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Fitness Thread IV: A New Hope

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    iostream wrote: »
    Is taking advil so casually a good thing?

    Enquiring minds would like to know.
    That depends: do you consider pain a bad thing?

    I mean, there are times when maybe you don't want to take a pain reliever for pain, especially if it's something you want to be careful not to aggravate. Muscle soreness, from working too much? Pop them like candy. No reason not to.

    I would really caution against taking any drug casually, it still has a long list of side effects and doesn't do your liver any favours.

    If you're regularly needing to take pain killers from training, you're probably doing something wrong.

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User
    the wook wrote: »
    Wow. I haven't read through T Nation before but this article plus the Neanderthal No More article and I'm a convert. :shock:

  • EntriechEntriech Registered User regular
    Rook wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    iostream wrote: »
    Is taking advil so casually a good thing?

    Enquiring minds would like to know.
    That depends: do you consider pain a bad thing?

    I mean, there are times when maybe you don't want to take a pain reliever for pain, especially if it's something you want to be careful not to aggravate. Muscle soreness, from working too much? Pop them like candy. No reason not to.

    I would really caution against taking any drug casually, it still has a long list of side effects and doesn't do your liver any favours.

    If you're regularly needing to take pain killers from training, you're probably doing something wrong.
    I've seen some bantering back and forth that ibuprofen can inhibit muscle protein synthesis when consumed at the highest over the counter level. There's been a number of studies indicating that, and also indicating that acetaminophen results in the same issue. On the other hand, I've seen at least one study cited that a 'normal' one time does of 400mg ibuprofen post-workout had no noticeable effects.

    Perhaps someone else has investigated further?

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  • brandotheninjamasterbrandotheninjamaster Registered User regular
    I ran 3 days last week (S,T,TH) and my shins are fucking killing me, I'm guessing it could be a myriad of things: muscle around that area being built, I'm a heavy motherfucker and the impact is getting to me or a combination of both. Anyone have any tips for getting around this pain? As much as I hate to admit it, running is the only thing keeping me motivated to pursue a healthy lifestyle, if I'm not able to do that then it would be a serious blow to my morale.

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Rook wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    iostream wrote: »
    Is taking advil so casually a good thing?

    Enquiring minds would like to know.
    That depends: do you consider pain a bad thing?

    I mean, there are times when maybe you don't want to take a pain reliever for pain, especially if it's something you want to be careful not to aggravate. Muscle soreness, from working too much? Pop them like candy. No reason not to.
    I would really caution against taking any drug casually, it still has a long list of side effects and doesn't do your liver any favours.

    If you're regularly needing to take pain killers from training, you're probably doing something wrong.
    As long as you're sticking to the recommended dosage, ibuprofen isn't going to hurt your liver. I mean, really, it's the drug you take when you're drinking to prevent headaches.

  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    I ran 3 days last week (S,T,TH) and my shins are fucking killing me, I'm guessing it could be a myriad of things: muscle around that area being built, I'm a heavy motherfucker and the impact is getting to me or a combination of both. Anyone have any tips for getting around this pain? As much as I hate to admit it, running is the only thing keeping me motivated to pursue a healthy lifestyle, if I'm not able to do that then it would be a serious blow to my morale.

    shin splints are common in new runners. They are common in regular runners too-- like if you jump up from once a week to two or three times a week. You probably land on your heal first then slowly(relatively obv.) lower the rest of your foot until it is in full contact with the ground. The shin muscles hold the front of your foot up while you're doing this-- putting enormous amounts of stress on them. It's not the wrong way to run, it's just that they went from virtually no work to lots of work and are super sore. Just need to let them rest, and then gradually increase running distance/intensity/amounts.

    There are exercises to help strengthen these muscles-- but other than those you just got to give them time to adjust to their new amount of work like any other muscle. Except these usually sting more.

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  • SelnerSelner Registered User
    I ran 3 days last week (S,T,TH) and my shins are fucking killing me,

    How old are your shoes? When my shins start hurting from running, that's my first sign that I need new shoes. As whenever I've gotten the shin splints pain stuff from running, a new pair of shoes clears it right up.

  • brandotheninjamasterbrandotheninjamaster Registered User regular
    mastman wrote: »
    I ran 3 days last week (S,T,TH) and my shins are fucking killing me, I'm guessing it could be a myriad of things: muscle around that area being built, I'm a heavy motherfucker and the impact is getting to me or a combination of both. Anyone have any tips for getting around this pain? As much as I hate to admit it, running is the only thing keeping me motivated to pursue a healthy lifestyle, if I'm not able to do that then it would be a serious blow to my morale.

    shin splints are common in new runners. They are common in regular runners too-- like if you jump up from once a week to two or three times a week. You probably land on your heal first then slowly(relatively obv.) lower the rest of your foot until it is in full contact with the ground. The shin muscles hold the front of your foot up while you're doing this-- putting enormous amounts of stress on them. It's not the wrong way to run, it's just that they went from virtually no work to lots of work and are super sore. Just need to let them rest, and then gradually increase running distance/intensity/amounts.

    There are exercises to help strengthen these muscles-- but other than those you just got to give them time to adjust to their new amount of work like any other muscle. Except these usually sting more.

    I had a feeling it had to deal with building muscle that wasn't really there before, I was unsure though because the pain was slightly different from the normal "burn" you get while working other muscles. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
    Selner wrote: »
    I ran 3 days last week (S,T,TH) and my shins are fucking killing me,

    How old are your shoes? When my shins start hurting from running, that's my first sign that I need new shoes. As whenever I've gotten the shin splints pain stuff from running, a new pair of shoes clears it right up.

    My shoes are about a year old, but before last week I only wore them on weekends and the only strenuous things I did was the occasional 4 mile walk. I probably could use some new ones though.

  • proXimityproXimity Registered User
    So I've decided to start doing pushups regularly. However, after just a couple, my right shoulder will start to make these slightly unsettling sounding and feeling popping noises as I push up. It doesn't really hurt, but it's not really comfortable. Is this bad or should I just ignore it?

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  • MPCanesMPCanes Registered User
    Yeah, so you all who keep saying to push through the pain while lifting -

    Totally fell over today doing squats. Legs gave out, mainly, the one that was extra sore. I was in control enough to not come anywhere close to hurting myself, but I did damage the drywall in my apartment, lolz.

    I did my benchpress and deadlift work sets fine, just the squat sets killed - and I'm not talking about huge weight here, I'm just some sort of pussy weak homo - 125 lb's caused me to bust my ass on squats (I started at 85 2 weeks ago today, and skipped work sets on Wednesday and Friday of last week so I should have been up to 145lbs by now according to starting strength).

    Oh well, gonna keep fighting, just going to do sissy 5 lb raises - no need to rush, anyways, thrilled with my results so far.

  • the wookthe wook Registered User regular
    Krikee wrote: »
    the wook wrote: »
    Wow. I haven't read through T Nation before but this article plus the Neanderthal No More article and I'm a convert. :shock:

    there's a lot of really good stuff there, but the signal-to-noise ratio is relatively low.

    grab your waders

  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    things written by CT (not tube, Christian Thibaudeau) seem to be pretty good
    i found the nutrition for newbies articles pretty helpful
    as well as his training for newbies

    those are good to read

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  • the wookthe wook Registered User regular
    imo the best section is the Body Repair section. a lot of it probably won't apply to any given person, but the hip and shoulder mobility articles (of which there are a lot) are good reads for anybody.

  • joshua1joshua1 Registered User
    hell yeah. my endurance is picking up so fast. I can't believe i was such a pussy. just did a 6km run and a 21.5km bike ride. Im going faster and further almost everyday.

    Im back up to 96kg, but i had a pretty crappy easter break eating and excercise wise, so thats to be expected.

    Talking about pushing through the pain though, its good advice. Today during my run, my calf started to really really hurt, and hurt more when I started to slow, so i maintained my speed and it eventually stopped hurting.

    im probably talking completely different things but i thought i would chime in.

  • KatholicKatholic Registered User
    proXimity wrote: »
    So I've decided to start doing pushups regularly. However, after just a couple, my right shoulder will start to make these slightly unsettling sounding and feeling popping noises as I push up. It doesn't really hurt, but it's not really comfortable. Is this bad or should I just ignore it?

    My shoulders start popping from overexercise(and some perma pops). As long as there is no pain you are in the clear. Stretching/general strengthening helps get rid of them. For strengthening don't forget to workout your rear delts + front+ side.

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  • #14#14 Registered User
    Hey guys. I don't post an awful lot here but i've found all the advice given in this thread of great value. I'd like to ask a question.

    I've been losing weight for about 1.5 years now. I went from 125 kilo's to 97. The last couple of weeks i've been losing the whopping amount of 2.5 a week and that seems like an awful lot to me. I've kept track of my calorie intake and realized that I've only been eating about 1500 calories every day for the last 2 months. Everything in the gym is going great. I do mostly cardio with a bit of rowing and pushups. I can go faster and stronger than ever and I feel fantastic. But still, 1500 calories is not enough and 2.5 kilo's a week is too much. I know how slow losing weight normally goes. For the past year I've been losing 1 a week if I was lucky. So am I burning muscle here or something? I've always been broad built and I look more "muscular" than ever.

    I never feel hungry at all and I eat a good breakfast, lunch and dinner and snack on some fruit throughout the day sometimes.Maybe a few beers in the weekend. So I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to up my calorie intake. Eat more Protein maybe?

    Thanks guys, and advice would be really appreciated.

    apotheos wrote: »
    I hear its opening on like 16 screens total. If you don't live in a gigantic US city you're fucked.

    Well except for the part where you don't have to deal with the soul crushing monotony of living in a gigantic US city.
  • joshua1joshua1 Registered User
    Worst case scenario, you could have cancer. While im sure you don't have cancer, rapid un-explained weight loss is one of the clinical signs.

    You could also have a myriad of other diseases.

    Or you could be pushing yourself too hard in gym, and you are burning your daily caloric intake and then some, so you are at negative intake for the day. Then you a probably burning off muscle.

    I would monitor it closely, and if it continues, i would talk to someone far more qualified than us.

  • #14#14 Registered User
    joshua1 wrote: »
    I would monitor it closely, and if it continues, i would talk to someone far more qualified than us.

    Yeah I will certainly do this. I don't really feel sick at all, I feel better then ever. It actually took a while to convince myself this was bad for me. That's how healthy and fit I'm feeling.

    apotheos wrote: »
    I hear its opening on like 16 screens total. If you don't live in a gigantic US city you're fucked.

    Well except for the part where you don't have to deal with the soul crushing monotony of living in a gigantic US city.
  • joshua1joshua1 Registered User
    Still, if you are still losing the weight that fast, even if you are feeling great, go see a doctor.

  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    Alright, I've consulted people and websites and I dunno, I can't get a straight answer out of this.

    There are two conflicting calorie rules and I don't know which one to break.

    1) The maximum calories a woman should have in a day is about 2000.

    2) You shouldn't try to lose more than 2 lbs a week (have a calorie deficit of more than 1000 a day).

    My current resting metabolism rate whatever is approximately 3500 calories. This is after I factor in sleep and various daytime activities. Which means I have to break one of these rules every day, and I'm not sure which. Right now I tend to hover between 1700-1900 calories eaten most days, which puts me at about a 1600-1800 deficit a day, about 3.5 pounds lost a week (which is staying even since I've lost around 10 pounds in 3 weeks).

    Is this maximum calorie count dependent on my weight or should I not break 2000 no matter what and continue to lose weight faster than recommended? Or is the 2lbs per week more important and at least for now I should eat more.

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    2lbs a week is more important, there is no "maximum" you're allowed

    how tall are you and how much do you weigh

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    look if you're losing weight then chill out, it's all going as planned. If you're a big ol' chubber you'll lose weight faster than 2lbs a week, it's to be expected

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  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    About 5'6.5" and roughly 380, so quite a lot.

    I know once I get down to 300 or so this dilemma will solve itself, but that's not going to be for a while.

    EDIT: I'm definitely losing weight, but I've lost quickly and gained it back and I'm really, really trying to do this in the most healthy way possible. Even if that means doing it slower.

    EDIT2: Also, man, that's opposite advice. I can't seem to get a definitive answer on this.

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    Yeah at that weight I wouldn't worry too much about losing a bit more than 2lbs a week.

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  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    Okay good, cause I'm going to try adding some weights to my workout instead of just cardio and man, I can't eat that much to compensate for it.

    Well, obviously I can. But I don't want to.

  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    yeah if you look at the people on biggest loser, weight is pouring off of them at first. granted, they are working out like 3-4 times a day, and drastically changing their diet. make sure to stick to your diet and your workout routine. you shouldn't see it come back unless you start to slip into old habits.

    you shouldn't need more than 2000 calories, just make them count. adding weights is good as this bumps your metabolism up for longer than straight cardio will. you'll still be burning calories after the workout if you do weights.

  • AsiinaAsiina Registered User regular
    Yeah, I'm pretty confident about my diet changes right now.

    FitDay has been the best site for me. I used to dread counting calories, but I really need it because I'm the kind of person who, when it comes time for dinner, I'll forget to take into account what I had at lunch.

    I'm still not eating the best food, but I'm budgeting better. I still need to get more protein in. I've realized my problem before is that probably 90% of my big meals contained potatoes and/or corn. That's been the biggest change for me. But it's been over a month of eating better with only the occasional "fuck this shit, I'm ordering in."

  • brandotheninjamasterbrandotheninjamaster Registered User regular
    I've read somewhere that muscular atrophy doesn't begin until about 12 days of inactivity, is that right? I mentioned in like a million posts last week that I started running, but so far this entire fucking week work has had me so busy that I haven't had time, and I don't want to start all over.

    Hectic Schedule:
    -Wake up at 6
    -Arrive at work at 8 (usually takes 90 mins)
    -Leave work at 6
    -Get home at 8
    -Make/eat dinner by 9
    -Shower
    -Bed

    My schedule fucking sucks right now but I'm hoping it clears by next week.

  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS
    My friend who has been going to the gym about as long as I have is getting much, much better results than I am. What am I doing wrong? I know I probably can not get too big since I am fairly small but my arms are tiny and I can not make them bigger. My chest is bigger or as big as his (looks bigger since I am so skinny) but my arms are about half the size of his. I can do 35 pound dumbell flies but only 145 bench press. I can only curl a 50 pound bar also, I think I need to make my arms bigger but this seems to be as big as they can get and they are not very large. I just look a little cut, not really big. Is that just the way my body is or is there something I can do to change that?

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    do you do much tricep work? my arms are pretty big, and it's like 75% tricep. i'm not an expert, but i'm pretty sure tris factor into your bench quite a bit as well.

    Also, if you are doing curls, you should be doing an equal amount of tricep stuff anyways.

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    Fizban140 wrote: »
    My friend who has been going to the gym about as long as I have is getting much, much better results than I am.

    Whining. Constantly.

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  • Folken FanelFolken Fanel J.2C When's KoFRegistered User regular
    Fizban140 wrote: »
    My friend who has been going to the gym about as long as I have is getting much, much better results than I am.

    Whining. Constantly.

    Haha awesome.

    I think more helpful, albeit less hilarious, advice would be to drop the curls in place of chin ups. Are squats and deadlifts a part of your routine? If you aren't doing the bench press/squat/deadlift trio in your weekly routine in some way you may as well not even bother. I'd probably include chin-up and shoulder press to those 3 exercises too.

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User
    Fizban140 wrote: »
    My friend who has been going to the gym about as long as I have is getting much, much better results than I am. What am I doing wrong? I know I probably can not get too big since I am fairly small but my arms are tiny and I can not make them bigger. My chest is bigger or as big as his (looks bigger since I am so skinny) but my arms are about half the size of his. I can do 35 pound dumbell flies but only 145 bench press. I can only curl a 50 pound bar also, I think I need to make my arms bigger but this seems to be as big as they can get and they are not very large. I just look a little cut, not really big. Is that just the way my body is or is there something I can do to change that?
    When you're working out with 145lbs on your bench and doing 35lbs for your flies I'm highly suspect of your form while doing flies. Additionally, don't be discouraged with your curling weight. Those big 280lb behemoths do 80lb dumb bells with 1 arm where as you're doing ~25 per arm: there is a reason their arms are the size of your quads. Your results are going to come better with form perfection. Cheating is ok to a point but you're not at the point in progression to where you should be worrying about that. At your level, you need to focus on not turning your curls into a mini-squat (upward swing) or delt exercise (backward swing).

    EDIT: Keep your elbows at your side and static! ie they do not move throughout the entire movement. I shake my head every time I see that stupid shit.

  • KatholicKatholic Registered User
    Fizban140 wrote: »
    My friend who has been going to the gym about as long as I have is getting much, much better results than I am.

    Whining. Constantly.

    Haha awesome.

    I think more helpful, albeit less hilarious, advice would be to drop the curls in place of chin ups. Are squats and deadlifts a part of your routine? If you aren't doing the bench press/squat/deadlift trio in your weekly routine in some way you may as well not even bother. I'd probably include chin-up and shoulder press to those 3 exercises too.

    Also do dips and more tricep work.

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  • msh1283msh1283 Registered User regular
    Let me tell you what the best thing in the world is.

    Going 6 months without being to do any kind of meaningful lifting due to a metal plate in your shoulder from a massive AC joint separation. Then getting the plate taken out and getting your first real, good workout in. Bent over rows have never, ever felt so good.

  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS
    I have been doing the Mk4 or the other workouts posted here, all of them include bench, squats and deadlift. I haven't been doing the deadlift for a while because of my back but I am thinking of starting it again but with a lot lower weight. I was only doing about 200 before but that was either too much or my form was bad.

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  • King KongKing Kong Registered User
    So I'm a big fatty and decided to drop some weight. My first issue was the soda and I have gone a month without it, I now drink tea or water (mind you I used to drink at least a 12 pack of dew a day if not more). I feel better and have decided to start losing weight in a more serious way. I have switched a lot of my diet around, I've always known what I need to do to lose weight but just never did it. My question come to this.

    A buddy of mine takes Hydroxycut and swears by it. I'm not looking for a miracle but they way he describes it it would help me a lot just basically helping me lose weight faster. I'm 6'2 and about 330ish if that matters (Yes I know I'm a huge fatty).

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