Logo
Home Register Members User Control Panel Search Frequently Asked Questions
Penny Arcade Forums > On-Topic Forums > Artist's Corner » Please Help Me Uncrappify---Comics and Art
Reply
 
Thread Tools
 
PiranhaPlant's Avatar
 

PiranhaPlant is offline

Please Help Me Uncrappify---Comics and Art :

Old 10-27-2009, 03:57 PM
Blunt, honest, feedback wanted!


With the color stuff, I'd definately appreciate some feedback on any specific Photoshop techniques. There's just something about the coloring that isnt good enough for what I want and I cant figure out what it is/how to make it better. I think some of the pictures are "decent/okay" but I want to get beyond the mediocrity and get a "wow" factor eventually...which I dont have yet. Sometimes Ill even like the pose or the original drawing, but there's just something (or alot of things) missing from my final work. Note* I dont have a Cintique (sp?)-I scan and ink, then use Photoshop for the digital art. I just love that clean, clear, look in Penny Arcade. I dont want the same style, but I really love the coloring/overall digital feel of the comics that are very pleasant and fun to look at/read.








.
<---sux at coloring...help!

The Other Comic:
Though it has a strong shojo influence there's NO yaoi, Japan, maps of Japan, Japanese symbols, anything Japanese, or ambiguous cat-people (there goes 90% of any potential fanbase!) As far as the comic goes, I know a romance comic isnt everyone's "thing" around here : ) However... I could use any help/comments/blunt snarky criticism on how to get better concerning the actual art-especially the linework. I just dont like the linework enough. I really want it to look clearer and nicer. Im not sure if the problem lies in the actually inking itself or a missing digital step. Im almost done with Volume I and I really want Volume II to shine and show a vast improvement from the first venture.







I really want to get better and feel genuinely satisfied with the final product. Thanks for any feedback!
__________________
Reply With Quote | #1
 
Guy Bell's Avatar
 
Location: Virginia

Guy Bell is offline

Old 10-27-2009, 04:02 PM
I like the second, manga style better than the first. If that's what you are going for I think you pulled it off. You should try Manga Studio (there is a demo) Most of the new Manga artists are using it and it's easy to learn.
__________________
Some folks call it a sling blade. I call it a Kaiser blade.
Reply With Quote | #2
Mostly sane
valeryce's Avatar
 
Location: Seattle

valeryce is offline

Old 10-27-2009, 07:25 PM
The biggest issue I see with every single one of your pieces is anatomy. I like your compositions, there's a clear focal point going on in a lot of them, and I also like the expressions- but I don't believe your people are people since your anatomy is a bit off. That's perfectly fine, I'm not all that good yet either being an art student and everything, but with lots of practice you'll improve.

Even if you're doing stylized people, they're still people. Get photoref for your poses and study real anatomy of real people. Better yet get a buddy to pose for you or go to a figure drawing class. Draw realism first, do stylization second. For example, that anime girl on the last couple of images lacks a ribcage in almost all of the images. Her skull is also way out of whack- where are her cheek bones? What about her eye sockets? Thinking about things like this will help you.

This is a great book.
http://www.amazon.com/Human-Anatomy-.../dp/0195052064

So is this.
http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-People...6696447&sr=1-1

This is a great thread full of photo ref from life. Read: Pictures of naked people. Studying the human form is the best way to improve on anatomy. You can't draw a convincing person without knowing what's going on underneath. Find a pose similar to what you're drawing and use it as a reference point to place your foundational sketch.
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1813

Good luck improving!
__________________
Art Blog!
Deviant art!
I like drawing, cartoons, cookies, and shiny pointy objects.
Reply With Quote | #3
 
PiranhaPlant's Avatar
 

PiranhaPlant is offline

Old 10-28-2009, 02:28 PM
Thanks so much for the feedback! I think those links will be very helpful. It's hard to find tasteful nudes on the internet : /
__________________
Reply With Quote | #4
 
winter_combat_knight's Avatar
 
Location: South Australia, Adelaide

winter_combat_knight is offline

Old 10-28-2009, 03:45 PM
Really nice drawings. personally, besides some of the anatomy, i feel the colouring technique is letting down some of your images. The first image poseted looks nice, but some of them with the gradient fills dont compliment your nice linework. Perhaps harder colouring/toning will help bring out your lines. Just my opinion.
__________________
Reply With Quote | #5
A quarter android
worstcase's Avatar
 
Location: on his mother's side

worstcase is offline

Old 10-28-2009, 08:06 PM
I pretty much agree with all thats been said above, but in that first image especially the font choice and the glaring bright blue background are just killing the mood. They don't complement the piece at all, and I think its fairly well done aside form the anatomy and gradient fills
  Reply With Quote | #6
Mostly sane
valeryce's Avatar
 
Location: Seattle

valeryce is offline

Old 10-28-2009, 09:54 PM
Glad I could be of help. Finding tasteful nudes is difficult, you're right!

Keep on practicing. You obviously put some time into your drawings. You can totally get better at drawing with lots of practice and by doing studies. I'm a big proponent of doing studies from life, since I saw a huge improvement in my own work after taking lots of foundational drawing classes.

This is a really really good book with lots of exercises, it's almost like a basic art class in a book:
http://www.amazon.com/New-Drawing-Ri.../dp/0874774241

This book really helped me develop a critical eye and it helped me to understand lighting and value- basically how things work in the real world. It's definitely a great book for beginners. I did all the exercises in it and saw a big improvement- I think I should go back and do all the exercises over again honestly, since I'm sure I'd get better form doing them. I'm still a beginner too.

Here's annother helpful site for poses. It shows all the muscle groups. A lot of the stuff on there is pretty static but some people really love it, so I should probably link it to you.
http://posemaniacs.com/
__________________
Art Blog!
Deviant art!
I like drawing, cartoons, cookies, and shiny pointy objects.
Reply With Quote | #7
--BANNED--
 

deadlydorito is offline

Old 11-01-2009, 02:39 AM
if it helps, i lol'd at domestic evil. Yuck right side of the brain. It didnt do it for me XD
  Reply With Quote | #8
 
Guy Bell's Avatar
 
Location: Virginia

Guy Bell is offline

Old 11-01-2009, 07:27 AM
deadlydorito wrote: View Post
if it helps, i lol'd at domestic evil. Yuck right side of the brain. It didnt do it for me XD
"Drawing on the right side of the brain" is often mentioned on these forums. I personally never got any use out of it. I got more use out of looking at old model sheets from the old animation studios. But to each his own.
__________________
Some folks call it a sling blade. I call it a Kaiser blade.
Reply With Quote | #9
 
PiranhaPlant's Avatar
 

PiranhaPlant is offline

Old 11-03-2009, 07:58 PM
What's the right side of the brain stuff all about? Which old model sheets do you use ((any specific links that help with movement/ect? Thanks!

And thanks all for the feedback so far!
__________________
Reply With Quote | #10
Prinny good!
DirtyDirtyVagrant's Avatar
 
Location: In the Makai, dood.

DirtyDirtyVagrant is offline

Old 11-03-2009, 08:46 PM
Traditional studies. That's what you gotta do. The manga thing is fine, really. I mean some people will say "Ew manga" like it's unholy or something but really it's just a style. What's important is that you develop a range of styles and comfort zones, because the market for manga outside of Japan is...limited.

Treat every piece of art like a learning experience. I wish I had picked up on that sooner.

I would recommend starting with the tutorials linked here., particularly the ones on form and lighting. Then do some anatomical studies and some life drawings and post them up for us to look at.
 

Last edited by DirtyDirtyVagrant; 11-03-2009 at 08:48 PM.
Reply With Quote | #11
Reply

Penny Arcade Forums > On-Topic Forums > Artist's Corner » Please Help Me Uncrappify---Comics and Art

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:47 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® | Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.