Shoulda put a ring of protection +1 on it. (Table top games)

A Dabble Of Thelonius · March 2009

So this right here is the new tabletop gaming thread. D&D, M&M, Snickers, WH40k, whatever your little heart desires.

D&D Stuff

D&D Official site. If you haven't tried out the character builder, you really should. It's in free trial right now, so you can use it up to level 3. Takes all the work out of character creation and is much easier than flipping pages and comparing books. As of right now, they do NOT have all the PHB2 content in there, because it's WOTC and they suck at computers.

Speaking of PHB2. Players Handbook 2 just came out. It features new classes (avenger, barbarian, bard, druid, invoker, shaman, sorcerer, and warden) new races (deva, gnome, goliath, half-orc, and shifter) and new feats, destinies and items. Pretty swanky stuff.

Other games stuff

I got nothin'. Feel free to put up some links to your favorites, I'll add them to the OP.

ITT : Nerds, dice, being jealous of Rank, Mori has a talking door in his pocket but he's still happy to see you.

GRMike · March 2009

Hunter wrote: »

GRMike wrote: »

This is like tabletop World of Warcraft, right?

More like Imbaladins amirite

And we don't even get nerfed at patch!

Ness445 · March 2009

this isn't my beyonce thread.

wait, this isn't the guilty pleasures thread.

Hunter · March 2009

GRMike wrote: »

Hunter wrote: »

GRMike wrote: »

This is like tabletop World of Warcraft, right?

More like Imbaladins amirite

And we don't even get nerfed at patch!

World of RogueCraft turned to World of WarlockCraft, and now it's World of PaladinCraft.

That was always my biggest pet peeve with WoW. It was impossible to balance all 9 (now 10) classes, simply because it was so complex and there was so much to do. Depending on when you caught it, there were always a few way OP classes, a few middle of the road, and a few WTF classes that were basically gimped. Randomely, Blizzard would shake up which class was in which category based on some random number generator. Rince and repeat every few patches.

Then watch the nerd rage fly.

Abracadaniel · March 2009

Man nobody wants to play?

Squall · March 2009

I'd play, but have they even announced when that will be a reality?

Also, I was looking through PHB II and the Versatile Master Feat seems real nice for Half-Elves

Versatile Master
Prerequisite: 11th level, half-elf
Benefit: You can use the power you chose
through your Dilettante racial trait as an at-will
power.
If you choose the paragon multiclassing option
(see the Playerâ€™s Handbook, page 209), you can
choose powers at 11th level, 12th level, and 20th
level from any class, instead of only from your
second class. You can also spend an action point to
regain the use of an encounter attack power that you
have already used during this encounter, instead of
taking an extra action.

Trouble is, I can't think of a class that Half-Elves would be excel in that could benefit from having an at-will like twin-strike

Stationary · March 2009

don't you just replace one of your at-wills with another if you take Paragon Multiclassing?

Squall · March 2009

No, the novice, acolyte, and adept feats let you take an encounter, utility, and daily power from a different class, respectively.

The dilettante racial trait lets you take an encounter power from another class, and this new feat lets you have an at-will instead.

Abracadaniel · March 2009

So being a rogue is awesome in 4e.

Just sayin'

Squall · March 2009

I haven't had a chance to play 4e yet, unfortunately.

My group never gets a chance to meet, and when we do we're switching between a Hunter campaign and an Aberrant d20 campaign. Also one of the dudes doesn't want to cough up monies for 4e since he sunk so much into all the 3.5 errata.

Stale · March 2009

Squall wrote: »

I haven't had a chance to play 4e yet, unfortunately.

My group never gets a chance to meet, and when we do we're switching between a Hunter campaign and an Aberrant d20 campaign. Also one of the dudes doesn't want to cough up monies for 4e since he sunk so much into all the 3.5 errata.

nothing worse then a cheap nerd

Metzger Meister · March 2009

I kinda want to play a half-orc rogue. And the concept would be, rather than a stealthy lock-picker, he's a fucking heist man, or hired muscle. A shoulder-thumpin, leg-breakin, card-carryin' member of the "break your face for a couple gold pieces" club.

Squall · March 2009

Metzger Meister wrote: »

I kinda want to play a half-orc rogue. And the concept would be, rather than a stealthy lock-picker, he's a fucking heist man, or hired muscle. A shoulder-thumpin, leg-breakin, card-carryin' member of the "break your face for a couple gold pieces" club.

They're built pretty well for the class. I was just surprised that half-orcs got a dex bonus.

Ness445 · March 2009

Metzger Meister wrote: »

I kinda want to play a half-orc rogue. And the concept would be, rather than a stealthy lock-picker, he's a fucking heist man, or hired muscle. A shoulder-thumpin, leg-breakin, card-carryin' member of the "break your face for a couple gold pieces" club.

so a rogue like a thug, not a rogue like...Garret from Thief?

Metzger Meister · March 2009

Ness445 wrote: »

Metzger Meister wrote: »

I kinda want to play a half-orc rogue. And the concept would be, rather than a stealthy lock-picker, he's a fucking heist man, or hired muscle. A shoulder-thumpin, leg-breakin, card-carryin' member of the "break your face for a couple gold pieces" club.

so a rogue like a thug, not a rogue like...Garret from Thief?

exactly.

Squall · March 2009

I dunno...thug and rogue don't really seem to match very well. I mean, isn't the very idea behind a rogue is that he acts on his own whims, not those of others?

Metzger Meister · March 2009

His loyalty lies with gold and staying alive. And no one understands him but his woman.

Ness445 · March 2009

wait are we talking about Shaft or this half-orc?

Is Shaft half-orcish?

Squall · March 2009

Being a henchman doesn't seem like a good stayin' alive occupation

Mysst · March 2009

squall don't compartmentalize rogues man

Abracadaniel · March 2009

Yeah, there's two "builds" for the Rogue in 4e, the Brutal Rogue and the Artful Dodger. Picking certain powers and feats grant bonuses depending on which build you take. The Artful Dodger built grants you bonuses against Opportunity Attacks, while the Brutal Rogue lets you deal more damage with a rogue power (usually allowing you to add your STR modifier to a power it wouldn't otherwise)

You can pick any powers you want, it's just that some confer more benefits than others.

There's a power that lets you throw sand in your enemy's eyes!

Metzger Meister · March 2009

Squall wrote: »

Being a henchman doesn't seem like a good stayin' alive occupation

He's like 21. He is a perfect mix of inept and invincible.

edit: HA. Artful Dodger. Classy.

Squall · March 2009

I confess I have never played a rogue.

Mysst · March 2009

I mean, I do play my rogues as free-willed, devil-may-care, gimme-da-cash, fuck-da-police kind of dudes, but you know, there's always a place for burly yes-men

Abracadaniel · March 2009

So long as you're not the obnoxious dude who steals from the party every chance it's a lot of fun. One of the guys in my group would almost always volunteer to do the equipment shopping, because he'd use his mad charisma to get the stuff at a lower rate, and pocket the remaining gold. Called it a service fee.

Squall · March 2009

Ranger is just so temping in 4e

Stale · March 2009

Squall wrote: »

Ranger is just so temping in 4e

a ranger and a ranged rogue in the same party is fucking devastating

A Dabble Of Thelonius · March 2009

Hey, metz, Martial Power (and the character builder) have a third Rogue tactic. Ruthless Ruffian, proficient with clubs and maces, you can use these weapons with Sneak Attack and any rogue powers that have the Light Blade keyword. If you use a club or mace with a power that has the Rattling keyword, add your strength modifier to the damage roll. Might fit that character concept.

Metzger Meister · March 2009

That's rad.

Abracadaniel · March 2009

Did they ever come up with a way to handle subdual damage in 4e?

Like, if I wanted to just knock a dude out, rather than kill him, how would it play out? Could I use the pommel of my sword to crack him across the temple or what?

A Dabble Of Thelonius · March 2009

I think it's just a DM call. No real rules, just hey I wanna smack that guy with this attack instead of pierce his spleen.

Squall · March 2009

Righteous brand or twin-strike on a fighter would be pretty rad as well, it'd just be hard to build a good half-elf fighter.

Hell, half-elf cleric with twin strike would be good too.

Metzger Meister · March 2009

Also half-orcs seem a lot less like the bastard rape-babbies this time around. I like that. It may be a strategy to avoid offending people, but they seem a bit more deep or something I dunno.

Squall · March 2009

Also: is orc no longer a language? Is that why half-orcs dont have that as a base language?

Mysst · March 2009

maybe they got tired of rape and wanted meaningful relationships with human and elf women

Abracadaniel · March 2009

If I were to make a guess, it's cause most half-orcs aren't raised by their orc parents, they'd more likely be killed for being 'weaker.'

Squall · March 2009

The thing is, why does it make more sense that they speak giant?

Abracadaniel · March 2009

I dunno, I haven't read the PHB2

Metzger Meister · March 2009

There's actually this whole character background thing and a couple of the half-orc ones involve full-blooded orc tribes and such and bein' raised by them.

Squall · March 2009

Ah, in PHB I it has a list of languages and who speaks them. Giants, orcs, and orgres all speak giant.

Abracadaniel · March 2009

They probably did that to avoid the problems of the Forgotten Realms in 3e, where there's like 300 different regional languages and alphabets.

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Shoulda put a ring of protection +1 on it. (Table top games)

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