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Old 11-03-2009, 04:30 PM
Do you have any of the lease papers? It should outline notice to enter rules as well as lease expiration and if and how the month-to-month works thereafter.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:30 PM
Man, reading through your initial posts, it kind of sounds like she was in there snooping around. I doubt a maint. guy would say anything unless the place was ridiculously trashed and gross, because why would he care otherwise? Is it gross in there? I definitely would get something in writing or modified into the lease so that you are notified when someone will be in your place. You don't have to phrase it negatively to her either, just to point out for the safety of your stuff concerns you, and it's something you would appreciate or whatever.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:49 PM
yeah its pretty gross. dishes have been in the sink for a few weeks and got moldy. mud all over kitchen floor from my work boots the other night. she has a right to be mad about the mess. i just dont like how she saw it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:24 PM
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You have a lease, most likely. It's the same you had at the beginning. Usually what happens if you don't renew it is it becomes month-to-month, but all other terms stay the same. There is no way you literally have no lease.
Yeah, first off, take a look at that lease that you had. Mine specifically states that if neither party gives 30 days' notice of ending the lease before its end, it continues month-to-month. All the same conditions continue to apply.

Generally the lease will say some useful things about who can enter the apartment under what conditions.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:39 PM
Letting the lease lapse and having no official lease means you are a tenant-at-will. You still live there as there is a quasi-contract more or less.

But this does mean that the landlord can kick you out anytime she wants. Fix this
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:50 PM
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Letting the lease lapse and having no official lease means you are a tenant-at-will. You still live there as there is a quasi-contract more or less.

But this does mean that the landlord can kick you out anytime she wants. Fix this
Okay, everyone saying shit like this needs to shut the fuck up unless they're going to start citing Pennsylvania landlord-tenant law. Because in most places, this isn't the case. Odds are, the OP is considered to be on a month-to-month lease.

Grimm, this is pretty obviously not the most above-board of arrangements. You need to examine whether or not your landlady sending people into your apartment and complaining about the mess is worth the price you're paying, the quality of the place, and the complete lack of security. I'm not going to say what everyone else is saying and that you need to get a written lease, start paying in checks, or whatever; shit like that is probably a good way to ruin what sounds like is a good thing going for you. But you do need to keep in mind that your ass is hanging out, and if she decides to fuck you, you're probably going to get screwed.

That being said, clean your goddamn house; if I were your landlord, I'd probably be concerned about health inspectors condemning the place, from the sounds of it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 10:11 PM
Go over there and apologise about the mess.

While you are there tell her that you let the place go and that was a particularly bad time when the guy came by. And because of that if she wants to schedule more regular rent inspections she is welcome to. Tell her though that you would next time like notice when her or someone is coming onto the property because you are paranoid and would like to put away money/laptop/drugs/hookers.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:14 AM
I already apologized over the phone yesterday when she called. I told i understood why she was mad and she had every right to be. I also explained that i have been working 7 days a week and usually 12 hours or more a day so i didn't get around to cleaning lately. And that i plan on fixing the problem this weekend when i get home. I just let the whole issue of this guy being there in the first place go for now. I really didn't want to get into an argument with her when im over an hour away and on a 15 minute class break. Im just trying to figure out if there is something in the law that says i should have been informed about this since i really don't think there was anything in the old lease about it.
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Old 11-04-2009, 06:38 AM
As has already been mentioned above, look at your original lease agreement.

Oh, and make sure you have renter's insurance for things like this.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:36 AM
It sounds like you've had it made, and if it were me, I wouldn't spoil a good thing.

Like the last guy said, get renter's insurance, it costs next to nothing anyway. Take pictures or record vids of your valuables for the insurance, and if you do it on a regular basis, it will help prove you reside there.

Since you have a friendship with the owner keep her place looking better, but I would ask that she give me a notice next time so I can put the valuables out of sight.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:41 PM
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I already apologized over the phone yesterday when she called. I told i understood why she was mad and she had every right to be. I also explained that i have been working 7 days a week and usually 12 hours or more a day so i didn't get around to cleaning lately. And that i plan on fixing the problem this weekend when i get home. I just let the whole issue of this guy being there in the first place go for now. I really didn't want to get into an argument with her when im over an hour away and on a 15 minute class break. Im just trying to figure out if there is something in the law that says i should have been informed about this since i really don't think there was anything in the old lease about it.
1) You have probably no rights whatsoever to when and how she enters that place. She can do whatever she likes, it's her property. And technically you probably aren't living there in the eyes of the law (save in form of verbal agreement, which would be hard to back up without a payment history).

2) You have no contract for living there. You have no real proof of rental history thanks to paying in cash. All of your possessions, unless you have some sort of proof of ownership, could also be seen as hers as they are on her property. This is a super bad place to be in.

3) Dishes take, maybe, 10 minutes per day for a single guy (assuming you are through and doing them by hand). Man up and keep the place clean if you don't want to be evicted/totally screwed over.

4) Not screwing up a good thing is all well and good considering the perks, but when she decides that you are a liability you will have no say so when she can, and likely will, take you for everything she can. The fact she hasn't kept you to any sort of contract to protect herself (much less you) leads me to believe she is involved in more than a few nefarious schemes concerning taxes that are worth more than protecting her home investment. As soon as that changes, what would prevent her from using those same less than stellar morals to pawn your possessions and leave you with nothing?

5) Pay her in checks from now on, or in direct deposits to her account (receiving a digital receipt), or in certified checks that you get a receipt for. If she refuses this form, she's up to something.
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:55 PM
Thanks everyone for the advice but I think this thread is getting a little off track. I just want to know if there is law that would require the landlord to inform you before entering the house.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:01 PM
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Thanks everyone for the advice but I think this thread is getting a little off track. I just want to know if there is law that would require the landlord to inform you before entering the house.
Short answer: check the original lease.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:13 PM
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Thanks everyone for the advice but I think this thread is getting a little off track. I just want to know if there is law that would require the landlord to inform you before entering the house.
Short answer: check the original lease.
But that would have nothing to do with the law. Even if its not in lease, it could still be illegal.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:14 PM
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Thanks everyone for the advice but I think this thread is getting a little off track. I just want to know if there is law that would require the landlord to inform you before entering the house.
Short answer: check the original lease.
But that would have nothing to do with the law. Even if its not in lease, it could still be illegal.
Check with a local tenant's rights group. Really, though, your best bet is probably just to ask her to give you notice in the future. Like I said, this arrangement doesn't seem entirely above-board, anyhow.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:23 PM
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Thanks everyone for the advice but I think this thread is getting a little off track. I just want to know if there is law that would require the landlord to inform you before entering the house.
Short answer: check the original lease.
But that would have nothing to do with the law. Even if its not in lease, it could still be illegal.
I thought it was already covered earlier that there's no specific law in his state addressing the issue? Anyway, why make things more complicated than necessary? Every lease I've ever had contained a term addressing when repairmen could enter the premises. If he could just dig his lease out and see what it says then it would save him a lot of trouble.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:34 PM
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Thanks everyone for the advice but I think this thread is getting a little off track. I just want to know if there is law that would require the landlord to inform you before entering the house.
Short answer: check the original lease.
But that would have nothing to do with the law. Even if its not in lease, it could still be illegal.
I thought it was already covered earlier that there's no specific law in his state addressing the issue? Anyway, why make things more complicated than necessary? Every lease I've ever had contained a term addressing when repairmen could enter the premises. If he could just dig his lease out and see what it says then it would save him a lot of trouble.
I thought we had a bunch of people stating what they thought to be law but with nothing for sure. I'll go back and reread the thread to make sure i didn't miss something though. I'm not trying to make things complicated with the landlord. I just want to know all the facts before i talk to her. Its not like im planning on threatening to sue her or anything. If there is such a law and she doesn't agree to give me advanced notice next time, i would like to be able to nicely remind her of it.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:38 PM
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Thanks everyone for the advice but I think this thread is getting a little off track. I just want to know if there is law that would require the landlord to inform you before entering the house.
Short answer: check the original lease.
But that would have nothing to do with the law. Even if its not in lease, it could still be illegal.
I thought it was already covered earlier that there's no specific law in his state addressing the issue? Anyway, why make things more complicated than necessary? Every lease I've ever had contained a term addressing when repairmen could enter the premises. If he could just dig his lease out and see what it says then it would save him a lot of trouble.
I thought we had a bunch of people stating what they thought to be law but with nothing for sure. I'll go back and reread the thread to make sure i didn't miss something though. I'm not trying to make things complicated with the landlord. I just want to know all the facts before i talk to her. Its not like im planning on threatening to sue her or anything. If there is such a law and she doesn't agree to give me advanced notice next time, i would like to be able to nicely remind her of it.
Don't you have a copy of the lease or something. Chances are pretty good that reading the lease will solve about 99% of your problems.
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:44 PM
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Thanks everyone for the advice but I think this thread is getting a little off track. I just want to know if there is law that would require the landlord to inform you before entering the house.
Short answer: check the original lease.
But that would have nothing to do with the law. Even if its not in lease, it could still be illegal.
I thought it was already covered earlier that there's no specific law in his state addressing the issue? Anyway, why make things more complicated than necessary? Every lease I've ever had contained a term addressing when repairmen could enter the premises. If he could just dig his lease out and see what it says then it would save him a lot of trouble.
I thought we had a bunch of people stating what they thought to be law but with nothing for sure. I'll go back and reread the thread to make sure i didn't miss something though. I'm not trying to make things complicated with the landlord. I just want to know all the facts before i talk to her. Its not like im planning on threatening to sue her or anything. If there is such a law and she doesn't agree to give me advanced notice next time, i would like to be able to nicely remind her of it.
Don't you have a copy of the lease or something. Chances are pretty good that reading the lease will solve about 99% of your problems.
No i do not have a copy of the lease. I'm out of town for the week and my copy of the lease would be at home. Either way, im not asking about the lease. i simply want to know if there is a law.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:59 PM
I thought we already determined that on a cursory review the PA landlord tenant law does not cover this and it is specified in individual leases? The only place you're going to find this information is in the law which I posted on the first page.

Here's my states law for reference of what it should look like, if it exists in PA.

quote:
Access; consent.
The tenant shall not unreasonably withhold consent to the landlord to enter into the
dwelling unit in order to inspect the premises, make necessary or agreed repairs,
decorations, alterations or improvements, supply necessary or agreed services or exhibit
the dwelling unit to prospective or actual purchasers, mortgagees, tenants, workmen or
contractors. The landlord may enter the dwelling unit without consent of the tenant in
case of emergency. The landlord shall not abuse the right of access or use it to harass the
tenant. Except in case of emergency or if it is impractical to do so, the landlord shall give
the tenant notice of his intent to enter and may enter only at reasonable times. Unless
impractical to do so, the landlord shall give the tenant at least 24 hours notice of routine
maintenance to be performed that has not been requested by the tenant. If the tenant
makes a request for maintenance, the landlord is not required to provide notice to the
tenant.
I'm pretty sure all the resources you need have been posted.
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Thanks everyone for the advice but I think this thread is getting a little off track. I just want to know if there is law that would require the landlord to inform you before entering the house.
Short answer: check the original lease.
But that would have nothing to do with the law. Even if its not in lease, it could still be illegal.
I thought it was already covered earlier that there's no specific law in his state addressing the issue? Anyway, why make things more complicated than necessary? Every lease I've ever had contained a term addressing when repairmen could enter the premises. If he could just dig his lease out and see what it says then it would save him a lot of trouble.
I thought we had a bunch of people stating what they thought to be law but with nothing for sure. I'll go back and reread the thread to make sure i didn't miss something though. I'm not trying to make things complicated with the landlord. I just want to know all the facts before i talk to her. Its not like im planning on threatening to sue her or anything. If there is such a law and she doesn't agree to give me advanced notice next time, i would like to be able to nicely remind her of it.
Don't you have a copy of the lease or something. Chances are pretty good that reading the lease will solve about 99% of your problems.
No i do not have a copy of the lease. I'm out of town for the week and my copy of the lease would be at home. Either way, im not asking about the lease. i simply want to know if there is a law.
Without a lease, there is little a law can do to help you (even if one exists) as you aren't actually living there in any official, legal, or provable capacity.
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