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What we need more of [Science dummy]

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  • HacksawHacksaw J Duggan Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    also I was wrong earlier when I said we get ethanol from the cellulose, it's from the sugar stored in the corn

    which brings up the fact that sugar cane is easier to raise, and easier to extract sugar from for producing ethanol than corn is

    corn is estimated (and it's considered a generous estimate, many claim it's under 1.0) that the energy returned on energy invested is only 1.34 for corn, but 8 for sugar cane (in other words, best case corn returns 34% more energy when used to produce ethanol, sugar cane produces 700% more)

    Brazil also produces a large amount of ethanol for mixing into their gasoline, only they grow sugar cane for their ethanol because they don't have a bloated corn lobby protecting their interests
    Too bad the corn lobby is stronger.

  • KhavallKhavall Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    why would corn be that much more profitable than anything else we could grow? the hypothetical situation you've presented makes no sense

    If we already have Corn crops being grown like crazy I can't imagine we could just switch over for free... the sunk costs of changing crops would need to be considered if we're going to put forwards better crops.


    I mean, what's the corn lobby fighting for even if it's more profitable, and better for the environment to grow other things as fuel, as long as enough farmers grow corn for the HFCS demand?
    what? are you fucking high?

    that makes no goddamn sense

    sure, different crops have different requirements but you're just being absurd here acting like there's some massive corn infrastructure that would need to be torn up to allow farmers to grow something else

    you do realize that many farmers change crops from time to time, right?

    So it wouldn't be a problem?

    There's a way to just answer the question... Yeah, I don't understand anything about farming.

    I'm wondering if it would be a problem. I guess there wouldn't be. So what is the corn lobby's argument against alternate crops? I'm just trying to understand the situation here. If there are better solution, why aren't we subsidizing them? If there's a problem switching to them... that'd make sense.

    I understand the idea of lobbyists going for causes that may not be in the best interest of everyone and the country because they have their own personal agenda, but I'm just trying to understand the situation here.

  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    Khavall wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    why would corn be that much more profitable than anything else we could grow? the hypothetical situation you've presented makes no sense

    If we already have Corn crops being grown like crazy I can't imagine we could just switch over for free... the sunk costs of changing crops would need to be considered if we're going to put forwards better crops.


    I mean, what's the corn lobby fighting for even if it's more profitable, and better for the environment to grow other things as fuel, as long as enough farmers grow corn for the HFCS demand?
    what? are you fucking high?

    that makes no goddamn sense

    sure, different crops have different requirements but you're just being absurd here acting like there's some massive corn infrastructure that would need to be torn up to allow farmers to grow something else

    you do realize that many farmers change crops from time to time, right?

    So it wouldn't be a problem?

    There's a way to just answer the question... Yeah, I don't understand anything about farming.

    I'm wondering if it would be a problem. I guess there wouldn't be. So what is the corn lobby's argument against alternate crops? I'm just trying to understand the situation here. If there are better solution, why aren't we subsidizing them? If there's a problem switching to them... that'd make sense.

    I understand the idea of lobbyists going for causes that may not be in the best interest of everyone and the country because they have their own personal agenda, but I'm just trying to understand the situation here.
    BECAUSE OTHER CROPS AREN'T CORN AND DON'T LINE THEIR POCKETS WITH SOLID GOLD COCAINE

    duh

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Khavall wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    why would corn be that much more profitable than anything else we could grow? the hypothetical situation you've presented makes no sense

    If we already have Corn crops being grown like crazy I can't imagine we could just switch over for free... the sunk costs of changing crops would need to be considered if we're going to put forwards better crops.


    I mean, what's the corn lobby fighting for even if it's more profitable, and better for the environment to grow other things as fuel, as long as enough farmers grow corn for the HFCS demand?
    what? are you fucking high?

    that makes no goddamn sense

    sure, different crops have different requirements but you're just being absurd here acting like there's some massive corn infrastructure that would need to be torn up to allow farmers to grow something else

    you do realize that many farmers change crops from time to time, right?

    So it wouldn't be a problem?

    There's a way to just answer the question... Yeah, I don't understand anything about farming.

    I'm wondering if it would be a problem. I guess there wouldn't be. So what is the corn lobby's argument against alternate crops? I'm just trying to understand the situation here. If there are better solution, why aren't we subsidizing them? If there's a problem switching to them... that'd make sense.

    I understand the idea of lobbyists going for causes that may not be in the best interest of everyone and the country because they have their own personal agenda, but I'm just trying to understand the situation here.

    We use HFCS in soda in America because it we are the only place in the world where it is cheaper to grow corn than sugar.

    Switching to a new crop and maintaining profitability would mean ditching your corn subsidies and getting congress to make new ones for another plant, which is difficult and risky, not to mention there are some places where you just plain can't grow the sugar and the people who own that land aren't giving up the subsidies no matter what.

    Plus it's makin us all fatties

  • Lost SalientLost Salient Z is for Zillah who drank too much ginRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    What on earth is a corn cozy?
    ok, you know that thing between your legs that bleeds roughly once a month?

    :|

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  • KhavallKhavall Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    why would corn be that much more profitable than anything else we could grow? the hypothetical situation you've presented makes no sense

    If we already have Corn crops being grown like crazy I can't imagine we could just switch over for free... the sunk costs of changing crops would need to be considered if we're going to put forwards better crops.


    I mean, what's the corn lobby fighting for even if it's more profitable, and better for the environment to grow other things as fuel, as long as enough farmers grow corn for the HFCS demand?
    what? are you fucking high?

    that makes no goddamn sense

    sure, different crops have different requirements but you're just being absurd here acting like there's some massive corn infrastructure that would need to be torn up to allow farmers to grow something else

    you do realize that many farmers change crops from time to time, right?

    So it wouldn't be a problem?

    There's a way to just answer the question... Yeah, I don't understand anything about farming.

    I'm wondering if it would be a problem. I guess there wouldn't be. So what is the corn lobby's argument against alternate crops? I'm just trying to understand the situation here. If there are better solution, why aren't we subsidizing them? If there's a problem switching to them... that'd make sense.

    I understand the idea of lobbyists going for causes that may not be in the best interest of everyone and the country because they have their own personal agenda, but I'm just trying to understand the situation here.

    We use HFCS in soda in America because it we are the only place in the world where it is cheaper to grow corn than sugar.

    Switching to a new crop and maintaining profitability would mean ditching your corn subsidies and getting congress to make new ones for another plant, which is difficult and risky, not to mention there are some places where you just plain can't grow the sugar and the people who own that land aren't giving up the subsidies no matter what.

    Plus it's makin us all fatties

    So, and correct me if I've got it wrong, but we subsidize corn because we already subsidize corn, despite the fact that there are biofuels that could be better served with another crop, and many corn farmers could switch over to sugar instead of HFCS's stupid monopoly on being in everything, but we would *gasp* need to pass something through congress to fix the retarded situation?


    The fuck is wrong with everyone.

  • BusterKBusterK Negativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Also everyone is getting paid mad dollar bills to make a lot of useless corn

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  • ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    so Amazon.com hates the gays, apparently

    they claim it is a "glitch" in the listing system which is being fixed as we speak

    so they have birthed an artificial intelligence within their site code, and it's a bigot :|

    Hey Monroe

    You know why everyone jumped down your throat for this post?

    Because leaping to an outlandish conclusion based on little to no evidence is the exact opposite of science.

    See?

  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    mexican soda owns qtiyd

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  • KhavallKhavall Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Butler wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    so Amazon.com hates the gays, apparently

    they claim it is a "glitch" in the listing system which is being fixed as we speak

    so they have birthed an artificial intelligence within their site code, and it's a bigot :|

    Hey Monroe

    You know why everyone jumped down your throat for this post?

    Because leaping to an outlandish conclusion based on little to no evidence is the exact opposite of science.

    See?
    Except that proves that it wasn't a random "glitch" like Amazon claimed and instead a specific and deliberate removal of LGBT books... it's just that the responsible agency was misplaced.

  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    i wish we used actual sugar in more products in the US. :\

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  • BusterKBusterK Negativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    mexican soda owns qtiyd

    There are some cane sugar sodas in the U.S.
    Hanson's for one

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2009
    what's bizarre to me is that Coca Cola still doesn't make Coke with sucrose in the states, even though plenty of it is being imported from Mexico. You'd think that would be an incentive to produce and sell it in the states for more than the hfcs versions, but less than the Mexican Coke

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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    passover coke also uses cane sugar

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  • WeaverWeaver Storm coming FinallyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm totally down with nuclear power plants everywhere and using the reprocessed remains of the spent fuel rods to power generations of NASA probes and landers.

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    Steam: weavermatic
  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    change all cities to producing beakers and just rush fusion power, hope that the egyptians don't invade

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  • ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Khavall wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    so Amazon.com hates the gays, apparently

    they claim it is a "glitch" in the listing system which is being fixed as we speak

    so they have birthed an artificial intelligence within their site code, and it's a bigot :|

    Hey Monroe

    You know why everyone jumped down your throat for this post?

    Because leaping to an outlandish conclusion based on little to no evidence is the exact opposite of science.

    See?
    Except that proves that it wasn't a random "glitch" like Amazon claimed and instead a specific and deliberate removal of LGBT books... it's just that the responsible agency was misplaced.

    ...

    Fuck.

    Okay, this is true. Monroe was right to be suspicious of Amazon's "glitch" story, though it wasn't a deliberate act on their part. Attach the boulder of shame.

  • WeaverWeaver Storm coming FinallyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    teefs pass the blunt man I'm running out of vodka here

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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    how did you know i was smoking :o

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  • WeaverWeaver Storm coming FinallyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I could smell from all the way over here

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  • HarrierHarrier Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Teefs aren't you always smoking these days

    I don't wanna kill anybody. I don't like bullies. I don't care where they're from.
  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    how did you know i was smoking :o

    90% of the time, if one were to guess, you would be smoking.

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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    weaver do you want to go to bolivia and hang out with evo morales

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  • WeaverWeaver Storm coming FinallyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Also I remain adamant that the only chance we have of colonizing another planet in our home system is to go "fuck Mars" and work on decreasing the atmospheric density of Venus by at least two-thirds and letting the massive bleed-off of core heat restart that planets dynamo effect.

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  • KhavallKhavall Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
  • WeaverWeaver Storm coming FinallyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Teefs I want to go live in a posh Swiss ski resort, bundled in rabbit, fox and wolf furs while sipping rum-spiked cocoa and having pale-skinned snow bunnies rubbing all up on me

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  • WeaverWeaver Storm coming FinallyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    by snow bunnies I mean SEXY LADIES

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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    that isn't nearly as rad as just chillin' with Evo

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  • WeaverWeaver Storm coming FinallyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    diablo III - beardsnbeer#1508 Mechwarrior Online - Rusty Bock
  • beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    canadian coke also uses cane sugar
    bombs and mully explained this to me when i almost barfed after taking a sip at some diner in seattle
    i thought maybe the pop machine was broken
    nope, just chock full of corn syrupy disgustingness

    how you guys drink that shit is beyond me.

  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    i didn't know you could time travel to 1997

    also lol white landowners in Bolivia

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  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    i didn't know you could time travel to 1997

    also lol white landowners in Bolivia

    those... other sort of folk can't be trusted with the responsibility.

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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    no, evo has made it a point to take the land out of white european's hands and put it into the hands of the bolivians

    its been working out absolutely wonderfully so far, actually

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  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    the birds that you shoot but can't eat are then given to the villagers

    it's win/win

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  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    where am i gonna go to build my dirty unsafe factories now!?

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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    also did you guys see the "top 99 most ethical corporations"

    nike shows up on it

    fucking nike

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  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    man what?

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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    http://ethisphere.com/how-nike-is-changing-the-world-one-factory-at-a-time/
    Although the company’s efforts are working, achieving sweeping changes is extremely difficult; it requires adjusting the mindsets of cultures that are thousands of years old.

    you know the last time this rehtoric was used

    do you

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  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    no.

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