Is this real? Friend of mine showed it to me earlier, not sure what to make of it. The first hint that it's fake is the inconsistancy of the quality of each of the characters' portraits.

How many times do I have to point out that Ridley would be better served as an assist trophy, because he/she would make an incredibly horrible playable character? We are all aware that Ridley is a flying creature that lands occasionally, not the other way around, no? having one character able to fly around the screen, or at least hover above the ground, while the others cannot, would be pretty stupid. How would mines work on Ridley? If he/she stays on the ground most of the time, how would that work, being as he/she walks on all four legs? I know that they could feasibly put Ridley in as a playable character, but it sure as hell wouldn't fit. Ridley can glide, just like several other players. He'll work just fine. Pit isn't ruined just because he can't truly "fly," after all. Edit: Besides, fuckin' Snake is in the game. If he can fit, anyone can. Edit edit: Sub-boss? he's appeared in nearly ALL the Metroid games, especially the Japanese ones. He's well loved by Metroid fans. The thing is, Pit is a grounded character who can fly, and Ridley is a flying character who can walk. If Ridley was hovering around all the time, that would break the game entirely. If Ridely was grounded all the time, well, that would just be stupid.

How many times do I have to point out that Ridley would be better served as an assist trophy, because he/she would make an incredibly horrible playable character? We are all aware that Ridley is a flying creature that lands occasionally, not the other way around, no? having one character able to fly around the screen, or at least hover above the ground, while the others cannot, would be pretty stupid. How would mines work on Ridley? If he/she stays on the ground most of the time, how would that work, being as he/she walks on all four legs? I know that they could feasibly put Ridley in as a playable character, but it sure as hell wouldn't fit. Ridley can glide, just like several other players. He'll work just fine. Pit isn't ruined just because he can't truly "fly," after all. Edit: Besides, fuckin' Snake is in the game. If he can fit, anyone can. Edit edit: Sub-boss? he's appeared in nearly ALL the Metroid games, especially the Japanese ones. He's well loved by Metroid fans. Snake is a master of stealth infiltration. He has to fit in anywhere.

Ridley's by far the most major character in Metroid under Samus herself. Character? Of all the things you care about in a fighting game, your main gripe is personality? By that logic, why are Ice Climbers in it? Mr. Game and Watch? And for reference, the boss fights with Ridley in the Prime games are mostly fought grounded. So much for that leg of your argument. That and Ridley doesn't walk on all fours. You're using your ignorance of a character to rationalize his disadvantages. "I don't know that he can do so-and-so, so that must mean he can't!" Brilliant.

Ridley's tail swipes would be bitchin' to use.

Ridley's tail swipes would be bitchin' to use. Man, between his tail, breathing fire, and flight, you have a litany of crap to derive special moves from compared to most characters.

The only real issue with Ridley is that his moveset might end up too similar to Charizard's and Bowser's.

I hate it when people say that unpopular characters just couldn't be in Brawl, when there is overwhelming evidence that the opposite is true. I mean, Ice Climbers are in this game. None of the Fire Emblem games had been released in the US, and what about Mr. Game and Watch? Or Captain Falcon for that matter, he's from a racing game, don't tell me they'll have trouble coming up with a moveset for Ridley. I don't see any problem with him walking around, and he could be big like bowser, but maybe light instead of heavy because he's basically just a skeleton. Ridley is the iconic boss from the metroid series, he's been in almost every single game, except for Metroid 2 and Hunters.

The only real issue with Ridley is that his moveset might end up too similar to Charizard's and Bowser's. Charizard is playable? O.o And Bowser is big and clunky. Ridley is a big character, but he's lithe. He's hardly sluggish.

How many times do I have to point out that Ridley would be better served as an assist trophy, because he/she would make an incredibly horrible playable character? We are all aware that Ridley is a flying creature that lands occasionally, not the other way around, no? having one character able to fly around the screen, or at least hover above the ground, while the others cannot, would be pretty stupid. How would mines work on Ridley? If he/she stays on the ground most of the time, how would that work, being as he/she walks on all four legs? I know that they could feasibly put Ridley in as a playable character, but it sure as hell wouldn't fit. Ridley can glide, just like several other players. He'll work just fine. Pit isn't ruined just because he can't truly "fly," after all. Edit: Besides, fuckin' Snake is in the game. If he can fit, anyone can. Edit edit: Sub-boss? he's appeared in nearly ALL the Metroid games, especially the Japanese ones. He's well loved by Metroid fans. The thing is, Pit is a grounded character who can fly, and Ridley is a flying character who can walk. If Ridley was hovering around all the time, that would break the game entirely. If Ridely was grounded all the time, well, that would just be stupid. Pit flies in Kid Icarus.

Ridley's by far the most major character in Metroid under Samus herself. Character? Of all the things you care about in a fighting game, your main gripe is personality? By that logic, why are Ice Climbers in it? Mr. Game and Watch? And for reference, the boss fights with Ridley in the Prime games are mostly fought grounded. So much for that leg of your argument. That and Ridley doesn't walk on all fours. You're using your ignorance of a character to rationalize his disadvantages. "I don't know that he can do so-and-so, so that must mean he can't!" Brilliant. Actually, I'm a huge fan of Metroid (I've played EVERY metroid game, including pinball), and of Ridley, I just don't see Ridley fitting into Smash, that's all. I am aware of the boss fights in the Prime games, and yes, Ridley does come down to the ground, but I'd imagine that's to make the fights interesting. If she just flew around all the time breathing fire, it would be pretty boringin the 3d games. (And he/she does move around on all fours, unless you open up her weak point, which neccessitates that she rear back) When I said 'character' I didn't mean 'personality'. The only character Ridley has is that she hates Samus, and killed her parents. This is not for lack of love for the Metroid games (really, one of my favorite series), or Ridley (another favorite of mine), but rather not seeing how Ridley would fit into the Brawl line-up. Either Ridley would have to be compromised SEVERELY (nerfed down to a mix between charizard and bowser), which kind of ruins the point, or the game would be broken. Trust me, I love Ridley just as much as you guys, I'm just trying to be rational about it.

The only real issue with Ridley is that his moveset might end up too similar to Charizard's and Bowser's. Charizard is playable? O.o Isn't he...? PKMN Trainer and all that?

Is this real? Friend of mine showed it to me earlier, not sure what to make of it. The first hint that it's fake is the inconsistancy of the quality of each of the characters' portraits. The second is that it has Marth and Roy but not Ike.

Dude, Ice Climbers. There's no reason Ridley can't be in Smash. Or, what about Captain Falcon? What's his personality or reason for being in smash? All that "Falcon Punch!" stuff was made up for him for smash. His only personality before that is that he wants to win races.

This is not for lack of love for the Metroid games (really, one of my favorite series), or Ridley (another favorite of mine), but rather not seeing how Ridley would fit into the Brawl line-up. Either Ridley would have to be compromised SEVERELY (nerfed down to a mix between charizard and bowser), which kind of ruins the point, or the game would be broken. Yeah, Ganondorf had to be compromised severely to fit in Melee, since he totally sucks without his ability to turn into a pig demon. ....oh, wait. He's just fine.

Ridley's by far the most major character in Metroid under Samus herself. Character? Of all the things you care about in a fighting game, your main gripe is personality? By that logic, why are Ice Climbers in it? Mr. Game and Watch? And for reference, the boss fights with Ridley in the Prime games are mostly fought grounded. So much for that leg of your argument. That and Ridley doesn't walk on all fours. You're using your ignorance of a character to rationalize his disadvantages. "I don't know that he can do so-and-so, so that must mean he can't!" Brilliant. Actually, I'm a huge fan of Metroid, and of Ridley, I just don't see Ridley fitting into Smash, that's all. I am aware of the boss fights in the Prime games, and yes, Ridley does come down to the ground, but I'd imagine that's to make the fights interesting. If she just flew around all the time breathing fire, it would be pretty boringin the 3d games. (And he/she does move around on all fours, unless you open up her weak point, which neccessitates that she rear back) When I said 'character' I didn't mean 'personality'. The only character Ridley has is that she hates Samus, and killed her parents. This is not for lack of love for the Metroid games (really, one of my favorite series), or Ridley (another favorite of mine), but rather not seeing how Ridley would fit into the Brawl line-up. Either Ridley would have to be compromised SEVERELY (nerfed down to a mix between charizard and bowser), which kind of ruins the point, or the game would be broken. Trust me, I love Ridley just as much as you guys, I'm just trying to be rational about it. None of the characters in Smash are represented to their full capacity, though. I don't know why you'd want Ridley to be any different, and shun the notion that he wouldn't be. Ridley would serve plenty of purpose as being a heavy glider character, along with Charizard, forming a reptilian duo to counteract the quickie gliders (Pit and Metaknight). His inclusion would go well beyond novelty.

I hate it when people say that unpopular characters just couldn't be in Brawl, when there is overwhelming evidence that the opposite is true. I mean, Ice Climbers are in this game. None of the Fire Emblem games had been released in the US, and what about Mr. Game and Watch? Or Captain Falcon for that matter, he's from a racing game, don't tell me they'll have trouble coming up with a moveset for Ridley. I don't see any problem with him walking around, and he could be big like bowser, but maybe light instead of heavy because he's basically just a skeleton. Ridley is the iconic boss from the metroid series, he's been in almost every single game, except for Metroid 2 and Hunters. He wasn't in Prime 2 either, right? Not to detract from what you're saying though, I would love for Ridley to be playable.

The one thing I've learned from Sakurai and his team is that, with enough attention, they can make any character do anything they want. The only valid reason I see for a character not being included is because the team didn't have the time/motivation to put them in. "It's not possible" just doesn't work when you look at what they've done already.

If Ridley was playable, they would certainly have to nerf him severely in order to make him a fair character. But to be fair, they've already done this with Ganondorf. He's supposed to be the incarnation of evil itself, but in Melee he can get his shit ruined by a Jigglypuff. Some would argue that this is 'missing the point' of Ganondorf, but in practise nobody really cares because he's a cool character to play as.

To clarify, I am not saying that he can't, or won't be a playable character. I am just saying I don't think he would fit. Yes, other characters were made to fit Smash, I understand that. Yes, he could be fit in there, and I'm sure Nintendo could pull it off, if they wanted to. I fully understand wanting him to be in there, hell I'll admit that I would like him to be in the roster, as well. What I am saying is that it doesn't FEEL right. If you look at the list of playable characters, Ridley just doesn't fit in there. It's just my opinion, though, and I'm usually wrong, anyway. How would you make him playable, just out of curiosity? Just a Bowser clone with a tail, that can glide? Or a hovering creature that breaks the game?

If Ridley was playable, they would certainly have to nerf him severely in order to make him a fair character. But to be fair, they've already done this with Ganondorf. He's supposed to be the incarnation of evil itself, but in Melee he can get his shit ruined by a Jigglypuff. Some would argue that this is 'missing the point' of Ganondorf, but in practise nobody really cares because he's a cool character to play as. How can anybody rationalize this with Link and Samus, who beat these characters? Are they nerfed beyond repair? Compared to their in-game counterparts, obviously they are, but why should it be a problem for their antagonists when it isn't for them?

What I am saying is that it doesn't FEEL right. If you look at the list of playable characters, Ridley just doesn't fit in there. I just don't see how a character can 'feel' right or wrong in this game. Jigglypuff and Bowser can face off with an even chance of victory (actually, I think Jiggly is well ahead of Bowser). You have uber-cutesy characters, classic characters, badass characters, monstrous characters all in the same thing. How any kind of character could feel out of place is beyond me.

Samus would be insane if she had her full power. I'm just gonna flip around the stage never falling and bringing spinning green death to anything that I touch. Good luck with that whole frying pan thing though, Peach.

I hate it when people say that unpopular characters just couldn't be in Brawl, when there is overwhelming evidence that the opposite is true. I mean, Ice Climbers are in this game. None of the Fire Emblem games had been released in the US, and what about Mr. Game and Watch? Or Captain Falcon for that matter, he's from a racing game, don't tell me they'll have trouble coming up with a moveset for Ridley. I don't see any problem with him walking around, and he could be big like bowser, but maybe light instead of heavy because he's basically just a skeleton. Ridley is the iconic boss from the metroid series, he's been in almost every single game, except for Metroid 2 and Hunters. He wasn't in Prime 2 either, right? Not to detract from what you're saying though, I would love for Ridley to be playable. I had thought he was but according to the Wikipedia he wasn't in 2, and come to think of it I can't recall ever fighting him in it. There have been several Fire Emblems in the US, 3 now to be exact, with a 4th on the way. Roy has only appeared as a child though, and Marth never has. Ike is the protagonist of the Cube FE and a major character in the upcoming Wii FE. I think Ridley would be cool to have, but he'd have to be scaled down a lot in size to work. I think it's pretty much a given that he'll be an Assist at least.

How would you make him playable, just out of curiosity? Just a Bowser clone with a tail, that can glide? Or a hovering creature that breaks the game? Hovering very close to the ground, like Mewtwo.