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Old 03-11-2008, 07:56 PM
OK, so I was over at neogaf. Shame shame I know.
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Somehow a thread with the stupid title:

BEST RPG ON THE DS, PERIOD - New official thread of YOU WILL BUY SHIREN DS

Caught my eye. Must be something retarded right?

Well fuck me. There is a god damn roguelike on the DS with permadeath, turnbased play and every fucking thing.

I was not informed. Searching turned up no threads and only a few passing notices.

Even though I'm not amused by any means, you can redeem yourselves by making posts in here so I don't have to actually read a non-sales neogaf thread.

GO!

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Old 03-11-2008, 08:00 PM
Shiren is great. I played tons of the SNES fan translation, and got the DS version last Wednesday. I'm actually waiting on a rescue after starting a massively nice run where I found two Happy Bracers and a Warehouse Pot, while wielding a rustproof Iron Shield+1 and Polearm+6 and in posession of a couple Chiropractic Jars. I got careless and died to a Chainhead since I misjudged how much health it had left.

Shiren is all about sharing the careless deaths as well as the grand victories. Hopefully we can get more stories in here?
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Old 03-12-2008, 05:35 AM
I am intrigued. Tell me more/show me a picture!
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Old 03-12-2008, 06:37 AM
There's several roguelikes on the DS. Izuma the Unemployed Ninja, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 1 and the upcoming Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2 to name a few. Why is this always such a shock?
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Old 03-12-2008, 06:38 AM
shiren is fan-fucking-tastic. if you're into hardcore, extremely difficult roguelikes, that is. almost everyone who has played it agrees -- it is the finest console roguelike experience out there. Here is a two-part playthrough of the original SNES game that was posted last year

Shiren Playthrough - part 1, part 2
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Old 03-12-2008, 09:06 AM
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There's several roguelikes on the DS. Izuma the Unemployed Ninja, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 1 and the upcoming Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2 to name a few. Why is this always such a shock?
Ah, but Shiren is old-school to the max, and without it we'd never have had Pokemon Mystery Dungeon... I'm enjoying it so far, just dabbled in the first few levels - never played this originally, though I did play the hell out of Asuka's game on DC (Fushigi Dungeon - Onnakenshi Asuka Kenzan, I think it was). I really ought to go back to that sometime, too.

I didn't realise the music was a series staple. Heard the theme when I started up the DS and couldn't stop smiling.
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Old 03-12-2008, 10:33 AM
Ah, yes. Music by Koichi Sugiyama, composer for the Dragon Quest series. I always like hanging out on the menu screen before starting an adventure just for the music.
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Old 03-12-2008, 11:58 AM
Yes, this is awesome! I keep dieing, but I keep pressing on! It autosaves after a death, so I can't be cheesy and reset to save my good equipment like I do in the pokemon one. I really like the rescue part. I never have gotten myself rescued (I didn't want to wait, I wanted to play more!), but I've done plenty of rescues of random folks online. I usually get some good loot on the journey and then a reward on top of it. (And more rewards if the saved person sends a thank you!) Those little missions supply my real journeys up the mountain. I've made it all the way to floor 25 so far. The high score table is nifty too. I was in the top 100 for like a day. That was thrilling.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:22 AM
Wait a sec, am I getting this right?... Are you saying that this is a Roguelike, Portable. With some form of Wi-Fi play and leaderboards? Why the fuck was I not informed? And damnit, I don't want to have to buy another game right now on credit but I may need to track this down as I imagine it will get hard to find being a niche game like this.
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Old 03-13-2008, 02:57 AM
For those of us playing with homebrew;
Powder is a free roguelike.
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Old 03-13-2008, 03:01 AM
I swore I talked about this somewhere here. I never made a new thread though.

The biggest shame about this game is the terrible US coverart. The game itself is fine.

This game is destined for the bargin bin, so I'll be sure to look out for it when it does.
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:00 AM
Theres even a port of Nethack to the DS, but the controls didn't translate well AT ALL. How is Powder in those regards?
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:03 AM
No, you fail at not reading the weekly Game Release Thread.

Oh burn.
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:48 AM
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Theres even a port of Nethack to the DS, but the controls didn't translate well AT ALL. How is Powder in those regards?
Pretty good.
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:49 AM
It's been hyped for a long, long time now. If the PA forums actually hasn't been brought up to speed on this (something I personally doubt), then you should start looking at GameFAQs and NeoGAF more often.
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Old 03-13-2008, 04:26 PM
Just picked this up as well, first roguelike for me. Already died once in the mines, those evil eyes are pretty tough.

We should probably put up are friend codes now in case of future rescues, as dying seems to be a common occurrence.


Edit: here's my friend code: 2535-3368-9074
 

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Old 03-13-2008, 10:51 PM
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This game is destined for the bargin bin, so I'll be sure to look out for it when it does.
Seconded. I really like the look of this game, but I think I feel safe bookmarking it and coming back in a few months when I can find this for cheap. Rogue games like this will always have a place with me, damn Amulet of Yendor.

Edit: if anyone can tell me a good reason to get it now, that about all I'll need to buy it.
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:14 PM
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Theres even a port of Nethack to the DS, but the controls didn't translate well AT ALL. How is Powder in those regards?
Pretty good.
I managed to complete Powder around version 0.82 or so and they are up to version 1.02 now. It's gotten much better. The controls are pretty damn good and it's a fairly deep roguelike.
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:33 AM
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Edit: if anyone can tell me a good reason to get it now, that about all I'll need to buy it.
My reason will be related in the form of an epic poem.
Well, not really. But I will tell you a longwinded-story relating my experience with the game, and it will either convince you that this is TOTALLY THE GAME FOR YOU, or convince you of the exact opposite.

For starters, it'll kill you. It doesn't care.

But each time I died and came back (at level 1, from the set starting place), I'd find a new shield that's better than the one I found in my previous life, and new NPCs in the dungeon.

Among those NPCs, there's this STUPID WOMAN WHO BLINDS YOU, who will henceforth be referred to as "crazy blinding woman." While you are blinded, you can see nothing around you for a brief time. The first time you fall for it you think it won't happen again. Then the next time you run into her, she does it again while pretending to apologize. Then you once again reach one of the checkpoint towns that you've reached before in your previous lives... and you find her there! Except now she's cornered by some other guys who are pissed at her for blinding them. I was gonna leave her there, but then whatever, I butted in. The guys attacked me and I beat them up. Then she says, "you saved me, even though I blinded you twice!" and offers to join you. You accept... AND SHE BLINDS YOU AGAIN... but joins you anywa! Of course, while you're running around blind you can't really tell that she's there (while you're blind, all you can see is yourself, everything else is black). So then your blindness wears off.. and she REALLY DID JOIN YOU! And then she starts kicking ass all over the place. All these enemies that seemed fearsome before... she kills them, and then you chat with her, and seemingly whatever she killed last, she says "is not so tough."

Now among those enemies, there are these ones called Evil Soldiers, which are normally kinda tough on their own. The kicker is that once you kill them, this Evil Spirit pops out, and if it can run into another enemy, it will combine with that enemy and upgrade it to the next version. So we run into a bunch of these Evil Soldiers, and the Evil Spirits JOIN TOGETHER WTF. But it doesn't matter, because crazy blinding woman blinds it like the vermin it is and we kick its ass.

You've also got a hunger meter. Once it gets too low, you lose HP and whatnot. You can indeed die of starvation. So I'm hungry, and I'm about to eat my only real food item left. The moment I hit the "Eat" command, an old man appears out of thin air in front of me and says that he's starving, and wish that he had a riceball to eat (i'm about to eat a riceball). So I choose to be nice and give it to him... and he gives me a herb that instantly levels me up. Of course, I nearly starved to death afterwards, but that was fun in retrospect.

Back to the crazy blinding woman.

Now, the AI for companions is nutty. It didn't need to be smart, since all it needs to do is follow you (and not in real time) and attack nearby enemies. The problem is that the following is easily screwed up when you enter a 1-person wide corridor (of which there are many in the Mines) and somebody comes between you (like one of those non-monster NPCs). Once this happens, the AI decides that running off and trying to loop back to meet you EVEN THOUGH THE PLAYER DOESN'T KNOW THE DUNGEON LAYOUT AND THERE MAY BE MONSTERS EVERYWHERE is a good plan of action. The companions are also not very smart at trying to meet up with you when you start moving towards them... I'm not sure how that works. This can be quite irritating at times, but sometimes the results are amazing.

Let me also mention that enemies can friendly fire, and that I have as companions crazy blinding woman, and this little girl who said that she was lost, who we will now refer to as "lost little girl."

So a scenario like the first plays out, both of my companions split off from me, and I've mapped barely 1/3 of the floor. I haven't got a handy Scroll of Seeing which instantly shows me the whole floor layout and all the monsters, so I've got guess work to do. From the message log, my two companions split in two different directions, fighting different enemies. One of the enemies that was ranged hit another enemy, aggroing it and getting attacked by that enemy. The aggro'd enemy killed the other enemy and levelled up. It then killed lost little girl before I could reach her, and levelled up. It then went on a RAMPAGE, hunting down other monsters (OF ITS OWN KIND!), killing them, and levelling up. It then caught up with crazy blinding woman, killed her, and levelled up. Then it made its way towards me, ran into the NPC that caused us to split up, killed him, levelled up (by now it's levelled up like 9 times, its name changing from Kingy to Kingy10), and then made for me. I ran like a frightened little girl for the exit.

Another floor later, I reached town, and right at the entrance to the town was a couple wondering where there daughter had gone to. I'd like to tell them that if they go two floors back they should ask the Kingy10: the Kinslayer, Eater of Children.

Other nuttyness:
There's an enemy that changes items on the dungeon floor into Weeds, which have no value.
There's an enemy that can randomly change an item in your inventory into a riceball when it hits you.
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:42 AM
I should buy this game.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:03 AM
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*epic poem of extreme greatness*
fuck, you convinced me. i was already leaning towards buying this soon but now im going tomorrow.

you bastards hate my wallet!
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Old 03-14-2008, 04:46 AM
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For those of us playing with homebrew;
Powder is a free roguelike.
Holy crap! That game rocks, and looks awesome. I tried the OS X version, but I'm going to try it on my girlfriend's DS as well. Thanks for the tip!
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:06 AM
Yeah, Powder is fantastic. The guy designed it for GBA so the buttons are all very intuitive after just a minute of playing. So much fun!
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:12 AM
Wait, what's wrong with neogaf?
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:18 AM
Another recommendation for powder. Really great controls. Is Shiren as difficult as most rougelikes or easier?
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