We're pimps and killers, but in a philanthropic way. [Dollhouse, Whedon spoilers]

JamesKeenan · April 2009

OremLK wrote: »

I'm still wondering if Whedon has an ace in the hole with 20th Century. As far as I know they have a good relationship and he always seems to deliver good earners in the home video department. I don't know how much pull he has with them or whether they'd be willing to step in on his behalf and help DH get renewed, but I'm hanging onto that wild hope.

If Kevin Smith is to be believed, "You make money = We like you." End of story.

It's all about the end result. 200 dollar movie made 2,000 dollars? You're awesome.

57 mil dollar movie made 60 million? :^:

MrMister · April 2009

It's really amazing to me that they would cancel this.

Well, it's not really that part that amazes me. It's more that it would be unpopular enough to cancel.

OremLK · April 2009

End wrote: »

OremLK wrote: »

The situation with Prison Break is different though. FOX is airing all the episodes they ordered. It's the production company (20th Century Fox) that produced an extra series finale to wrap things up, which is going on the DVD set.

Well, that makes me slightly less angry, but I'm still annoyed. Why the hell did they produce an extra episode, I wonder?

I'm assuming when they made the fourth season they didn't know whether the show would be back, so it ended with a cliffhanger or some such. When FOX canceled it I guess the production company decided the DVD sales would be enough to be worth producing a satisfying conclusion for the fans.

PantsB · April 2009

TvByTheNumbers has been saying Dollhouse will inevitably be canceled since before the show aired. Even as other sources, even now, say that the decision is up in the air or that Fox is keeping Dollhouse around they've said each new piece of data is a new final nail in the coffin. I don't get why people want to wallow in that misery.

I still think it gets retained. But if it doesn't dwelling on it makes no sense.

piL · April 2009

PantsB wrote: »

TvByTheNumbers has been saying Dollhouse will inevitably be canceled since before the show aired. Even as other sources, even now, say that the decision is up in the air or that Fox is keeping Dollhouse around they've said each new piece of data is a new final nail in the coffin. I don't get why people want to wallow in that misery.

I still think it gets retained. But if it doesn't dwelling on it makes no sense.

Drama of a show? That's an hour a week. Maybe two or three if you have some friends to talk with it about.

Drama about a show? Boundless.

ElJeffe · April 2009

Srsly

I'd say Dollhouse nets me about 4 hours of entertainment per week.

OremLK · April 2009

It's kind of like watching sports. Look at the numbers, bite your nails, hope Joss Whedon or Tim Minear come up to bat soon and knock an episode out of the park.

Bionic Monkey · April 2009

PantsB wrote: »

TvByTheNumbers has been saying Dollhouse will inevitably be canceled since before the show aired. Even as other sources, even now, say that the decision is up in the air or that Fox is keeping Dollhouse around they've said each new piece of data is a new final nail in the coffin. I don't get why people want to wallow in that misery.

I still think it gets retained. But if it doesn't dwelling on it makes no sense.

People have been saying the show would be cancelled since it was first announced it would air on Fox. I'm pretty sure that was literally the second post, if not the OP when it was announced here in the forum.

There is just literally no faith in Fox not fucking us fans over, yet again.

I just honestly can't find the energy to be outraged on behalf of the show over it. It's a good show, but out of the four shows now he's done, it's definately his weakest.

GungHo · April 2009

PantsB wrote: »

TvByTheNumbers has been saying Dollhouse will inevitably be canceled since before the show aired. Even as other sources, even now, say that the decision is up in the air or that Fox is keeping Dollhouse around they've said each new piece of data is a new final nail in the coffin. I don't get why people want to wallow in that misery.

Dude. Seriously?

mcdermott · April 2009

Bionic Monkey wrote: »

PantsB wrote: »

TvByTheNumbers has been saying Dollhouse will inevitably be canceled since before the show aired. Even as other sources, even now, say that the decision is up in the air or that Fox is keeping Dollhouse around they've said each new piece of data is a new final nail in the coffin. I don't get why people want to wallow in that misery.

I still think it gets retained. But if it doesn't dwelling on it makes no sense.

People have been saying the show would be cancelled since it was first announced it would air on Fox. I'm pretty sure that was literally the second post, if not the OP when it was announced here in the forum.

There is just literally no faith in Fox not fucking us fans over, yet again.

I just honestly can't find the energy to be outraged on behalf of the show over it. It's a good show, but out of the four shows now he's done, it's definately his weakest.

I think it has a ton of potential, and it's premature to call it his weakest.

Well, maybe. I really loved his other shows.

Anyway, canceling the last episode may make sense if it's set up such that episode 12 largely wraps up current plot issues, while episode 13 sets up for a second season. Basically provide a pseudo-series-finale in case it didn't get picked up, which had to be a very real consideration from the outset.

Also, the US needs more one-off shows. One-season (or half-season) shows with no prospect for further seasons that basically tell a complete story in 12-24 episodes. The only one I can think of in recent years was Day Break, which I enjoyed even though it was utterly mediocre. Mainly because it was marginally enjoyable with low commitment...I was going to get an "ending" in X episodes, no matter what. Like an extended movie.

It was also amusing when they canned it, despite having already aired half of it and having a total of six more episodes of the entire series to air. And the fact that it was only filling the slot during another show's hiatus (Lost, IIRC). And that they just put reruns on in its place.

Basically I hate networks.

I think Dollhouse may have made a brilliant 24-episode series, especially if they had condensed the first five down into like two or three. No worries about being renewed for next season, only have to maintain ratings strong enough to warrant playing the remaining episodes rather than trying to find a mid-season replacement that could do better.

And worst-case, the production company can just release the entire thing as a DVD set later, so fans will always have a chance to get the "whole" series.

OremLK · April 2009

Bionic Monkey wrote: »

PantsB wrote: »

TvByTheNumbers has been saying Dollhouse will inevitably be canceled since before the show aired. Even as other sources, even now, say that the decision is up in the air or that Fox is keeping Dollhouse around they've said each new piece of data is a new final nail in the coffin. I don't get why people want to wallow in that misery.

I still think it gets retained. But if it doesn't dwelling on it makes no sense.

People have been saying the show would be cancelled since it was first announced it would air on Fox. I'm pretty sure that was literally the second post, if not the OP when it was announced here in the forum.

There is just literally no faith in Fox not fucking us fans over, yet again.

I just honestly can't find the energy to be outraged on behalf of the show over it. It's a good show, but out of the four shows now he's done, it's definately his weakest.

I think it's comparable to or possibly better than Buffy and Angel's first seasons. I find the premise far more compelling than either of those two shows, as well.

I suppose if it gets canceled and we only get this season you'll probably have a good point there, though, unless the last five episodes are astonishingly good.

End · April 2009

mcdermott wrote: »

Also, the US needs more one-off shows. One-season (or half-season) shows with no prospect for further seasons that basically tell a complete story in 12-24 episodes. The only one I can think of in recent years was Day Break, which I enjoyed even though it was utterly mediocre. Mainly because it was marginally enjoyable with low commitment...I was going to get an "ending" in X episodes, no matter what. Like an extended movie.

I definitely agree that the US needs more one-off shows. Too often shows overstay their welcome, don't wrap things up, and are tarnished as a result. I like a nice complete story, often a story I can buy in a DVD set after its finished its run.

In the very least, I'd like to see shows do a much better job of wrapping up story arcs.

Renzo · April 2009

Tangentially related:

There is a band called The Browncoats and yes they sing about Jayne

Delzhand · April 2009

OremLK wrote: »

Bionic Monkey wrote: »

PantsB wrote: »

TvByTheNumbers has been saying Dollhouse will inevitably be canceled since before the show aired. Even as other sources, even now, say that the decision is up in the air or that Fox is keeping Dollhouse around they've said each new piece of data is a new final nail in the coffin. I don't get why people want to wallow in that misery.

I still think it gets retained. But if it doesn't dwelling on it makes no sense.

People have been saying the show would be cancelled since it was first announced it would air on Fox. I'm pretty sure that was literally the second post, if not the OP when it was announced here in the forum.

There is just literally no faith in Fox not fucking us fans over, yet again.

I just honestly can't find the energy to be outraged on behalf of the show over it. It's a good show, but out of the four shows now he's done, it's definately his weakest.

I think it's comparable to or possibly better than Buffy and Angel's first seasons. I find the premise far more compelling than either of those two shows, as well.

I suppose if it gets canceled and we only get this season you'll probably have a good point there, though, unless the last five episodes are astonishingly good.

Buffy and Angel, fine, but Serenity was kicking ass in its first episode and still got canned. Or did Serenity Part I and II not air first?

PantsB · April 2009

GungHo wrote: »

PantsB wrote: »

TvByTheNumbers has been saying Dollhouse will inevitably be canceled since before the show aired. Even as other sources, even now, say that the decision is up in the air or that Fox is keeping Dollhouse around they've said each new piece of data is a new final nail in the coffin. I don't get why people want to wallow in that misery.

Dude. Seriously?

Whose misery?

Renzo wrote: »

Tangentially related:

There is a band called The Browncoats and yes they sing about Jayne

Do there wear this?

mcdermott · April 2009

Delzhand wrote: »

Buffy and Angel, fine, but Serenity was kicking ass in its first episode and still got canned. Or did Serenity Part I and II not air first?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: PAGES OF NERD RAGE

EDIT: Medium answer is that "The Train Job" aired first, and "Serenity (I and II)" aired last. Followed by nerd rage.

EDIT: The episode order in the U.S., according to wikipedia, was 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 4, 5, 9, 10, 14, 1. With 11-13 unaired, and 1 being Serenity parts I and II combined.

ElJeffe · April 2009

My only potential aversion to one-off seasons of shows is that a single season is just long enough to become seriously invested in characters and thus want more of them. A movie is, like, two hours. You watch it, you go home. Even the best characters in a movie have little staying power; they don't instill in you that sense of kinship, and while you may look forward to sequels, it's not a big deal if you don't get them.

After a season, though, after 13+ hours of following these characters across several months, you're hooked. These people are almost like family. I mean, look at Firefly. One season, and then a 2 hour movie that pretty much wrapped up all the loose ends. Hey, awesome, now we're done with Firefly, right? Aw, fuck no! Many people would murder a nun for a second season.

ElJeffe · April 2009

mcdermott wrote: »

EDIT: The episode order in the U.S., according to wikipedia, was 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 4, 5, 9, 10, 14, 1. With 11-13 unaired, and 1 being Serenity parts I and II combined.

You know, I knew this was the case, but I'd never seen it actually written out. It's so much more painful this way, like it's one of those "Predict what comes next in this series" riddles, and the answer is "Cancellation!"

OremLK · April 2009

ElJeffe wrote: »

My only potential aversion to one-off seasons of shows is that a single season is just long enough to become seriously invested in characters and thus want more of them. A movie is, like, two hours. You watch it, you go home. Even the best characters in a movie have little staying power; they don't instill in you that sense of kinship, and while you may look forward to sequels, it's not a big deal if you don't get them.

After a season, though, after 13+ hours of following these characters across several months, you're hooked. These people are almost like family. I mean, look at Firefly. One season, and then a 2 hour movie that pretty much wrapped up all the loose ends. Hey, awesome, now we're done with Firefly, right? Aw, fuck no! Many people would murder a nun for a second season.

I was thinking about it the other day, and I realized that if I had $40 million to spend for a direct-to-DVD movie/miniseries/season of Firefly, I would totally be calling up Whedon on the phone. I'm not even kidding.

Spoiler:

noir_blood · April 2009

So is this pretty much the death knell of the show?

I can't understand why they wouldn't show the 13th episode, especially since it features not only you know who

but

Spoiler:

mcdermott · April 2009

noir_blood wrote: »

So is this pretty much the death knell of the show?

I can't understand why they wouldn't show the 13th episode, especially since it features not only you know who

but

Spoiler:

Felicia Day

Cancelling a show featuring Felicia Day is a grave insult to all mankind. If this is true, these people must be held to answer for their crimes.

OremLK · April 2009

http://twitter.com/feliciaday/status/1485047992

proXimity · April 2009

RIP Dollhouse...

area · April 2009

I would not want to be the guy who's behind @FoxBroadcasting right now.

rufo · April 2009

ElJeffe wrote: »

Hey, awesome, now we're done with Firefly, right? Aw, fuck no! Many people would murder a nun for a second season.

Does... could that work?

OremLK · April 2009

Also,
http://twitter.com/drhorrible/status/1485114046

OptimusZed · April 2009

OremLK wrote: »

Also,
http://twitter.com/drhorrible/status/1485114046

Man, if Whedon can focus the white hot beam that is his devoted fandom at FOX, it might catch Glenn Beck on fire.

Or get Dollhouse renewed. Either works for me.

PantsB · April 2009

OremLK wrote: »

http://twitter.com/feliciaday/status/1485047992

Updated here
http://twitter.com/feliciaday/status/1485408550

Thx all, to clarify seems like they'll air #12 as the finale and not air my ep #13 at all? So weird Ask @foxbroadcasting I guess?

She doesn't know any more than we do.

DeathPrawn · April 2009

rufo wrote: »

ElJeffe wrote: »

Hey, awesome, now we're done with Firefly, right? Aw, fuck no! Many people would murder a nun for a second season.

Does... could that work?

Only one way to find out...

OremLK · April 2009

From everything I'm hearing, this is indeed the same sort of thing as Buffy season 4, though--episode 12 wraps the season's story arc, and episode 13 is kind of a thoughtful coda to the thing, setting up the potential second season (not looking so potential now).

Edit: To clarify something, this is a bad sign, and it's been looking like cancellation for awhile now, but this doesn't push us up to 100% on the cancel-o-meter. More like 99.5%. It's possible FOX just didn't like the episode as a season finale, if it's a "Restless"-style epilogue.

PantsB · April 2009

OK now it is confirmed.

It's true. Dollhouse ep 13 isn't going to air. This makes @feliciaday sad. How do you feel? Why don't share those feelings with FOX?

http://twitter.com/drhorrible/status/1485114046

proXimity · April 2009

Ahaha... http://twitter.com/search?q=@FoxBroadcasting

DarkWarrior · April 2009

Quote for those of us who don't follow the Twitter fad and thus have a login?

End · April 2009

DarkWarrior wrote: »

Quote for those of us who don't follow the Twitter fad and thus have a login?

Since it's a search, I'm guessing it's the volume of results that's funny.

(I didn't actually bother logging in, since I don't remember my mostly unused login info, so it's just a guess.)

OremLK · April 2009

It's basically just a shitload of people all commenting on FoxBroadcasting's Twitter to complain about the episode not being aired.

rufo · April 2009

This link should work for folks without an account:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=to%3Afoxbroadcasting

EDIT: also, see http://search.twitter.com/search?q=Dollhouse

PantsB · April 2009

And if twitter didn't do it at the drop of a hat I'd say the complaints were bringing twitter down

ed
Apparently both sides are also somehow claiming this doesn't mean Dollhouse is canceled, which seems unlikely even from someone like me who wasn't willing to doomsay

Tomanta · April 2009

ElJeffe wrote: »

mcdermott wrote: »

EDIT: The episode order in the U.S., according to wikipedia, was 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 4, 5, 9, 10, 14, 1. With 11-13 unaired, and 1 being Serenity parts I and II combined.

You know, I knew this was the case, but I'd never seen it actually written out. It's so much more painful this way, like it's one of those "Predict what comes next in this series" riddles, and the answer is "Cancellation!"

What the episode order doesn't indicate is the number of weeks that it didn't air at all because of Baseball.

NailbunnyPD · April 2009

rufo wrote: »

This link should work for folks without an account:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=to%3Afoxbroadcasting

EDIT: also, see http://search.twitter.com/search?q=Dollhouse

I know twitter is brief comments, but do people really need to be so illiterate?

Spawnbroker · April 2009

I'm okay with illiterate people as long as they're outspoken for a cause I support

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We're pimps and killers, but in a philanthropic way. [Dollhouse, Whedon spoilers]

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