Also, Fellhand, we don't want cannabis legalized. Anyone who says that doesn't know what they're talking about. I want it legalised and I know exactly what I'm talking about. Ditto, although my grounds for wanting it legalized are based in the sheer volume of government cheese wasted on keeping it illegal that could otherwise be put to some sort of actual use. I'm pretty sure I know what Shogun is talking about, and agree. I'd rather it decriminalized and leave it at that. We all know how tobacco turned out, that should be a big enough clue to why you wouldn't want it legalized. Though if I'm wrong in my thinking on the distinction between the two, please let me know. Bear in mind that I don't have any problem with tobacco being legal either.

Isn't it, in small amounts, decriminalized in like 1/3 of US states? I know that they are at least considering decriminalizing it here (MA).

Isn't it, in small amounts, decriminalized in like 1/3 of US states? I know that they are at least considering decriminalizing it here (MA). It has been decriminalized in Ohio since the early '70s. Up to 3.5 oz nets you a $100 ticket, unless you have the means on hand to break it up into seperate measured baggies, in which case you get intent to sell.

Isn't it, in small amounts, decriminalized in like 1/3 of US states? I know that they are at least considering decriminalizing it here (MA). It has been decriminalized in Ohio since the early '70s. Up to 3.5 oz nets you a $100 ticket, unless you have the means on hand to break it up into seperate measured baggies, in which case you get intent to sell. That's not really decriminalized if there's a penalty for it is it?

Isn't it, in small amounts, decriminalized in like 1/3 of US states? I know that they are at least considering decriminalizing it here (MA). It has been decriminalized in Ohio since the early '70s. Up to 3.5 oz nets you a $100 ticket, unless you have the means on hand to break it up into seperate measured baggies, in which case you get intent to sell. That's not really decriminalized if there's a penalty for it is it? It's not a criminal charge, it's a minor-misdemeanor. The legal equivalent of a parking-ticket.

A misdemeanor is a criminal charge. I think the word you're looking for is "violation."

A misdemeanor is a criminal charge. I think the word you're looking for is "violation." A minor-misdemeanor is differentiated from a misdemeanor in Ohio law.

Also, Fellhand, we don't want cannabis legalized. Anyone who says that doesn't know what they're talking about. I want it legalised and I know exactly what I'm talking about. Ditto, although my grounds for wanting it legalized are based in the sheer volume of government cheese wasted on keeping it illegal that could otherwise be put to some sort of actual use. I'm pretty sure I know what Shogun is talking about, and agree. I'd rather it decriminalized and leave it at that. We all know how tobacco turned out, that should be a big enough clue to why you wouldn't want it legalized. Though if I'm wrong in my thinking on the distinction between the two, please let me know. Bear in mind that I don't have any problem with tobacco being legal either. The problem with tobacco is all the additives the cigarette companies put with it. I mean I don't know if I'd like pure tobacco (not that I enjoy cigarettes too much anyways) but I know I wouldn't want the equivalent product with marijuana.

Also, Fellhand, we don't want cannabis legalized. Anyone who says that doesn't know what they're talking about. I want it legalised and I know exactly what I'm talking about. Ditto, although my grounds for wanting it legalized are based in the sheer volume of government cheese wasted on keeping it illegal that could otherwise be put to some sort of actual use. I'm pretty sure I know what Shogun is talking about, and agree. I'd rather it decriminalized and leave it at that. We all know how tobacco turned out, that should be a big enough clue to why you wouldn't want it legalized. Though if I'm wrong in my thinking on the distinction between the two, please let me know. Bear in mind that I don't have any problem with tobacco being legal either. The problem with tobacco is all the additives the cigarette companies put with it. I mean I don't know if I'd like pure tobacco (not that I enjoy cigarettes too much anyways) but I know I wouldn't want the equivalent product with marijuana. Thank you for being the only person in the thread to understand where I'm coming from. There is an industry in place already that, should cannabis become legalized, can grow it on their land, harvest it quickly and efficiently, roll it up, and stuff it 20 to a pack. That'd be the tobacco industry. I think we all know the good they've done for America thus far. I really don't want them gaining immediate control of our newly freed cannabis only to ruin it for their profits. Cannabis should never ever be legalized, only decriminalized. I could really go into a serious tangent about this, but I'm not going to. I gave up long ago trying to change people's minds. I just wish everyone could've read what I've read, and fully understand the actual why behind it ever being illegal in the first place. but srsly DjKlay; hi5

You make a good point. I like your style.

I don't think it necessarily follows that legalization == tobacco companies in control of the entire weed industry. I guess it sort of depends on how the legislation handles the production of dope, whether you need to have an expensive government contract or something. Because I can just as easily imagine a burgeoning industry of competing small businesses growing the shit in greenhouses and selling it to the public, head shops with shelves loaded with different strains from various suppliers, and friendly hippies selling their own home-grown organic shit at farmer's markets and whatnot. Personally I'm a fan of any law that says I can grow my own dope in the garden, next to the tomatoes.

That's true. You need plantations to grow tobacco. You need like a pot to grow pot.

There is already a community of dedicated growers of marijuana, that if marijuana were to be legalized, I think would make up the bulk of marijuana supply. Maybe this is just wishful thinking. Nonetheless, unlike tobacco, marijuana users are very preferential about the types of strains, methods of curing, and the type of weed they get. Tobacco companies wouldn't be able to sell shit weed covered in poison for the simple fact that no one will buy it. Plus, the ease of growing weed would create another incentive to not buy the shit from the major corporations. There is simply too much variety and preference out there for marijuana to be lumped into a single entity to be shit-fucked by the tobacco companies. I would much rather pay $250 for a zip of Bubba Kush than $80 for a ounce of schwag. Marijuana users aren't stupid, the same market mechanisms applies to them as anyone else.

Dude, you guys are aware that you can buy tobacco without additives, right?

Dude, you guys are aware that you can buy tobacco without additives, right? There just isn't a big market for it. However, there would no doubt be a massive market for organic marijuana. Also, that Ohio law is hilarious. If you have 3.5oz, you're probably going to be selling some of it no matter what.

Dude, you guys are aware that you can buy tobacco without additives, right? There just isn't a big market for it. However, there would no doubt be a massive market for organic marijuana. Also, that Ohio law is hilarious. If you have 3.5oz, you're probably going to be selling some of it no matter what. There doesn't need to be a large market. In the morning when the shops uptown open up, I can choose from no less than five additive-free tobacco brand options and this town doesn't even have a tobacconist shop.

I used to work for a medicinal pot clinic - a pretty big one, actually. We sold ungodly amounts of shitty brown Mexican weed (after paying a couple of stoners a few bucks over minimum wage to pick through it and pull the dead flies and cockroaches out). A lot of people really don't care what quality of pot they smoke.

I used to work for a medicinal pot clinic - a pretty big one, actually. We sold ungodly amounts of shitty brown Mexican weed (after paying a couple of stoners a few bucks over minimum wage to pick through it and pull the dead flies and cockroaches out). A lot of people really don't care what quality of pot they smoke. Old ladies with glaucoma rarely do.

I used to work for a medicinal pot clinic - a pretty big one, actually. We sold ungodly amounts of shitty brown Mexican weed (after paying a couple of stoners a few bucks over minimum wage to pick through it and pull the dead flies and cockroaches out). A lot of people really don't care what quality of pot they smoke. Indeed. But a lot of people do care, too. Higher quality weed gives a much different high, one that many people vastly prefer.

I used to work for a medicinal pot clinic - a pretty big one, actually. We sold ungodly amounts of shitty brown Mexican weed (after paying a couple of stoners a few bucks over minimum wage to pick through it and pull the dead flies and cockroaches out). A lot of people really don't care what quality of pot they smoke. I don't know what kind of clinic you worked at, but all the ones I've seen have a wide range of very good pot along with shitty strains. At this one clinic I just visited in California, I saw Master Kush, Northern Lights, Alohaberry, and more all available to patients. The strain of marijuana is very important, as the different effects they produce have different effects on medical conditions. If I can find the list of the different strains that correspond to each disease I'll post it. Also, Mexican pot can be shitty but it can also be very, very, very dank.

I used to work for a medicinal pot clinic - a pretty big one, actually. We sold ungodly amounts of shitty brown Mexican weed (after paying a couple of stoners a few bucks over minimum wage to pick through it and pull the dead flies and cockroaches out). A lot of people really don't care what quality of pot they smoke. I don't know what kind of clinic you worked at, but all the ones I've seen have a wide range of very good pot along with shitty strains. At this one clinic I just visited in California, I saw Master Kush, Northern Lights, Alohaberry, and more all available to patients. The strain of marijuana is very important, as the different effects they produce have different effects on medical conditions. If I can find the list of the different strains that correspond to each disease I'll post it. Also, Mexican pot can be shitty but it can also be very, very, very dank. I never said we didn't. A lot of customers wanted specific strains, too, or only wanted whatever the blue star sativa of the day was or whatever. I'm just challenging the notion that no pot smokers want shitty cheap weed. Plenty do, enough to form a market. Some people want whatever's cheap and plentiful.

I used to work for a medicinal pot clinic - a pretty big one, actually. We sold ungodly amounts of shitty brown Mexican weed (after paying a couple of stoners a few bucks over minimum wage to pick through it and pull the dead flies and cockroaches out). A lot of people really don't care what quality of pot they smoke. I don't know what kind of clinic you worked at, but all the ones I've seen have a wide range of very good pot along with shitty strains. At this one clinic I just visited in California, I saw Master Kush, Northern Lights, Alohaberry, and more all available to patients. The strain of marijuana is very important, as the different effects they produce have different effects on medical conditions. If I can find the list of the different strains that correspond to each disease I'll post it. Also, Mexican pot can be shitty but it can also be very, very, very dank. I never said we didn't. A lot of customers wanted specific strains, too, or only wanted whatever the blue star sativa of the day was or whatever. I'm just challenging the notion that no pot smokers want shitty cheap weed. Plenty do, enough to form a market. Some people want whatever's cheap and plentiful. Hence the popularity of Natty.

I used to work for a medicinal pot clinic - a pretty big one, actually. We sold ungodly amounts of shitty brown Mexican weed (after paying a couple of stoners a few bucks over minimum wage to pick through it and pull the dead flies and cockroaches out). A lot of people really don't care what quality of pot they smoke. I don't know what kind of clinic you worked at, but all the ones I've seen have a wide range of very good pot along with shitty strains. At this one clinic I just visited in California, I saw Master Kush, Northern Lights, Alohaberry, and more all available to patients. The strain of marijuana is very important, as the different effects they produce have different effects on medical conditions. If I can find the list of the different strains that correspond to each disease I'll post it. Also, Mexican pot can be shitty but it can also be very, very, very dank. I never said we didn't. A lot of customers wanted specific strains, too, or only wanted whatever the blue star sativa of the day was or whatever. I'm just challenging the notion that no pot smokers want shitty cheap weed. Plenty do, enough to form a market. Some people want whatever's cheap and plentiful. Those same people are already tobacco company's biggest customer base. Broke people. Broke people don't take the time to go to the local cannabis club and pick out good shit. They're going to buy a pack of joints for seven or eight dollars. The tobacco companies will sell cheap packs, expensive packs, and everything in between. Cannabis will become a thing of convenience like ciggs and quarts of oil are today. These people buy what they can afford. They already get their smokes this way, why wouldn't they do the same for bud? This also holds true to Natty, VC.

That'd be the tobacco industry. I think we all know the good they've done for America thus far. I really don't want them gaining immediate control of our newly freed cannabis only to ruin it for their profits. Cannabis should never ever be legalized, only decriminalized. I could really go into a serious tangent about this, but I'm not going to. I gave up long ago trying to change people's minds. I guarantee that Philip Morris wouldn't be the only company making them (if they made them at all). It would, in all likelihood, resemble the alcohol industry more than the tobacco industry, with differing strengths and strains of cannabis made by a wide variety of companies. It wouldn't "ruin" cannabis at all (probably the opposite: people would be free to genetically engineer and selectively breed it, like they have done with tobacco, to produce even more potent cannabis). You also wouldn't have to worry about "cheap" people ruining it, because there would be better, more expensive packs available as well (just like the difference between Budweiser and Samuel Adams). And if you don't like what they sell, you can grow your own... problem solved. Legalizing it would allow a huge amount of money (currently being spent to fight cannabis usage) to go towards other, better objectives. The taxes on it would generate a ton of additional revenue. A bunch of jobs would be created, we would spend less money keeping people in jail... the list goes on and on. I just wish everyone could've read what I've read, and fully understand the actual why behind it ever being illegal in the first place. Please, do tell. To my knowledge, there has never been a single good reason to outlaw it. It happened as a result of a propaganda machine that continues to this day. Cannabis was initially (and still often is) referred to as "marijuana" in U.S. anti-cannabis ads because it sounds strange and foreign (Mexican/Spanish). And you got gems like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Killerdrug.jpg (ok, I'm done editing now)

Marijuana was made illegal primarily because of the association it had with Mexican workers coming over, and cocaine was made illegal because some thought it made black men get the urge to rape white women. The history of drug banning in the US is very much tied into racism.