and believe that EVERYONE has the urges that they do, because CLEARLY they couldn't be any different from anyone else.
So these folks, say, Larry Craig for instance. They oppose homosexual rights because they honestly think that EVERYONE would be flailing in a bathroom stall, looking for action.
If it was 100% gay population the birth rate would be tremendously low. Society would not function, it's possible but just no.
I was using the 100% to show value to society, not that it is contagious but to show they are not the same thing. People like to think they are, but they really are not.
The first word is the only important one, here. 'If.' Yes, if God is real then he's going to have all the answers. But no real truth can ever be gleamed from an 'if'.