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Old 11-14-2009, 06:39 PM
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The original. Features include A HOPO system that does not work, ever,
WRONG! The HOPOs work just fine. You merely need to get it at the perfect time which is possible, and has been done before plenty of times. People have tapped in it after all.
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Old 11-14-2009, 06:42 PM
There are plenty of other reasons not to play Guitar Hero 1.

And your sig is too big, 500 x 80 is the limit.
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:02 PM
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The original. Features include A HOPO system that does not work, ever,
WRONG! The HOPOs work just fine. You merely need to get it at the perfect time which is possible, and has been done before plenty of times. People have tapped in it after all.
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:05 PM
Also kinda funny considering the fact that Harmonix acknowledged it with a loading screen in GH2.
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Old 11-15-2009, 01:24 AM
The HOPOs in GH1 work exactly as they were intended to.

It's just that that way turns out to be completely unreasonably hard.
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:12 AM
GH1 hopos are actually closest to actual guitar playing

but yeah, not fun as a plastic guitar video game mechanic
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:38 AM
Hammering on on a real guitar is hard?
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Old 11-15-2009, 02:47 AM
not generally with a bit of practice, but it requires precise technique and is mechanically similar to GH1's hopo requirements
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:27 PM
In the original GH, (correct me if I remember this wrong) you had you have the buttons ready for a pull off. For example, if you were pulling off from a red to a green (from the right to the left), you'd have to have green held down ahead of time when you strummed the red. It was the letting go of the red that set off the green, not a backwards hammer. If you tried to simply "hammer" the green while letting go of red, it wouldn't work as it does in recent GH's.

Obviously, this created problems in the fact that you aren't actually thinking of the guitar part ahead of time, you're sight reading. Its a pain in the ass to know ahead of time when pull-offs were coming. In addition, timing was really strict.

This is accurate, however, to a real pull off. If you were doing a pull off on a guitar, you need the note you're pulling off to, to be already fretted. Otherwise your pull off would just be to the open string.

Hammer-ons are also simplified. On a real guitar, you'd usually hold down the first note and hammer on the second. This keeps your first note ringing out until you hammer-on the second.

Basically, the system we use now is a forwards and backwards hammer on, one which would produce a rather disjointed, sticatto sound. Was the GH1 system broken? Obviously no, but it was to strict and sacrificed fun and playability for realism. The current system is detached from realism, but works best in game.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:07 PM
No, you didn't have to hold down pull-offs. At least I'm pretty sure I've simply tapped the notes as they came. It was just a very strict timing window.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:10 PM
No, Endaro is right. Part of the mechanic is that you had to pre-hold green before letting go of red to do a R->G pull-off.

If you try to do regular, post-GH1 HOPOs, it will sometimes work by accident if you happen to press the G slightly before you let go of the R, but the mechanic is still there.

The timing window is *also* really small for HOPOs in GH1, which contributed to the problem.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:13 PM
From how it was presented in the game, at least, you did have to hold them down. Their major conceit to gameplay was that if it was a yellow-red-green pull-off, you could hold down yellow and red, strum the yellow, remove your finger to hit the red, then hold down green and remove your finger from the red to hit the green, instead of having to hold down all three from the start.
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Old 11-15-2009, 03:35 PM
You could do that on a real guitar if you wanted to.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:04 AM
Aw man, GH5 got "Lady" by Lenny Kravitz?

I've loved that song ever since they used to do Alias promos with it.

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Old 11-16-2009, 12:15 AM
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Aw man, GH5 got "Lady" by Lenny Kravitz?
You seem disappointed....

Why?
Just sad it isn't on [POST REDACTED]

Edit: Thar. Fixed.
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I know, it's a perfectly cromulant word. I'm anaspeptic, frasmotic and even compunctionous to have it suffer such perincombobulations.

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Old 11-16-2009, 12:17 AM
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Aw man, GH5 got "Lady" by Lenny Kravitz?
You seem disappointed....

Why?
Just sad it isn't on [POST REDACTED]?
You watch your mouth
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:35 AM
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Aw man, GH5 got "Lady" by Lenny Kravitz?
You seem disappointed....

Why?
Just sad it isn't on [POST REDACTED]?
You watch your mouth


I'm sorry. I really didn't mean it....it was a momentary slip up, I swear!

Fixed anyway.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:39 AM
I think I'm getting jeans commercial flashbacks with that song.
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:05 AM
Yeah the Lenny Kravitz track pack is the first I've actually bought. Sweet.
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:28 PM
I'm gonna be home sick all day, if anybody feels like some guitar heroics
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:34 PM
As soon as I can, I'll be getting the Kravitz pack, as it has some really good songs. Can't yet though due to no interwebs.
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Old 11-16-2009, 02:50 PM
i'll be up for some gh5 in a bit gilthert

still getting used to my new drums, so i'll be sucking it up

fair warning
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