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Old 11-08-2009, 09:41 AM
Sorry, A&E is accident and emergency, it's where you go in UK hospitals if you require semi-urgent medical treatment.

And I'm approaching this from the perspective of someone who doesn't need health insurance because healthcare is free or restricted to minor fees. Including abortion.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:41 AM
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and there's the abstinence argument.
How is "the consequences of your actions are yours to deal with" an abstinence argument?
ummmm how isn't it?

I'm not putting you or it or anyone down, I don't want to argue, but you clearly just made an argument for abstinence.
No? For personal responsibility in regards to sex, sure. I never said people shouldn't have sex. Just that they need to accept the responsibility that goes along with it, and not whine that the government won't pay for their abortions.
It is an argument for both personal responsibility and for abstinence. If you have sex there is a chance that you'll get pregnant, no matter how small. If you want to be absolutely certain you won't get pregnant, you have to completely avoid having sex. It is, in fact, the only reasonable argument for abstinence.

It's not an argument against government funding for abortions. Abortions are a medical procedure, and should be covered like any other medical procedure. Saying "they knew the risk, it's their responsibility" can be applied to any medical procedure. "They knew the risks of climbing a ladder, the government shouldn't pay for their cast." "They knew the risks of eating bacon cheeseburgers, the government shouldn't pay for their bypass." "They knew the risks of suntanning, the government shouldn't pay for their cancer treatment." Would you make any of those arguments? If not, then making the same argument for sex and abortion isn't valid.
I would say one of the 2 reasonable arguments for abstinence. The other is to avoid STDs.
The third is Jesus.
We said reasonable arguments.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:42 AM
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If preordering mass effect 2 at a european gamestop doesn't get me the terminus armor I'm gonna be annoyed.

Or, I'm already annoyed at the stupid different bonuses for different stores shit.
I'm not really getting why pre-order bonuses for lots of RPG's are special armours right now.

I mean, it seems really hit or miss whether the user will want to use the armor or not. I looked at the Dragon Age exclusives on steam (some rings) and it looked like they had bonuses that I would probably not use at all.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:43 AM
Hey man! Jesus has their back!

Of course in this case it's essentially saying "Jesus has their semen"

...

I'm not sure that'll catch on.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:43 AM
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and there's the abstinence argument.
How is "the consequences of your actions are yours to deal with" an abstinence argument?
ummmm how isn't it?

I'm not putting you or it or anyone down, I don't want to argue, but you clearly just made an argument for abstinence.
No? For personal responsibility in regards to sex, sure. I never said people shouldn't have sex. Just that they need to accept the responsibility that goes along with it, and not whine that the government won't pay for their abortions.
It is an argument for both personal responsibility and for abstinence. If you have sex there is a chance that you'll get pregnant, no matter how small. If you want to be absolutely certain you won't get pregnant, you have to completely avoid having sex. It is, in fact, the only reasonable argument for abstinence.

It's not an argument against government funding for abortions. Abortions are a medical procedure, and should be covered like any other medical procedure. Saying "they knew the risk, it's their responsibility" can be applied to any medical procedure. "They knew the risks of climbing a ladder, the government shouldn't pay for their cast." "They knew the risks of eating bacon cheeseburgers, the government shouldn't pay for their bypass." "They knew the risks of suntanning, the government shouldn't pay for their cancer treatment." Would you make any of those arguments? If not, then making the same argument for sex and abortion isn't valid.
I would say one of the 2 reasonable arguments for abstinence. The other is to avoid STDs.
Well technically there is still a small chance that you'll get an STD without having sex. From a tainted blood transfusion, for example, or (for example for herpes) by skin contact to an infected area (something as simple as kissing someone with a cold sore will do it).
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:43 AM
That is a point too

should insurance cover AIDS treatments

I mean AIDS is just like a baby, in that you get it from sex and it costs a ton of money for the rest of your life
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:44 AM
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If preordering mass effect 2 at a european gamestop doesn't get me the terminus armor I'm gonna be annoyed.

Or, I'm already annoyed at the stupid different bonuses for different stores shit.
I'm not really getting why pre-order bonuses for lots of RPG's are special armours right now.

I mean, it seems really hit or miss whether the user will want to use the armor or not. I looked at the Dragon Age exclusives on steam (some rings) and it looked like they had bonuses that I would probably not use at all.
Because it looks cool which is the only reason I ever use anything in games.

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Old 11-08-2009, 09:45 AM
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and there's the abstinence argument.
How is "the consequences of your actions are yours to deal with" an abstinence argument?
ummmm how isn't it?

I'm not putting you or it or anyone down, I don't want to argue, but you clearly just made an argument for abstinence.
No? For personal responsibility in regards to sex, sure. I never said people shouldn't have sex. Just that they need to accept the responsibility that goes along with it, and not whine that the government won't pay for their abortions.
It is an argument for both personal responsibility and for abstinence. If you have sex there is a chance that you'll get pregnant, no matter how small. If you want to be absolutely certain you won't get pregnant, you have to completely avoid having sex. It is, in fact, the only reasonable argument for abstinence.

It's not an argument against government funding for abortions. Abortions are a medical procedure, and should be covered like any other medical procedure. Saying "they knew the risk, it's their responsibility" can be applied to any medical procedure. "They knew the risks of climbing a ladder, the government shouldn't pay for their cast." "They knew the risks of eating bacon cheeseburgers, the government shouldn't pay for their bypass." "They knew the risks of suntanning, the government shouldn't pay for their cancer treatment." Would you make any of those arguments? If not, then making the same argument for sex and abortion isn't valid.
I would say one of the 2 reasonable arguments for abstinence. The other is to avoid STDs.
The third is Jesus.
We said reasonable arguments.
Well it is a reasonable personal reason. It's not a reasonable reason to try to argue to anyone except other followers of your faith, whereas medical reasons are universal.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:45 AM
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If preordering mass effect 2 at a european gamestop doesn't get me the terminus armor I'm gonna be annoyed.

Or, I'm already annoyed at the stupid different bonuses for different stores shit.
I'm not really getting why pre-order bonuses for lots of RPG's are special armours right now.

I mean, it seems really hit or miss whether the user will want to use the armor or not. I looked at the Dragon Age exclusives on steam (some rings) and it looked like they had bonuses that I would probably not use at all.
I'm actually getting to the point where I see a "Exclusive only if you pre-order at Gamestop!" commercial and my brain automatically erases all knowledge of that game.

I won't lie, this has caused surprises lately.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:45 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...ead/index.html wow
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:45 AM
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That is a point too

should insurance cover AIDS treatments

I mean AIDS is just like a baby, in that you get it from sex and it costs a ton of money for the rest of your life
you pay for insurance, so it "should" cover whatever you're paying for it to cover
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:46 AM
also pre order bonuses are dumb and evil
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:47 AM
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If preordering mass effect 2 at a european gamestop doesn't get me the terminus armor I'm gonna be annoyed.

Or, I'm already annoyed at the stupid different bonuses for different stores shit.
I'm not really getting why pre-order bonuses for lots of RPG's are special armours right now.

I mean, it seems really hit or miss whether the user will want to use the armor or not. I looked at the Dragon Age exclusives on steam (some rings) and it looked like they had bonuses that I would probably not use at all.
Because it looks cool which is the only reason I ever use anything in games.

EDIT:
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Seriously, wow!

Yeah if it looks that good then I'm all for it.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:47 AM
Well, unless you're sick.

What, you expect a business to pay out for someone who is unhealthy enough to put their future contributions to the pool into question?

You're cah-raaaazy.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:49 AM
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If preordering mass effect 2 at a european gamestop doesn't get me the terminus armor I'm gonna be annoyed.

Or, I'm already annoyed at the stupid different bonuses for different stores shit.
I'm not really getting why pre-order bonuses for lots of RPG's are special armours right now.

I mean, it seems really hit or miss whether the user will want to use the armor or not. I looked at the Dragon Age exclusives on steam (some rings) and it looked like they had bonuses that I would probably not use at all.
I'm actually getting to the point where I see a "Exclusive only if you pre-order at Gamestop!" commercial and my brain automatically erases all knowledge of that game.

I won't lie, this has caused surprises lately.
Well, most places have pre-order bonuses of some kind now. Not just Gamestop.

I don't see anything wrong with those bonuses generally, it just seems to me in this particular case that armour is really a hit or miss kind of thing. But for RPG's I don't really have an idea of what I would think would be a better bonus item.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:49 AM
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That is a point too

should insurance cover AIDS treatments

I mean AIDS is just like a baby, in that you get it from sex and it costs a ton of money for the rest of your life
Are you saying that children are sexually transmitted diseases?
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:49 AM
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:50 AM
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If preordering mass effect 2 at a european gamestop doesn't get me the terminus armor I'm gonna be annoyed.

Or, I'm already annoyed at the stupid different bonuses for different stores shit.
I'm not really getting why pre-order bonuses for lots of RPG's are special armours right now.

I mean, it seems really hit or miss whether the user will want to use the armor or not. I looked at the Dragon Age exclusives on steam (some rings) and it looked like they had bonuses that I would probably not use at all.
I'm actually getting to the point where I see a "Exclusive only if you pre-order at Gamestop!" commercial and my brain automatically erases all knowledge of that game.

I won't lie, this has caused surprises lately.
Well, most places have pre-order bonuses of some kind now. Not just Gamestop.

I don't see anything wrong with those bonuses generally, it just seems to me in this particular case that armour is really a hit or miss kind of thing. But for RPG's I don't really have an idea of what I would think would be a better bonus item.
Plus you'll probably find a better looking and better specced armor an hour into the game, too.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:50 AM
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That is a point too

should insurance cover AIDS treatments

I mean AIDS is just like a baby, in that you get it from sex and it costs a ton of money for the rest of your life
Are you saying that children are sexually transmitted diseases?
Parasites.
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That is a point too

should insurance cover AIDS treatments

I mean AIDS is just like a baby, in that you get it from sex and it costs a ton of money for the rest of your life
Are you saying that children are sexually transmitted diseases?
well it does follow that abortion is kind of like curing AIDS
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:51 AM
Armour as a bonus worked pretty well in Dead Space for instance, because there every next piece of armour was always objectively better than the last. But in an RPG you have all kinds of variour play styles and people will want different kinds of stats from their armours.

@matt

Yeah, that's also something to consider. Will the bonus armour be for end-game or will it be available early. If early then people will probably use it, but discard it within the hour. If end-game then people will have 360 different builds and only a few of these will think the bonus armour is useable.
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Armour as a bonus worked pretty well in Dead Space for instance, because there every next piece of armour was always objectively better than the last. But in an RPG you have all kinds of variour play styles and people will want different kinds of stats from their armours.
For some reason I remember not wanting either of the bonus sets in Dead Space, and that the one you get for completing the game was actually the best. Plus you couldn't go back to the in-game armor if you applied one of the bonus sets.
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Armour as a bonus worked pretty well in Dead Space for instance, because there every next piece of armour was always objectively better than the last. But in an RPG you have all kinds of variour play styles and people will want different kinds of stats from their armours.
Yeah. I was just thinking about how different stores have different armors, and having to shop at one particular store whose bonus armor fits best to your playstyle.
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck america

come on guys what the hell? Don't pass an amendment to the government health plan that only lets it pay for abortions when they are from rape, incest, or the baby would put mommy in danger

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
That seems pretty reasonable. Why should the government be paying for someone's bad judgement?
Condom broke?

Birth control pill failed?
Why's it the government's fault the condom broke or the pill failed? Sue the company.
For the same reason that if you get in a car accident the government doesn't deny you healthcare and tell you to take it up with the car manufacturer instead?
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Armour as a bonus worked pretty well in Dead Space for instance, because there every next piece of armour was always objectively better than the last. But in an RPG you have all kinds of variour play styles and people will want different kinds of stats from their armours.
It was also lame because the armor you got for pre-ordering was like, a really high level armor or something if I remember and you could equip it out the gate, if I recall correctly. Seems like a great way to deprive yourself of the experience of actually playing the game.
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