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Old 11-05-2009, 02:07 PM
I think the brown tint is really more like red, and maybe that has something to do with the way 3-d glasses work.

Also this is like an accidental post-modernist thread.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:13 PM
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Our world is in no tint. Color does not exist, it is perceived by the individual.
I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around this statement.
It's a pretty pretentious statement but it's not really saying anything. Wavelengths of light exists in absolute values, colors don't because it's the individual perception of those waves. I.e what's purple to you might just be violet to someone else

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Old 11-05-2009, 02:18 PM
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Our world is in no tint. Color does not exist, it is perceived by the individual.
I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around this statement.
Color is a fabrication of the human language, based on how our sensory organs have adapted to percieve light stimulus. Photons are either reflected or absorbed by an object. The photons that are reflected are what we percieve as color. Red is just a name we have given a specific wavelength of light. Without light and without an organ to sense light, there is no color. In the absence of light, there is only pure darkness. No photons, no color. It's not even black. Pure and absolute black is technically an absence of photons hitting the retina of our eyes.

A hypothetical creature with no sight organs, but one that has exceptional hearing, may be able to "hear" color, based on ambient sound waves being reflected by or absorbed into the color, the same way we "see" color from photons.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:40 PM
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Our world is in no tint. Color does not exist, it is perceived by the individual.
I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around this statement.
what can really fuck you up is how do you know if what you perceive as red isnt what i percieve as blue?
What's really gonna bake your noodle later on is would you have broken the vase if I hadn't said anything?
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:03 PM
Your left eye must be moving forward through space faster than your right eye.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:58 PM
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Our world is in no tint. Color does not exist, it is perceived by the individual.
I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around this statement.
what can really fuck you up is how do you know if what you perceive as red isnt what i percieve as blue?
Man, I used to think about this so much. What if what I see as green, other people see as black, and if I could look through their eyes everything would be totally fucked?

My conclusion was that it really doesn't matter, because you learn from a very young age what colours are what, and that's just normal to you. It's entirely possible that I see red as a completely different colour to someone else, but if we both call it red, there's no tangible difference.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:15 PM
I have a theory that your eyes make a chemical that explodes when you look at light.

And this is why it hurts and you're blinded when you turn on a light at night. Because there's tiny explosions in the back of your eyes.

So, expanding on this theory, I'm assuming that different levels of chemicals in your eyes will cause different sized tiny explosions, which in turn will cause your eyes to see slightly differently. Try covering one eye for half an hour and seeing if this changes the results of your tests.

I'm trying to develop a game where you can shoot at those tiny squiggles that you see when you look up at the sky.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:18 PM
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I have a theory that your eyes make a chemical that explodes when you look at light.

And this is why it hurts and you're blinded when you turn on a light at night. Because there's tiny explosions in the back of your eyes.

So, expanding on this theory, I'm assuming that different levels of chemicals in your eyes will cause different sized tiny explosions, which in turn will cause your eyes to see slightly differently. Try covering one eye for half an hour and seeing if this changes the results of your tests.

I'm trying to develop a game where you can shoot at those tiny squiggles that you see when you look up at the sky.
on a kind of related note, some of those squiggles are apparently leftover bits of tissue from when your eye was forming in utero. they just sort of never leave. others of them are bits of stuff in your tears.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:32 PM
I have definitely gained way more floaters over time, for whatever reason.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:46 PM
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Our world is in no tint. Color does not exist, it is perceived by the individual.
I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around this statement.
Color is a fabrication of the human language, based on how our sensory organs have adapted to percieve light stimulus. Photons are either reflected or absorbed by an object. The photons that are reflected are what we percieve as color. Red is just a name we have given a specific wavelength of light. Without light and without an organ to sense light, there is no color. In the absence of light, there is only pure darkness. No photons, no color. It's not even black. Pure and absolute black is technically an absence of photons hitting the retina of our eyes.

A hypothetical creature with no sight organs, but one that has exceptional hearing, may be able to "hear" color, based on ambient sound waves being reflected by or absorbed into the color, the same way we "see" color from photons.
It's even more abstract than that. We only have three color receptors that respond to specific wavelengths, so the wavlength that excites the one receptor looks red to us, so we call it red, same for blue and green. Everything else is some combination. "Yellow" light has a specific wavelength, but it just excited the red and green receptors partially. If you shoot the right amounts of red and green light into your eye it'll look yellow. (This is how a CRT works, BTW) And then there's something like "brown" where there is no single wavelength of light that will make you see it, it would be a combination of at least red, green, and blue.

TL; DR: How we percieve color has little to do with how light actually works.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:03 PM
TK-42-1 wrote: View Post
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Our world is in no tint. Color does not exist, it is perceived by the individual.
I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around this statement.
what can really fuck you up is how do you know if what you perceive as red isnt what i percieve as blue?
pow.

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there are more perceptually distinguishable shades between red and blue than there are between green and yellow, which would make red-green inversion behaviorally detectable.[1 And there are yet further asymmetries. Dark yellow is brown (qualitatively different from yellow), whereas dark blue is blue[..] Similarly, desaturated bluish-red is pink (qualitatively different from saturated bluish-red), whereas desaturated greenish-yellow is similar to saturated greenish-yellow. Again, red is a “warm” color, whereas blue is “cool” — and perhaps this is not a matter of learned associations with temperature.
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The world is either blurry or covered in strange moving dots. I don't know which is more accurate.
floaters?
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:08 PM
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Our world is in no tint. Color does not exist, it is perceived by the individual.
I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around this statement.
Color is a fabrication of the human language, based on how our sensory organs have adapted to percieve light stimulus. Photons are either reflected or absorbed by an object. The photons that are reflected are what we percieve as color. Red is just a name we have given a specific wavelength of light. Without light and without an organ to sense light, there is no color. In the absence of light, there is only pure darkness. No photons, no color. It's not even black. Pure and absolute black is technically an absence of photons hitting the retina of our eyes.

A hypothetical creature with no sight organs, but one that has exceptional hearing, may be able to "hear" color, based on ambient sound waves being reflected by or absorbed into the color, the same way we "see" color from photons.
It's even more abstract than that. We only have three color receptors that respond to specific wavelengths, so the wavlength that excites the one receptor looks red to us, so we call it red, same for blue and green. Everything else is some combination. "Yellow" light has a specific wavelength, but it just excited the red and green receptors partially. If you shoot the right amounts of red and green light into your eye it'll look yellow. (This is how a CRT works, BTW) And then there's something like "brown" where there is no single wavelength of light that will make you see it, it would be a combination of at least red, green, and blue.

TL; DR: How we percieve color has little to do with how light actually works.
magenta is only sort of a colour! violet and red do not actually meet in the spectrum and whowooowooaaaaaaa
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:20 PM
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SkyCaptain;12308285Color is a fabrication of the human language, based on how our sensory organs have adapted to percieve light stimulus. Photons are either reflected or absorbed by an object. The photons that are reflected are what we percieve as color. Red is just a name we have given a specific wavelength of light. Without light and without an organ to sense light, there is no color. In the absence of light, there is only pure darkness. No photons, no color. It's not even black. Pure and absolute black is technically an absence of photons hitting the retina of our eyes.

A hypothetical creature with no sight organs, but one that has exceptional hearing, may be able to "hear" color, based on ambient sound waves being reflected by or absorbed into the color, the same way we "see" color from photons.[/QUOTE
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It's even more abstract than that. We only have three color receptors that respond to specific wavelengths, so the wavlength that excites the one receptor looks red to us, so we call it red, same for blue and green. Everything else is some combination. "Yellow" light has a specific wavelength, but it just excited the red and green receptors partially. If you shoot the right amounts of red and green light into your eye it'll look yellow. (This is how a CRT works, BTW) And then there's something like "brown" where there is no single wavelength of light that will make you see it, it would be a combination of at least red, green, and blue.

TL; DR: How we percieve color has little to do with how light actually works.
Yeah, I know. It would be interesting if we could alter our eyes to percieve even more of the light spectrum.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:31 PM
Be careful you don't give yourself the ability to see radio waves or you'd go crazy.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:47 PM
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Be careful you don't give yourself the ability to see radio waves or you'd go crazy.
Nah, that would be awesome. I'd be able to watch HD television in my head. =)
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:17 PM
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magenta is only sort of a colour! violet and red do not actually meet in the spectrum and whowooowooaaaaaaa
Yeah I was just going to post and say this. Magenta is an extra-spectral color. The visible spectrum goes red orange yellow green blue indigo violet, but magenta isn't anywhere on there because it is a mix of red and violet. In other words, it is a color your brain just makes up.

Thank goodness for the color wheel, so the spectrum can wrap around back to red.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:36 PM
so that makes me look at Blues Clues in a totally different way
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:45 PM
Indigo is a bullshit color Newton used to make seven colors in the rainbow.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:42 PM
I see things slightly more blueish in my right eye, and slightly more reddish in my left eye. Colors are slightly less vibrant in my right eye.

**Shrug** Just the way it is.
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