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[Pro Wrestling]ZZ TOP HOSTS RAW NEXT WEEK! Night of Champions July 26th!

LegacyLegacy SCP Of The Digital FrontierThe Grid(Seattle)Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited July 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/articles/9678798/10853082

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To paraphrase one of ZZ Top’s classic tunes, they’re bad, they’re nationwide … and now, their hosting the next edition of Monday Night Raw!

Tune in Monday night to catch ZZ Top’s guitar greats, Billy Gibbons and Dusty Hill, creators of such indelible hits as “La Grange,” “Legs” and “Sleeping Bag,” as they join other pop culture luminaries Donald Trump and actor/producer Seth Green as Raw’s latest celebrity guest hosts.

Tune in Monday night to find out what the ZZ Top twosome have hidden under their beards for the Raw roster.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    The thing about a crusierweight division is that all the wrestlers that you could fit into that category are as charismatic as a piece of wood. They need a couple of guys that can hold the division and make it interesting enough to watch the feuds.

    WCW had Jericho, Eddie, and Rey, but all those guys are now too "big" to slum it in the CW division.

    Then there's the fact WWE has been hyping a safer style. So the less charismatic guys can't even get over by doing stupid stunts like Jeff Hardy was able to.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    noir_blood wrote: »
    The thing about a crusierweight division is that all the wrestlers that you could fit into that category are as charismatic as a piece of wood. They need a couple of guys that can hold the division and make it interesting enough to watch the feuds.

    WCW had Jericho, Eddie, and Rey, but all those guys are now too "big" to slum it in the CW division.

    Then there's the fact WWE has been hyping a safer style. So the less charismatic guys can't even get over by doing stupid stunts like Jeff Hardy was able to.

    Yeah my problem with the PG rating is that the action looks really subdued. I mean it doesn't have to be bloody or anything, but I haven't had a "Holy SHIT!" moment in a while.

  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I didn't think it was directly the whole PG thing they were pushing that killed a lot of the big crazy moves. I thought it was because Vince just went over protective of his wrest... I mean Superstars that they now have to pass any new move or stunt past him and that anything that might be too dangerous just gets axed. Thats why I didn't like the cruiserweight division much just before it got canned, though I do sort of miss it because Divas on two shows is just boring me.

    Shane Helms had the title for longer then JBL had the heavyweight title I believe, but they never really did anything with him. They even decided to play on the fact that they more or less hid their cruiserweight division by having JBL on comentary keep stating that he was SmackDown's biggest start and that they just kept hiding him away.

    And yea, in the WWE all of the cruiserweights were really small, so I don't even know if by WWE standards if Eddie or Jericho could have been in the division. Eddie could really do cruiserweight stuff pretty well, or for his size, do a power game/mat wrestling on someone smaller. And he was so damn charismatic.

    On another topic, there was one thing that they "Black Machismo" Jay Lethal (For those of you who don't know, for the past year and a half or two years Jay lethal has been a Macho Man Randy Savage impersonator for his character...) he started falling into Ric Flair briefly as he threw off his coat and started to strut. It made me laugh... and its sad that that is about the only thing TNA has done well in about the past half a year or so were those 7 or 8 seconds.

  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Ugh, don't get me started on the how stupid Black Machismo is.

    For a while they had a Stone Cold imitator and a Randy Savage imitator in the same show. Only in TNA.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Japan's Greatest Import Proto Neo TokyoRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Now if they were all played by Charlie Haas, it'd be gold.

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  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Shark Boy as a Stone Cold imitator is still around, he just isn't on TV anymore it seems. The story leading up to it and then him as Stone Cold Shark Boy was funny at first, but it got so old so fast.

    One thing I'm curious about is if Vince Russo is still working for TNA or not? I know he went there for awhile at least, but I don't know if he's still there or not. And to be honest, if they haven't fired him or he hasn't left... they honestly do not listen to the fans at all. Around a year and a half ago it was a match between Team 3-D and LAX I think in an electrified steel cage match. When the crowd chants "Fire Russo" during the match, you need to get the hint.

    Also, crowd chants can be so damn awesome.

    Edit: I loved some of those Charlie Haas moments with him coming out as some random person. I guess they got bored with it after a month.

  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    KurnDerak wrote: »
    Shark Boy as a Stone Cold imitator is still around, he just isn't on TV anymore it seems. The story leading up to it and then him as Stone Cold Shark Boy was funny at first, but it got so old so fast.

    One thing I'm curious about is if Vince Russo is still working for TNA or not? I know he went there for awhile at least, but I don't know if he's still there or not. And to be honest, if they haven't fired him or he hasn't left... they honestly do not listen to the fans at all. Around a year and a half ago it was a match between Team 3-D and LAX I think in an electrified steel cage match. When the crowd chants "Fire Russo" during the match, you need to get the hint.

    Also, crowd chants can be so damn awesome.

    The best was when MSG turned on Lita and chanted "Slut" and "We want Matt."

    I never been able to track down a video of it though, which sucks.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Japan's Greatest Import Proto Neo TokyoRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Was that when she almost started to cry? When Matt was first fired and they were ignoring it completely?

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Reynolds wrote: »
    Was that when she almost started to cry? When Matt was first fired and they were ignoring it completely?

    Yeah. It was amazing to watch, and I always wanted to rewatch it. You could tell both her and Trish were really thrown off by it.

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  • gijohn13gijohn13 Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Favourite chants

    To Orton: GO FUCK CENA and YOU GOT BITCHSLAPPED

    and also to RVD and (forget other wrestler) during a submission hold: BREAK HIS LEGS

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    3ds code: 1779 0686 9264
  • PunkBoyPunkBoy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I loved when chants would start up, especially at the times when I took part of them myself. I remember a really good "Holy Shit" starting up during the Kurt Angle vs. Shane McMahon match during King of the Ring 2001 . Man, that was a fun PPV to be at.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    It's been brought up before I think, but my favorite crowd was also MSG, the wrestlemania that had Goldber vs. Brock. With special referee Steve Austin.

    It's funny to think that a year, or even six months before, this would have been a headliner of epic proportions that people were clamoring for. By the time that WM rolled around, everyone in the audience knew(or quickly caught on) that both wrestlers were leaving the company.

    I seriously felt bad for both guys.

    Edit- That king of the ring match was cringe worthy. Especially when Angle's trying to suplex shane into the glass panes and has to keep trying.

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  • PunkBoyPunkBoy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Cringe worthy bad? Maybe it was because I was just a kid and didn't know any better, but I thought it was a good match...

    EDIT: Now that I think about it, I can tell I was such a kid when I watched wrestling.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I think cringe worthy as in "I think Shane is dead" kind of cringe.

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  • PunkBoyPunkBoy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Yeah, I do remember the match being pretty brutal.

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  • LegacyLegacy SCP Of The Digital Frontier The Grid(Seattle)Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    Not just brutal. But retarded brutal. He could've killed him. Or at least paralyzed him.

    Can we get the chemicals in. 'Cause anything's better than this.
  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Legacy wrote: »
    Not just brutal. But retarded brutal. He could've killed him. Or at least paralyzed him.

    Yea, that's what I mean. Though the match wasn't THAT great either, mainly cause those two had already raised the bar pretty high when it came to do doing stunts like that.

    I'm always split on those type of matches and moments. A part of me loves them(The moonsault and diving headbutt of the cage are two of my favorites), but at the same time, doing those type of moves seriously had to fuck up their heads.

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  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One Never let an alligator... Do your taxesRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I think the whole cruiser weight thing can be solved if they brought back Gillberg. :p

    I would like to see them put more of the midcards in ECW and keep the big names in smackdown/raw. ECW seems to have like the same 8 wrestlers and No one else. Specially now that they can't feed jobber after jobber to the boogie man. By making one of their shows their developmental show they can let the midcarders get their own story lines and such while not making it to where a skinny 180 pound guy can go toe to toe in a fist fight with taker, kane, or big show. And damn it. They need to bring the Hardcore belt out of retirement.

  • LegacyLegacy SCP Of The Digital Frontier The Grid(Seattle)Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    I think the whole cruiser weight thing can be solved if they brought back Gillberg. :p

    I would like to see them put more of the midcards in ECW and keep the big names in smackdown/raw. ECW seems to have like the same 8 wrestlers and No one else. Specially now that they can't feed jobber after jobber to the boogie man. By making one of their shows their developmental show they can let the midcarders get their own story lines and such while not making it to where a skinny 180 pound guy can go toe to toe in a fist fight with taker, kane, or big show. And damn it. They need to bring the Hardcore belt out of retirement.

    Wouldn't that be the ECW Championship? I mean, ECW does stand for Extreme Championship Wrestling.

    Not like the WWE would know it anymore though, I guess. When was the last time there was an 'extreme rules' match? I think RAW has had more 'no holds barred' matches THIS year than ECW has in the last year...

    Can we get the chemicals in. 'Cause anything's better than this.
  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One Never let an alligator... Do your taxesRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Legacy wrote: »
    I think the whole cruiser weight thing can be solved if they brought back Gillberg. :p

    I would like to see them put more of the midcards in ECW and keep the big names in smackdown/raw. ECW seems to have like the same 8 wrestlers and No one else. Specially now that they can't feed jobber after jobber to the boogie man. By making one of their shows their developmental show they can let the midcarders get their own story lines and such while not making it to where a skinny 180 pound guy can go toe to toe in a fist fight with taker, kane, or big show. And damn it. They need to bring the Hardcore belt out of retirement.

    Wouldn't that be the ECW Championship? I mean, ECW does stand for Extreme Championship Wrestling.

    Not like the WWE would know it anymore though, I guess. When was the last time there was an 'extreme rules' match? I think RAW has had more 'no holds barred' matches THIS year than ECW has in the last year...

    Thats pretty much my issue with the ECW brand now as a whole. If you were going to let people brutalize each other and maybe be a bit more PG-13 ECW would be the venue for it. I mean hell its on scIFi. Blood isn't new to the channel.

  • LegacyLegacy SCP Of The Digital Frontier The Grid(Seattle)Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    Legacy wrote: »
    I think the whole cruiser weight thing can be solved if they brought back Gillberg. :p

    I would like to see them put more of the midcards in ECW and keep the big names in smackdown/raw. ECW seems to have like the same 8 wrestlers and No one else. Specially now that they can't feed jobber after jobber to the boogie man. By making one of their shows their developmental show they can let the midcarders get their own story lines and such while not making it to where a skinny 180 pound guy can go toe to toe in a fist fight with taker, kane, or big show. And damn it. They need to bring the Hardcore belt out of retirement.

    Wouldn't that be the ECW Championship? I mean, ECW does stand for Extreme Championship Wrestling.

    Not like the WWE would know it anymore though, I guess. When was the last time there was an 'extreme rules' match? I think RAW has had more 'no holds barred' matches THIS year than ECW has in the last year...

    Thats pretty much my issue with the ECW brand now as a whole. If you were going to let people brutalize each other and maybe be a bit more PG-13 ECW would be the venue for it. I mean hell its on scIFi. Blood isn't new to the channel.

    Also, bad acting.

    I know there's the "Extreme Rules" PPV coming up in a few months, so that's where they'll go 'all out'(or however much out they can anymore at least) with the 'extreme', maybe ECW might have one or two beforehand as a 'preview'.

    Also, I don't think there should be any reason why ECW Championship matches aren't always held under 'extreme rules' conditions.

    Can we get the chemicals in. 'Cause anything's better than this.
  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One Never let an alligator... Do your taxesRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Its because its not ECW anymore, its effectively PGCW now. I enjoyed it when they used to have atleast one Extreme rules match a night, and gave it more of a glamerous old ECW feel with the entrance and such. It was so different then Raw and SmackDown so it made it worth watching. Well, except for the fact that I think it was Rick Flair vs. RVD (I know it was a flair match) was very soon on one of the "greatest ECW matches" dvds put out by WWE. That made me really sad.

  • ReynoldsReynolds Japan's Greatest Import Proto Neo TokyoRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Reynolds wrote: »
    Was that when she almost started to cry? When Matt was first fired and they were ignoring it completely?

    Yeah. It was amazing to watch, and I always wanted to rewatch it. You could tell both her and Trish were really thrown off by it.

    That was right when I was back into wrestling. It was amazing. They had such a great chance there...and they blew it, of course.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Reynolds wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Reynolds wrote: »
    Was that when she almost started to cry? When Matt was first fired and they were ignoring it completely?

    Yeah. It was amazing to watch, and I always wanted to rewatch it. You could tell both her and Trish were really thrown off by it.

    That was right when I was back into wrestling. It was amazing. They had such a great chance there...and they blew it, of course.

    Well, it did get Matt his job back.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Japan's Greatest Import Proto Neo TokyoRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    And they built up his feud with Edge...only to have Edge beat him. And then it just sorta ended and Edge stayed in the championship fight, and Matt went back to doing nothing special. At least from what I remember.

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    They had a whole bunch of matches, and I thik Matt maybe won like one of them. Most of the feud was Matt getting his ass handed to him. They weren't booked as anywhere close to equals, it sucked.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    They had a whole bunch of matches, and I thik Matt maybe won like one of them. Most of the feud was Matt getting his ass handed to him. They weren't booked as anywhere close to equals, it sucked.

    They do that all the time, witness Punks non reign as champ, or fucking Jeff Hardy who never really defended the belt honestly ever.

  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Apparently the king has tourettes.

    http://www.wrestlinggonewrong.com/video/lawler_jbl_dicks.html

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    The list never changes: http://www.infinitebacklog.com
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  • RaggaholicRaggaholic Registered User
    edited March 2009
    I haven't watched wrestling in forever (since around the Invasion), but I took a gander at the thread. After reading through it, I have to say that the Black Machismo web bio may just be one of the best things I have ever seen.

    Feral wrote:
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  • evilbobevilbob Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Apparently the king has tourettes.

    http://www.wrestlinggonewrong.com/video/lawler_jbl_dicks.html

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    <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" /> that's awesome

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    How pretty am I?
    Geth roll 1d10
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    /me rolls 1d10 -> 10 (sum:10)
  • Triple BTriple B Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I'm pretty sure he intended to say "Decks...CM Punk right back into that turnbuckle"

    Still, really funny out of context.

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  • Auntie ShibbyAuntie Shibby Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    I'm watching smackdown right now. They showed a video of triple h breaking into ortons 'home'

    Man, Trips has a huge ass nose. I mean, I know it was big, but god damn. That last shot of him in the cop car was so unflattering.

    Guess you have to have a nose that big to brown nose Vince's ego enough to marry into the family.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Matt cut a great promo in tonight's Smackdown. Probably the best of his career.

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  • Auntie ShibbyAuntie Shibby Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2009
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Matt cut a great promo in tonight's Smackdown. Probably the best of his career.
    I think Jeff did a better one after the fact.

    Seeing as Matt has a slur and Jeff doesn't. If Creative does a better job, Jeff could actually be the new HBK.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Matt cut a great promo in tonight's Smackdown. Probably the best of his career.
    I think Jeff did a better one after the fact.

    Seeing as Matt has a slur and Jeff doesn't. If Creative does a better job, Jeff could actually be the new HBK.

    People have been saying that for years. I honestly have never seen it.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    It's cause they're both risk takers and high flyers (Shawn for his time.)

    The HUGE difference is that Michaels can actually wrestle, where as Jeff is a all spots, all the time. Can anyone seriously name 5 great matches involving Jeff that don't include ladders/tables/chairs?

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  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Jeff vs. Triple H tend to be pretty decent matches, and his Umaga matches weren't bad.

    Personally, my problem with Jeff is he is one of those wrestlers that has a decent amount of notable moves, but the people who control the matches make him do almost all of them every match. So we always get that one where someone grabs his foot, and he flips around into a donkey kick or something, I dunno what its called, we get whisper in the wind, we get the double kick to the person in the corner, usually a twist of fate followed by a swanton bomb, and I think one or two others.
    It becomes more annoying when it happens each and every week over and over... against the same person like his fued with Umaga. So he can have good matches, I just don't like watching them too close to one another.

  • Triple BTriple B Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I'd like to be able to actually watch SmackDown. Unfortunately, Comcast in Massachusetts has never heard of MyNetworkTV.

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  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Youtube it 10 minutes after the show is over, you should be able to get all of it.

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