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  • Re: CDC Projects 40% of Americans Will Develop Diabetes; What Do We Do About It?

    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I was reading an article about cultural appropriation and found that the same website had several articles about "fat acceptance", which as I've mentioned before I have seen advocated with surprising frequency on many feminist websites.

    Everyday Feminism: Six Things I Understand About the Fat Acceptance Movement

    Thoughts?

    There's a lot of sense in that article, but some of it seems reactionary to the point of being dismissive. Yes, "weight cycling" is a bad thing. But people who endorse dieting are doing it largely because they believe that's the route to health. That they're mistaken does not make them malicious.

    Also, her assertion that it's nobody's business how unhealthy other people are is incredibly fucking daft. Yes, you should care if the rest of the country is eating themselves to death. Even if only from the selfish perspective that everyone else being unhealthy literally costs you money, it's still a valid concern.

    I do wonder what percentage of obese people are actually totally healthy. Her article seems to want to think that most of them are so shut up. Whereas I see obesity in general as a pretty blatant indicator that our country is doing something very wrong, and that we should collectively be trying to fix it. If we were all engaging in healthier lifestyles, there would be less obesity.
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  • Re: CDC Projects 40% of Americans Will Develop Diabetes; What Do We Do About It?

    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    What just took place in the posts between this and my last one is why I don't think industry regulation with any meaningful reform will improve our nutrition. This forum of generally smart and open minded people expressed literally every opinion on the spectrum of soda with absolutely no consensus on even what the facts are.

    I'm not really seeing this. There's disagreement over the precise impact of artificial sweeteners, for example, and whether sugar has the exact same effects as corn syrup, but pretty much everyone agrees that regular soda is fucking terrible for you. There's argument about the best diet, but everyone agrees that eating fast food every meal is a horrible idea. There's argument about how best to lose weight, but nobody disagrees that exercise us a great idea.

    There's absolutely enough agreement to allow for programs that can incentivize healthy eating, exercise, and a reduction in shitty junk food. Once we get some of these broader programs up and running, maybe we can stay to worry about sugar soda versus corn syrup soda.
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  • Re: CDC Projects 40% of Americans Will Develop Diabetes; What Do We Do About It?

    I'm skeptical of how much the price of soda would be affected by ending subsidies, though:
    HFCS’s market success may be at least partly a result of two complementary government policies. Farm subsidies may reduce its cost, and tariffs plus quota restrictions on imports of foreign sugar make it a better buy than alternatives. But even eliminating farm subsidies entirely wouldn’t affect how much soda pop people drink, how many cupcakes they snack on, or even how much meat they eat, says Bruce Babcock, an economics professor at Iowa State University.

    “We did an analysis that showed that if corn and soybeans were not subsidized, the price would rise at most by between five and seven percent,” Babcock explains. According to the unpublished analysis, which Babcock performed in June 2004 for the National Corn Growers Association, that much of an increase in the price of corn wouldn’t affect the price of HFCS because most of its cost is in manufacturing rather than raw materials, he says; it would affect other products, although again not by much. “A five- to seven-percent increase in the price of corn would lead to, at most, a one-percent increase in the price of meat,” says Babcock. “But meat consumption doesn’t respond dramatically to price. So what that would do is reduce consumption by point-three percent.”

    If there was really that huge a difference, Pepsi wouldn't be selling Throwback Pepsi made with sugar for the same price as regular HFCS soda. Whether they continued to use HFCS, or whether they switched to sugar, it would still be the same approximate price and would still be unhealthy as shit. I mean, yes, fuck the subsidies, but that's not going to do much about the nation's soda problem. If we want to exert economic pressure on consumers to not drink as much, we need to go with some kind of soda tax. It'd also make it politically viable to start up some kind of Eat Better You Fuckers program with the tax dollars gained, since it would make the whole endeavor revenue neutral.
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  • Re: CDC Projects 40% of Americans Will Develop Diabetes; What Do We Do About It?

    Derrick wrote: »
    I can't understand people drinking diet soda. Can you not taste the artificial sweetener? It's about as appetizing to me as chugging gasoline. If you like diet soda, please try seltzer water. It's got that great carbonized feel, and you get different flavors. But it's basically just carbonized water.

    I used to think that I liked soda. Not really. It's the carbonization+being ice cold.

    You develop a taste for artificial sweeteners pretty quickly, and the sweetness it's pleasant. I have never been able to develop a taste for unflavored carbonated water, though. It's just kind of weird.
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  • Re: A Fucking Thread About the 2016 Elections, Seriously, What the Hell, I Don't Even

    Eh, Hillary would at least be far to the left of any plausible GOP candidate. Fencingsax has a point, though, in that any substantial differences in Hillary's vs <MagicNewObama>'s policy goals might not translate into any practical difference in outcome.

    I mean, if Hillary wins, I'm not going to be outraged. Just not enthused.
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