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I'd put money on an Eddie-ish heart problem.
But how bad do you have to be to get kicked out of TNA?
Everyone does that. Austin did, Rock did, Cena does, Triple H does, Benoit did, etc. It's just more noticable because Jeff is an underdog type who genrally gets his ass beat on for most of the match, with big comebacks sprinkled in between...so most of his offense is his "signature" offense. But having a handful of moves and spots that you break out in every match is incredibly common in wrestling. It's because the crowd is warmed up to it, so it gets a pop...generally you want to build the match around these recognizable spots.
He wasn't kicked out of TNA per se, he was in TNA shortly after the Benoit tragedy and from the reports at the time, he was quite large (had been hitting the juice) so TNA told him to come back when he didn't look so freakish. They apparently didn't want to get some of the heat of having roided up wrestlers, though that in and of itself was unavoidable.
Man that sucks. I still remember him vs. Shane at Summerslam when Shane first showed just how wacko he is by jumping through the announce table from the top rope.
I've watched very few Austin or Rock matches, but yea, I know Cena, HHH, and so forth do it. I think for myself the reason its so noticable with Jeff Hardy is a lot of his are done back to back in the match, or at least it used to be that way. So once he started it was the same string of moves in near the same way.
And on David_Ts comment. I honestly don't know a lot of what goes into a match, mainly how much is pre-planned, such as someone saying "You need to do this spot here, and pull this here, and this is how it ends". I just sort of assumed there would be people saying "Hey, this move gets a reaction, do it each match". Though obviously a wrestler can only have so many moves they can reliably pull off on a regular basis.
Also, on a completely different note, why did CM Punk stop using the anaconda vice and move to the GTS? I personally would like to see him use both, as I think its good to see a wrestler that can finish with a strong hit or a submission to mix things up.
He might have stopped using it cause it doesn't look that great for a finisher. And since he isn't high up in the food chain, he isn't able to continously use it until it gets over as a competent finisher(Like Cena did with his STFU, which I still hate)
And yeah, wrestlers do have a bunch of common moves that they string together. Heck, look at some of Bret's last matches and he's basically doing the same five moves in a row before winning the match. The thing with jeff is that apart from his set moves, he has almost no offense whatsoever. Whether that's from lack of skill or just the way he's contastantly booked, I don't know.
The one thing reading Scott Keith recaps have imprinted in me. It even has its own TV trope.
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They basically came out of a match against Dynamite Kid, if I recall...
Owen, Eddie, Crash Holly (Shut up), Benoit (who was my 2nd all time favorite), Test.
Is Mick Foley under some kind of protective custody?
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Man, Crash was awesome. Without him we wouldn't have had the 24 hour rule on the hardcore belt, which brought lots of great moments. I forgot he passed away.
And Mick Foley is better than protective custory. He's in TNA, where no one will ever spot him again.*rimshot*
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You stay the hell away from Shawn Michaels.
Shawn is just about done anyway...
I consider the post 'born again' Shawn Michaels to be a completely different entity than the Heartbreak Kid. It helps me sleep at night.
Yes, but look at him. His face is just tired. Sagging eye.
I don't want to look at him. It's depressing. He should have went out after his back injury and retired as one of the greats. Instead, he came back and sullied the legacy. I had a tear in my eye when he left after losing to Austin, he was one of my favorite entertainers - from any medium. But returning was a mistake.
Why?
He's still a great wrestler and manages to hang with almost everyone he's paired with.
I do agree that he needs a new gimmick. The 'Heartbreak Kid/DX Buffoon' thing is A) played out, and more importantly B) Just plain sad nowadays.
Nonetheless, I still enjoy his matches, and I don't mind him sticking around for a while longer.
I suppose. I just wish his legacy would have remained with him being one of the greatest wrestlers ever. His age is noticeable and sometimes distracting in his performance - it shows. His intensity and charisma is on and off with no measure of consistency. A lot of the time he just looks tired. This is obviously a matter of opinion but I would have preferred if he went out on top instead of fizzling out slowly. Shawn Michaels has become my 'Matrix Trilogy.'
Sorry, wrestling logic annoys me sometimes.
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Also the logic that dropping someone to the side off of your shoulder (FU) or picking someone up by their neck and dropping them on their back (choke slam) can be just as, if not more devistating then say a chair shot or a championship belt to the head... or getting driven through an announce table.
On another note, I think what the WWE should do sometime is just have all of those storylines and characters that mysteriously disappeared come back out of the plot hole they fell into and try and take over the WWE. It would be confusing as hell, really absurd... most likely stupid... but I'd watch it.
God damn man, that creeps me out a little bit. I mean, to hear him talk about the wrestlers that have died young, and what that looks like, and then to think about the fact that he probably (we don't know yet) died the same way...its creepy and its heart breaking and its tragic all at the same time.
Why are the commentators so bad? Was it an off night or are they always like that?
One of them said something to the effect of "If this were a video game he would be tapping A and B right now!" and "Speaking of video games, *guy whose name I forget* has on his Tetris shorts!"
I mean, really?
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His age is noticable, especially when you look at his face. He's not the "Kid" anymore, but he still works harder and does the mic better than half the roster. It's a testament to just how good he was in the 90s.
Watch his PPV matches from the winter - fall of 1996, starting with the Royal Rumble. I mean shit, he pulled a 4* match out of Sid at Survivor Series. That's incredible. The other noticable difference between Shawn and the other guys of mid 90s is that Shawn was already in the Attitude Era, 2 full years before it came around. His charisma, his look, his style, everything was a step ahead the entire roster. I'm going back to SS again, but watch that PPV in full. It's gimmicky, full of cheesy late 80s crap. The only two matches on that show that could fit into a show from 1998-2002 were Austin/Bret and Michaels/Sid. And it's no surprise that Austin was involved in one of them, but it's just an entirely different feeling to see Shawn and Sid work together than the gimmicky shit earlier in the show. It feels like a time machine.
Just a quick rundown of 1996...
IYH: Rage in the Cage - Defeated Owen Hart, the man that injured him, and kept his WM12 title shot
WMXII - The Ironman Match, obvious here.
IYH: Good Friends, Better Enemies - vs. Diesel. This one is overlooked because it was Diesel's last match, but it was a hardcore match before the WWF was doing hardcore matches.
IYH: Beware of Dog - vs. British Bulldog. This match was a good one, but was marred by the electrical problems in the arena.
KoTR - vs. the Bulldog again. Great and exciting match up, made even better with Owen on commentary.
IYH: International Incident - Okay this is probably the weakest of all the matches. The 6 man tag was a cluster fuck. Shawn did his best, but when you're partnered with Ahmed Johnson, there's only so much you can do.
Summerslam - vs. Vader. This is the famous match where Vader was supposed to win the title, but Shawn didn't want to lose, so he pussied out mid-match and the solution was a run in by Mankind. The match itself is actually pretty good, but it leads too...
IYH: Mind Games - Foley considers this match the best one of his career, and it shows. It's a 5* match all the way around.
IYH: Buried Alive - Because of the hype around Taker/Mankind in a buried alive match, Michaels actually wrestled Goldust in a dark match. It's the strangest god damn thing. I've never seen this match and I don't even know if a tape of it exists.
Survivor Series - I mentioned this already. It's a great match with lots of psychology. Plus, the crowd was booing the face and cheering the heel. Very awesome to watch.
At this point, Michaels and Taker are the only two guys left from their group. They're the relics of an era past (hell, Jericho should be attacking them about it too, not just the real old timers), but they're so good at what they do that they can fit in today's wrestling without missing a beat.
Another problem is what you said before, the goofy rebel thing Shawn has been doing since DX started in late '97 is very worn out. But so is a lot of the roster right now. It could use a good shaking up....but just like Cena, the almighty dollar prevails. Shawn pushes merchandise as a face, and that's what the company truly wants in the end. The money.
because seriously, he was one of the few guys that could get away with that, and probably the only one with the balls to do it
I also really wish they would stop with the "surprise" DX reunions, where all they do is make dick jokes and shill old merchandise, but as long as Michaels is having feuds that are as high quality as his Jericho and JBL ones, I'm not really in a hurry to send him out to pasture.
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So ROH's first episode is this weekend on HDNet. Anyone else gonna be watching/ I'm pretty excited.
Ahh austin if only the WWE could copy his schtick with someones whose knees still work.
I don't think he's a midcarder at all. Yea, his JBL feud was midcard, but the one right before that, with Jericho was basically what pushed Raw forward for a good few months.
He's one of those guys that doesn't need the belts.
Yeah he doesn't need the belt, but the longer he goes without a strap the less the younger crowd will think of him as anyone but a perrenial contender and not a winner. We know he's awesome but the WWE needs to remind people why they call him the show stopper.
i figured he would, going by the way everythings been going and since theyre in texas.
i totally forgot about todays date, however...