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The Dark Spire [DS] - out now! buy it!

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Ooh, this is out already? Added to my Goozex queue. Although it's pretty niche, I figure the exceptional high difficulty level will convince a good number of people into trading it away before too long.

  • RedMageDarionRedMageDarion Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Ok, I am officially stuck. Anyone at the end of the second/beginning of the third floor yet?

    Specifically
    Spoiler:
    Octobot wrote: »
    my copy still hasnt come to the EB i pre-ordered it at:\ one quick question for those lucky enough to have it, are there random loot drops? or is most of the equipment store bought?
    You buy all your starting equipment at the shop. Unless more items show up there, I'm assuming you find the rest as drops (or perhaps shops in the tower?) I've already found one weapon from an enemy that I could not buy at the shop.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    You don't level up automatically. Instead you accumulate EP that you can spend on raising your class levels.
    This EP can be spent on any class provided you have the minimum stats for the class. You can also spend this EP on extra skills that are to the point like "Healthy Lifestyle" that makes you stronger against status effects to Painting which at this point I am clueless on what it actually does. You can also spend EP on raising your attributes but that looks to be prohibitively expensive at this point. I speculate that any "power build" in this game is going to rely heavily on making sure everyone can be a warrior first and then there preferred class as you only seem to get extra hit points on your highest class.

    Are there skills you pick up that directly affect combat? I'm constantly seeing comparisons to Wizardry but they seem to neglect the fact that Wizardry had a really complex set of skills and abilities that affected combat (ie, samurai and ninja with their critical strike skill, speed and agility eventually granting multiple attacks, etc.)

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Shit looks like I'm going to just pick this up on Amazon.com... I don't want to go to Gamestop to buy this and chances are they won't even have it.

    Games completed recently: Dragon's Crown, Knights of Pen and Paper, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (20th time), Defender's Quest, The Witcher
  • Blood DriveBlood Drive Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    You don't level up automatically. Instead you accumulate EP that you can spend on raising your class levels.
    This EP can be spent on any class provided you have the minimum stats for the class. You can also spend this EP on extra skills that are to the point like "Healthy Lifestyle" that makes you stronger against status effects to Painting which at this point I am clueless on what it actually does. You can also spend EP on raising your attributes but that looks to be prohibitively expensive at this point. I speculate that any "power build" in this game is going to rely heavily on making sure everyone can be a warrior first and then there preferred class as you only seem to get extra hit points on your highest class.

    Are there skills you pick up that directly affect combat? I'm constantly seeing comparisons to Wizardry but they seem to neglect the fact that Wizardry had a really complex set of skills and abilities that affected combat (ie, samurai and ninja with their critical strike skill, speed and agility eventually granting multiple attacks, etc.)

    So far the only one that seems to directly effect combat is the healthy lifestyle option. Being a thief you actually get lock picking and disarm traps as skills you can purchase. I don't know if those augment your existing skills though or allow you to use them if your not strictly a thief. There are some that read like Ancient Languages that seem like they may be useful later on in deciphering items, or some that seem like they would help identify monsters easier. But some like "arts and crafts" have yet to show any use anywhere.

  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I just spent about 40 minutes making a party (i'm obsessive with randomly generated stats) only to realize that dwarves are always lawful and thus can't be in a party with my chaotic characters...NOOOOOOOOOOO!D:

    edit: I also think that the lock pick and disarm skills must augment skills since they only show up i fyou have a level in thief

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  • ArtereisArtereis Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Amazon managed to get my preorder to me today. Excitement is commencing.

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  • DebaserZbsDebaserZbs Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Ok, I am officially stuck. Anyone at the end of the second/beginning of the third floor yet?

    Specifically
    Spoiler:

    .

    Copypasta from Gamefaqs, complete with spelling errors:
    Spoiler:

    Also, could you help me out? I have two questions for you since you're certainly further than me:
    Spoiler:

    I'm finding this game far more difficult than Etrian Odyssey just because everything is so unfriendly. Between unlisted weapon stats, puzzles and quests you can screw up without even being notified, and slow character progression. I'm still enjoying it, but the game is certainly putting me in my place.

    Also, those weird secondary skills like "arts and crafts" and "knitting" boggle my mind. o_O

  • Blood DriveBlood Drive Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I just started experiencing the hate that is 1 hitpoint on a level up. All 4 of my characters on trying to get to level 4 will consistently only roll 1 hp. Im beginning to think the game wants to even out hit points and is forcing this behavior. Its certainly maddening.

  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    the what I assume are first floor quests are killing me. i've spent 1 hour+ hitting X at every possible wall over and over to try and find the graffiti i'm supposed to erase with no luck, i've found secret doors, treasure rooms, correctly spelled graffiti etc. BUT NOT THE STUFF I"M SUPPOSED TO ERASE ARGH ARGH ARGH
    Spoiler:
    on the plus side due to all this wandering my characters are all halfway through level 3 and outfitted very well (battleaxes,flails and longbows + plate and chainmail armor)

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Just reading that makes me NEED this game so much more.

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  • RedMageDarionRedMageDarion Registered User
    edited April 2009
    DebaserZbs wrote: »
    Also, could you help me out? I have two questions for you since you're certainly further than me:
    Spoiler:
    I actually made it to the third floor finally. I was missing a key from an area I completely missed.
    Spoiler:

    Also, rerolling for HP sucks. I don't get what the deal is. :(

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  • DebaserZbsDebaserZbs Registered User
    edited April 2009
    the what I assume are first floor quests are killing me. i've spent 1 hour+ hitting X at every possible wall over and over to try and find the graffiti i'm supposed to erase with no luck, i've found secret doors, treasure rooms, correctly spelled graffiti etc. BUT NOT THE STUFF I"M SUPPOSED TO ERASE ARGH ARGH ARGH
    Spoiler:
    on the plus side due to all this wandering my characters are all halfway through level 3 and outfitted very well (battleaxes,flails and longbows + plate and chainmail armor)

    The answers:
    Spoiler:

    Now could someone please tell me where I am supposed to go on floor 2? I've found the gambling parlor and the pitch black hallway, but I can seem to progress.

  • RedMageDarionRedMageDarion Registered User
    edited April 2009
    the what I assume are first floor quests are killing me. i've spent 1 hour+ hitting X at every possible wall over and over to try and find the graffiti i'm supposed to erase with no luck, i've found secret doors, treasure rooms, correctly spelled graffiti etc. BUT NOT THE STUFF I"M SUPPOSED TO ERASE ARGH ARGH ARGH
    Spoiler:
    on the plus side due to all this wandering my characters are all halfway through level 3 and outfitted very well (battleaxes,flails and longbows + plate and chainmail armor)
    Finding the graffiti was such a pain:
    Spoiler:
    DebaserZbs wrote: »
    Now could someone please tell me where I am supposed to go on floor 2? I've found the gambling parlor and the pitch black hallway, but I can seem to progress.
    Spoiler:

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Fuck. This game sound so fantastic... I hate you all.

    Games completed recently: Dragon's Crown, Knights of Pen and Paper, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (20th time), Defender's Quest, The Witcher
  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I'm tempted to purchase. I loved Wizardry 8 and EO2, I was going to pass on this but it sounds like its a high-quality homage to graph paper RPGs.

    I remember having my rogue sneak attack Tarjan The Mad God and instantly kill him. A game where "99% chance to instantly kill an opponent" was a feature for multiple classes, and still wasn't actually that useful for most of the game. Good times.

    I'll probably pick it up at lunch and play it over the weekend.

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  • DebaserZbsDebaserZbs Registered User
    edited April 2009
    the what I assume are first floor quests are killing me. i've spent 1 hour+ hitting X at every possible wall over and over to try and find the graffiti i'm supposed to erase with no luck, i've found secret doors, treasure rooms, correctly spelled graffiti etc. BUT NOT THE STUFF I"M SUPPOSED TO ERASE ARGH ARGH ARGH
    Spoiler:
    on the plus side due to all this wandering my characters are all halfway through level 3 and outfitted very well (battleaxes,flails and longbows + plate and chainmail armor)
    DebaserZbs wrote: »
    Now could someone please tell me where I am supposed to go on floor 2? I've found the gambling parlor and the pitch black hallway, but I can seem to progress.
    Spoiler:

    Wow. I was all over that area and must have totally missed it. Thanks a bunch!

  • TheLawinatorTheLawinator Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This is going to sound really stupid but, how do you save?

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  • Blood DriveBlood Drive Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Wana know how to change alignment for neutrals?
    :
    Spoiler:

  • elevatureelevature Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This game apparently doesn't exist in Canada. I'm not impressed.

  • Blood DriveBlood Drive Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This is going to sound really stupid but, how do you save?

    Just hit start when your not in a shop or battle, you'll have the options there.

  • TheLawinatorTheLawinator Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    This is going to sound really stupid but, how do you save?

    Just hit start when your not in a shop or battle, you'll have the options there.

    Thanks, really stupid.

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  • Blood DriveBlood Drive Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    elevature wrote: »
    This game apparently doesn't exist in Canada. I'm not impressed.

    D: sorry?

  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Holy mother of shit this game is fantastic. The music is incredible... I love the fights. I love everything about it. Top 3 DS game for me already and I'm only level 1 :)

    Games completed recently: Dragon's Crown, Knights of Pen and Paper, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (20th time), Defender's Quest, The Witcher
  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    so another early quest question
    Spoiler:

    and onto impressions...i dunno, i'm about 5 hours in and i'm still not sure if I like it or not =0. It may be a bit too retro for me, I love Etrian Odyssey 1&2 but this kicks it up a notch and may be a bit too much for me. But I am only on the 2nd floor with no advanced classes yet so its probably far too early to call it one way or another

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  • grrarggrrarg Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Any word on how the secondary classes work yet? There's shockingly little information about this game, considering it has been out in Japan for quite a while. I think I will wait for more impressions from you guys before getting it.

    If you play a game and then are able to spend pages debating with someone on the actions of a faction within that game you probably just played a pretty sweet game.
  • DebaserZbsDebaserZbs Registered User
    edited April 2009
    so another early quest question
    Spoiler:

    One of the secondary skills thieves can learn is "gambling," so you may want to pick that up. I'm not sure how much it will help, but it can't hurt.

    And I think I found the staircase I was looking for. There was a whole bunch of doors I completely missed when visiting the Lovely Room on floor one. o_O

  • elevatureelevature Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    elevature wrote: »
    This game apparently doesn't exist in Canada. I'm not impressed.

    D: sorry?

    I checked several stores and couldn't find it anywhere, but apparently it comes out here next tuesday, which explains things. I don't often preorder, but I think I will in this case to make sure I get one.

  • ArtereisArtereis Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Anyone know the ramifications of breaking the doll?

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  • RandomKitRandomKit Registered User
    edited April 2009
    DebaserZbs wrote: »
    so another early quest question
    Spoiler:

    One of the secondary skills thieves can learn is "gambling," so you may want to pick that up. I'm not sure how much it will help, but it can't hurt.

    And I think I found the staircase I was looking for. There was a whole bunch of doors I completely missed when visiting the Lovely Room on floor one. o_O

    Anyone can learn gambling but it seems you need a high charisma for it.

  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    RandomKit wrote: »
    DebaserZbs wrote: »
    so another early quest question
    Spoiler:

    One of the secondary skills thieves can learn is "gambling," so you may want to pick that up. I'm not sure how much it will help, but it can't hurt.

    And I think I found the staircase I was looking for. There was a whole bunch of doors I completely missed when visiting the Lovely Room on floor one. o_O

    Anyone can learn gambling but it seems you need a high charisma for it.
    *looks at his party whose most beautiful member has a charisma of 10* uh oh...

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  • DebaserZbsDebaserZbs Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Ah, crap! I just learned something and felt I needed you share it with you guys. I apologize if some/all of you already know this. (basic combat spoiler)
    Spoiler:

    I'm hoping this info is useful to someone. This game seems to get deeper as I progress through it and quite frankly I'm curious to see what I will encounter as I'm only on hour 4.

    Also:
    Artereis wrote: »
    Anyone know the ramifications of breaking the doll?

    The only thing I think it does is screw you out of getting
    Spoiler:
    and being able to complete that quest.

  • RedMageDarionRedMageDarion Registered User
    edited April 2009
    DebaserZbs wrote: »
    Artereis wrote: »
    Anyone know the ramifications of breaking the doll?

    The only thing I think it does is screw you out of getting
    Spoiler:
    and being able to complete that quest.
    Specifically, stealing the doll will screw you over (at least I think it will). Do as the note says and break it
    DebaserZbs wrote: »
    Ah, crap! I just learned something and felt I needed you share it with you guys. I apologize if some/all of you already know this. (basic combat spoiler)
    Spoiler:

    I'm hoping this info is useful to someone. This game seems to get deeper as I progress through it and quite frankly I'm curious to see what I will encounter as I'm only on hour 4.
    A couple of notes on these sub-actions:

    The weapon you're equipped with is the big thing for the Attack sub-commands (knives tend to have Swift/Precision attack, things like Battleaxe have Lunge/Rage/Power attack). You need to have at least one level in Warrior or Thief to access these I believe, as I gave my Priest a level in Warrior and he could suddenly use Power attack with his Quarterstaff.

    Warriors have Counter as a Defend sub-command, Thieves have Counter and Hide.

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  • RandomKitRandomKit Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Does anyone know where to take the heirloom after I get it from the gambling place?

  • Masamune42Masamune42 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Oh, man, I *LOVED* EO2 and now this comes around. Gotta finish DQIV and Chrono Trigger first... damn it...

  • RedMageDarionRedMageDarion Registered User
    edited April 2009
    RandomKit wrote: »
    Does anyone know where to take the heirloom after I get it from the gambling place?
    Spoiler:

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  • RandomKitRandomKit Registered User
    edited April 2009
    RandomKit wrote: »
    Does anyone know where to take the heirloom after I get it from the gambling place?
    Spoiler:

    Awesome thank you. Also sorry to bother again but could you expand on the graffiti thing? I went into the first room on the first floor but I can't find anything : \. NEVERMIND FOUND IT WOO.

  • RedMageDarionRedMageDarion Registered User
    edited April 2009
    RandomKit wrote: »
    RandomKit wrote: »
    Does anyone know where to take the heirloom after I get it from the gambling place?
    Spoiler:

    Awesome thank you. Also sorry to bother again but could you expand on the graffiti thing? I went into the first room on the first floor but I can't find anything : \.
    Sorry, I couldn't quite remember where it was, lemme get some coordinates
    Spoiler:

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  • Blood DriveBlood Drive Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    It might be a hive of scum and villainy but someone at gamefaqs has come through with some leveling information.

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=945038&topic=49124457

    pertinant things.
    you can level to 99 in all classes on one character
    Your highest level class counts as your "main" class.
    The HP is totally random, but is tied to a rng, supposedly you can go to the tower, get in a fight and that will change the rng. Or you can save the game and load it.

    Other tidbits are on the link.

  • RedMageDarionRedMageDarion Registered User
    edited April 2009
    It might be a hive of scum and villainy but someone at gamefaqs has come through with some leveling information.

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=945038&topic=49124457

    pertinant things.
    you can level to 99 in all classes on one character
    Your highest level class counts as your "main" class.
    The HP is totally random, but is tied to a rng, supposedly you can go to the tower, get in a fight and that will change the rng. Or you can save the game and load it.

    Other tidbits are on the link.
    Haha I was just looking at that!

    I seriously don't understand what they are trying to accomplish by making 1 HP level-ups so common. It seems a little ridiculous. :|

    If I hadn't saved and reloaded every level, my Warrior would probably have like 15 HP at level 8.

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