Darth Helmet?

Darth Helmet? he doesn't look druish

all i'm saying is that there is something wrong with hearing a baby got run over by a tank and shouting "DAMN THOSE IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS" there's something wrong with parents who encourage their children to go blow themselves up on a city bus are you comparing that baby to suicide bombers I'm comparing parents who turn their children in to martyrs with parents who turn their children in to martyrs. Unless you honestly believe that some Israeli ripped a baby from the arms of its mother and placed it on the ground, and then held that screaming mother back while another Israeli drove over the baby with a tank, how can you explain any scenario not involving negligence or malice on the part of the parents? How exactly does a baby get run over by a tank? Not only that... But I'm sure regardless the baby's family is being trumpeted as heroes and getting a fat check. that's besides the point. I don't care who is painted as a hero or a villain, I just don't like parents sending their children to die. oh the whole thing is fucked up... and the kids are all fucked up too. The Palestinan children unfortunately have like no chance as rocket launchers get set up right next to their homes or they get told day in and day out "hey it's cool to throw rocks at people with guns" Don't forget Farfur Here I am scouring the internet for examples of things... and you casually toss it out there off the top of your head. Do you have the links to the pictures of the photojournalists bias... you know the ones where the article shows a kid being carried off because of an Israeli soldier's "aggression" and then the picture snapped moments before where the kid was attacking the soldier?

i tend to think of israel as stormtrooper evil and palestine as those-guys-from-iron-man evil both being essentially faceless enemies reflecting the larger fears of the era? uh yes absolutely you are a brilliant analyst I think "Israel is Empire-level evil and Hamas is a terrorist organization-level evil" would've put it better even so Israel as an Empire? It's the size of New Jersey. the analogy is not perfect, I'll be the first to admit but still: Jewish Darth Vader apparently there are hebrew characters on his chest plate. I never remember to look closely

Don't forget Farfur Here I am scouring the internet for examples of things... and you casually toss it out there off the top of your head. Do you have the links to the pictures of the photojournalists bias... you know the ones where the article shows a kid being carried off because of an Israeli soldier's "aggression" and then the picture snapped moments before where the kid was attacking the soldier? No, but I do have a Farfur video queued up (sop that other people understand what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrieB...eature=related

The various international treaties to which Israel is a part and has ratified indicate that defensive warfare should be conducted proportionate to the attack, meaning it should be exactly the amount of force required to eliminate the threat posed by future attacks. We're seeing the perverted response now because burning the Strip to the ground and leaving none alive is the only way to solve that problem militarily, and the Israeli government has no interest in dealing with the problem diplomatically. There is a false debate occurring which holds that wildly inaccurate rocket attacks against Israel are an inciting event, when the problem is that thousands upon thousands of people were forced from their homes to make way for the people who got fucked over by Germany. ejsus christ yeah, just stunning I'm confused, apparently. Where's the false premise in this argument? The idea that Israel is not interested in Diplomacy. Israel sat down with the Fatah government many times, but Fatah is corrupt, and are profitting off of the occupation themselves, so they were not interested in a resolution. Israel will not sit down with Hamas because Hamas will not stop attacking Israel. An end to terrorist attacks on civilians is NOT too much to ask for before sitting down.

That Mickey Mouse clone's voice is so annoying

That's a clip from a gazan children's television show. I have more, but I don't think it's needed. When I talk about how horrible it is that parents are encouraging their children to go and die, I'm not making shit up.

The various international treaties to which Israel is a part and has ratified indicate that defensive warfare should be conducted proportionate to the attack, meaning it should be exactly the amount of force required to eliminate the threat posed by future attacks. We're seeing the perverted response now because burning the Strip to the ground and leaving none alive is the only way to solve that problem militarily, and the Israeli government has no interest in dealing with the problem diplomatically. There is a false debate occurring which holds that wildly inaccurate rocket attacks against Israel are an inciting event, when the problem is that thousands upon thousands of people were forced from their homes to make way for the people who got fucked over by Germany. yeah... FUCK THE BRITISH!... er I mean not specifically... FUCK COLONIALISM... no wait wait... fuck all of western development. Your argument is what I'd like to call the... "I don't know shit about history and only pay attention to current events argument." Not only has Israel offered A LOT of land back to the Palestinian people... but they have offered them A LOT OF FUCKING LAND BACK... the reason that the Palestinians are stuck in the shit strip of land that they're in today, is because they said NO every time. Also seeing that Israel has thrived having become the State of Israel are you now saying "I want all the people in Israel to go and leave all their shit behind them (again) so that a bunch of people who have been committing terrorist acts can take all their stuff?" My senior thesis was a history of Iraq from 1918 to 2003. I know slightly more than "shit" about middle eastern history. When exactly was the offer you're referring to made? Because I'm remembering a lot more the bulldozers rolling over people's houses than I am the offers of shared space. Israel wants to be Jewish, and that means no Muslims. They've never made a reasonable offer to let the people who once lived in the land come back. With every conflict, the settlements move farther out, and then the Israeli government has to support them or come across as being the ones who have to kick the settlers out. We're in a situation now where the Israeli government cannot politically afford to make an offer of the kind that will end this conflict, because there are too many Israelis living on land that would have to be returned. Meanwhile, what is left of the Muslims who were living in the area have gotten so fucked by their neighbors (all their neighbors) that they have nothing to lose. They'll keep launching rockets, and the Israelis will keep retaliating proportionately until everyone in the Gaza Strip is dead. I honestly don't see a real solution to this except covering the pot and letting the fire burn out.

The various international treaties to which Israel is a part and has ratified indicate that defensive warfare should be conducted proportionate to the attack, meaning it should be exactly the amount of force required to eliminate the threat posed by future attacks. We're seeing the perverted response now because burning the Strip to the ground and leaving none alive is the only way to solve that problem militarily, and the Israeli government has no interest in dealing with the problem diplomatically. There is a false debate occurring which holds that wildly inaccurate rocket attacks against Israel are an inciting event, when the problem is that thousands upon thousands of people were forced from their homes to make way for the people who got fucked over by Germany. ejsus christ yeah, just stunning I'm confused, apparently. Where's the false premise in this argument? The idea that Israel is not interested in Diplomacy. Israel sat down with the Fatah government many times, but Fatah is corrupt, and are profitting off of the occupation themselves, so they were not interested in a resolution. Israel will not sit down with Hamas because Hamas will not stop attacking Israel. An end to terrorist attacks on civilians is NOT too much to ask for before sitting down. Yes, because ever before in history there has been an incident of one party to cease-fire negotiations demanding a cease-fire and full disarmament before they will begin cease-fire negotiations.

What I want to know is why Nicaragua, Argentina, Honduras or Salvador wanted Farful's land

I heard an argument from someone on CNN that I felt summed things up nicely If, say, Canada started firing rockets into our northern states indiscriminately, we wouldn't waste time trying to sit down and talk to them nicely about it We would move first to disable the rocket-firing capabilities, which is what the public outcry would almost certainly want us to do And once people in Minnesota were no longer dying randomly, then we could have all the diplomatic talks necessary It's rather absurd to watch your civilian populace dying and to say "ok, clearly you have some issues, let's discuss this. How do you feel?"

When exactly was the offer you're referring to made? Really? I thought you are some kind of self-declared expert on middle eastern affairs. You can grab a timeline here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_p...inian_conflict

If Canada started firing rockets into the US, the President would call up the PM and ask them what the hell is going on.

I heard an argument from someone on CNN that I felt summed things up nicely If, say, Canada started firing rockets into our northern states indiscriminately, we wouldn't waste time trying to sit down and talk to them nicely about it We would move first to disable the rocket-firing capabilities, which is what the public outcry would almost certainly want us to do And once people in Minnesota were no longer dying randomly, then we could have all the diplomatic talks necessary It's rather absurd to watch your civilian populace dying and to say "ok, clearly you have some issues, let's discuss this. How do you feel?" You do realize that Hamas is still firing rockets, right? It is not like there is one big button that will turn off the rockets. Disabling the rockets is the point of Israel's attacks.

I heard an argument from someone on CNN that I felt summed things up nicely If, say, Canada started firing rockets into our northern states indiscriminately, we wouldn't waste time trying to sit down and talk to them nicely about it We would move first to disable the rocket-firing capabilities, which is what the public outcry would almost certainly want us to do And once people in Minnesota were no longer dying randomly, then we could have all the diplomatic talks necessary It's rather absurd to watch your civilian populace dying and to say "ok, clearly you have some issues, let's discuss this. How do you feel?" I dunno it would depend I mean Canada could get away with that for years if they just released a statement that said "oops" every time they did it. We wouldn't know any better.

The various international treaties to which Israel is a part and has ratified indicate that defensive warfare should be conducted proportionate to the attack, meaning it should be exactly the amount of force required to eliminate the threat posed by future attacks. We're seeing the perverted response now because burning the Strip to the ground and leaving none alive is the only way to solve that problem militarily, and the Israeli government has no interest in dealing with the problem diplomatically. There is a false debate occurring which holds that wildly inaccurate rocket attacks against Israel are an inciting event, when the problem is that thousands upon thousands of people were forced from their homes to make way for the people who got fucked over by Germany. ejsus christ yeah, just stunning I'm confused, apparently. Where's the false premise in this argument? The idea that Israel is not interested in Diplomacy. Israel sat down with the Fatah government many times, but Fatah is corrupt, and are profitting off of the occupation themselves, so they were not interested in a resolution. Israel will not sit down with Hamas because Hamas will not stop attacking Israel. An end to terrorist attacks on civilians is NOT too much to ask for before sitting down. Yes, because ever before in history there has been an incident of one party to cease-fire negotiations demanding a cease-fire and full disarmament before they will begin cease-fire negotiations. Attacking civilians directly goes a bit beyond a cease-fire.

I heard an argument from someone on CNN that I felt summed things up nicely If, say, Canada started firing rockets into our northern states indiscriminately, we wouldn't waste time trying to sit down and talk to them nicely about it We would move first to disable the rocket-firing capabilities, which is what the public outcry would almost certainly want us to do And once people in Minnesota were no longer dying randomly, then we could have all the diplomatic talks necessary It's rather absurd to watch your civilian populace dying and to say "ok, clearly you have some issues, let's discuss this. How do you feel?" You do realize that Hamas is still firing rockets, right? It is not like there is one big button that will turn off the rockets. Disabling the rockets is the point of Israel's attacks. I'm aware. I'm saying that they are perfectly justified in that. Immediate action was required and they are taking it.

Jewish Darth Vader "Your mother and I find your lack of faith disturbing and would it kill you to call on the weekend and for the love of Abraham your sister's Bat Mitzvah is gonna be on Coruscant next week so don't you dare miss it!"

this thread depresses the fuck out of me

I heard an argument from someone on CNN that I felt summed things up nicely If, say, Canada started firing rockets into our northern states indiscriminately, we wouldn't waste time trying to sit down and talk to them nicely about it We would move first to disable the rocket-firing capabilities, which is what the public outcry would almost certainly want us to do And once people in Minnesota were no longer dying randomly, then we could have all the diplomatic talks necessary It's rather absurd to watch your civilian populace dying and to say "ok, clearly you have some issues, let's discuss this. How do you feel?" No, it's more like if we entered into a war with them and took 90% of their arable land and then demanded that the fighting stopped before we started talking about giving any of their territory back.

I heard an argument from someone on CNN that I felt summed things up nicely If, say, Canada started firing rockets into our northern states indiscriminately, we wouldn't waste time trying to sit down and talk to them nicely about it We would move first to disable the rocket-firing capabilities, which is what the public outcry would almost certainly want us to do And once people in Minnesota were no longer dying randomly, then we could have all the diplomatic talks necessary It's rather absurd to watch your civilian populace dying and to say "ok, clearly you have some issues, let's discuss this. How do you feel?" I dunno it would depend I mean Canada could get away with that for years if they just released a statement that said "oops" every time they did it. We wouldn't know any better. And Canada at least gets the benefit of the doubt here because we haven't been embroiled in a bloody, decades old war with them. If rockets were flying into the US from Canada, it's probably not government-endorsed. Canada's military would probably be the one taking the launchers out. It's just a bad analogy all around.

The various international treaties to which Israel is a part and has ratified indicate that defensive warfare should be conducted proportionate to the attack, meaning it should be exactly the amount of force required to eliminate the threat posed by future attacks. We're seeing the perverted response now because burning the Strip to the ground and leaving none alive is the only way to solve that problem militarily, and the Israeli government has no interest in dealing with the problem diplomatically. There is a false debate occurring which holds that wildly inaccurate rocket attacks against Israel are an inciting event, when the problem is that thousands upon thousands of people were forced from their homes to make way for the people who got fucked over by Germany. yeah... FUCK THE BRITISH!... er I mean not specifically... FUCK COLONIALISM... no wait wait... fuck all of western development. Your argument is what I'd like to call the... "I don't know shit about history and only pay attention to current events argument." Not only has Israel offered A LOT of land back to the Palestinian people... but they have offered them A LOT OF FUCKING LAND BACK... the reason that the Palestinians are stuck in the shit strip of land that they're in today, is because they said NO every time. Also seeing that Israel has thrived having become the State of Israel are you now saying "I want all the people in Israel to go and leave all their shit behind them (again) so that a bunch of people who have been committing terrorist acts can take all their stuff?" My senior thesis was a history of Iraq from 1918 to 2003. I know slightly more than "shit" about middle eastern history. When exactly was the offer you're referring to made? Because I'm remembering a lot more the bulldozers rolling over people's houses than I am the offers of shared space. Israel wants to be Jewish, and that means no Muslims... I see evander just backed up my argument of offers... but um I'd also like to point out that the above part of your statement seriously makes you look like a tool. Not only are there lots of Israeli's and Palestinians living in peace in Israel... but um... wait wasn't there a third religious group that lives in the land... I remember hundreds of years of huge wars fought IN ISRAEL between the Muslims and this group... anyone want to help me out here? What is this third party of people that is super peacefully living in Israel at the moment... edit: ok here's a big hint! Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler

I heard an argument from someone on CNN that I felt summed things up nicely If, say, Canada started firing rockets into our northern states indiscriminately, we wouldn't waste time trying to sit down and talk to them nicely about it We would move first to disable the rocket-firing capabilities, which is what the public outcry would almost certainly want us to do And once people in Minnesota were no longer dying randomly, then we could have all the diplomatic talks necessary It's rather absurd to watch your civilian populace dying and to say "ok, clearly you have some issues, let's discuss this. How do you feel?" I dunno it would depend I mean Canada could get away with that for years if they just released a statement that said "oops" every time they did it. We wouldn't know any better. And Canada at least gets the benefit of the doubt here because we haven't been embroiled in a bloody, decades old war with them. If rockets were flying into the US from Canada, it's probably not government-endorsed. Canada's military would probably be the one taking the launchers out. It's just a bad analogy all around. ok, cuba then firing rockets into florida most of 'em land in open fields and such some land in urban areas and some of those hurt or kill people but whenever a rocket is fired anywhere, people have a 15 seconds warning before they may or may not hit this goes on for 7-8 years while all is being done is reinforcing the sanctions on cuba this is hardly a perfect analogy, but it's a hell of a lot better than "Canada is attacking!"

I heard an argument from someone on CNN that I felt summed things up nicely If, say, Canada started firing rockets into our northern states indiscriminately, we wouldn't waste time trying to sit down and talk to them nicely about it We would move first to disable the rocket-firing capabilities, which is what the public outcry would almost certainly want us to do And once people in Minnesota were no longer dying randomly, then we could have all the diplomatic talks necessary It's rather absurd to watch your civilian populace dying and to say "ok, clearly you have some issues, let's discuss this. How do you feel?" No, it's more like if we entered into a war with them and took 90% of their arable land and then demanded that the fighting stopped before we started talking about giving any of their territory back. Again, you really have no idea about the history of the region. Palestine have not had "their own land" in a very long time, so it would be quite difficult for Israel to have taken it from them. Additionally, you seem to be ignoring the fact that there have been Jews living in that land as well for a VERY long time. To listen to you, you'd think that every single Israeli came over in a boat from Europe in 1948.