Do you object to people using asthma inhalers around you? do people use asthma inhalers that are made to look like cigarettes? It's the shape of a cylinder that bothers you, then?

So the visual appearance of a cigarette, minus any odor or life threatening emission, is enough to make it unusable? See, I don't smoke, but that just borders on intolerant. We should also ban people from eating unhealthy food in public, because... well... i dunno. Maybe I'll want a cheeseburger too. Again, why do you want to be a dick? You know, right up front, that other people are going to be concerned by that appearance. Why willfully create an issue when there didn't need to be one? I'm not advocating banning, I am saying that I will have no sympathy if some one gets kicked out of a place for it, because they should have known it would happen. If you really want a nic-fix without having to step outside, there are plenty of alternatives that don't look like you are smoking a cigarette; use one of those if you don't want an issue.

Would you guys go into the inner-city somewhere, and wear the wrong gang colors in the wrong neighborhood, just because you happen to like those colors and you should be free to do whatever you want? What point exactly are you trying to prove?

So the visual appearance of a cigarette, minus any odor or life threatening emission, is enough to make it unusable? See, I don't smoke, but that just borders on intolerant. We should also ban people from eating unhealthy food in public, because... well... i dunno. Maybe I'll want a cheeseburger too. Again, why do you want to be a dick? You know, right up front, that other people are going to be concerned by that appearance. Why willfully create an issue when there didn't need to be one? I'm not advocating banning, I am saying that I will have no sympathy if some one gets kicked out of a place for it, because they should have known it would happen. If you really want a nic-fix without having to step outside, there are plenty of alternatives that don't look like you are smoking a cigarette; use one of those if you don't want an issue. But the REASONS that it's socially unacceptable to not smoke indoors is because of second hand smoke, the smell, etc E cigs eliminate all of the reasons smoking indoors was banned in the first place. Given that it's not against the law, I can't help but think it's irrational to expect users of e cigarettes to adhere to the same rules that apply to real tobacco. Again one has to look at the REASONS for smoking being banned in most indoor locations ... it's because of the potential for adverse health risks to non smokers. If E Cigs eliminate those health risks, what's the problem then? Evander I get what you are saying ... it's become socially unacceptable to smoke around non smokers. Again though this is due to the health risks a smoker forces on non smokers. With E-cigs I personally feel that non smokers who feel uncomfortable around it really don't have a leg to stand on. The "smoke" (really a vapour) is oderless, there is no risk of second hand smoke inhalation. Seriously what's the big deal?

So if they were bright orange and the stupid LED was removed, and they removed the unnecessary coloration of the vapor... would you be fine with it? I am just curious at what point it has to not be a cigarette in appearance for people to be cool with it.

So if they were bright orange and the stupid LED was removed, and they removed the unnecessary coloration of the vapor... would you be fine with it? I am just curious at what point it has to not be a cigarette in appearance for people to be cool with it. You're already too busy trying to pick a fight to even realize who you are talking to. I don't have a personal issue with it. I'm an occasional smoker myself. What I've said is that if you take the thing in public, instead of the alternatives, despite the knowledge that it will probably bother other people, you're being a dick. If you are doing something that you don't have to be doing, even though you know tat it bothers other people, you're a dick.

So if they were bright orange and the stupid LED was removed, and they removed the unnecessary coloration of the vapor... would you be fine with it? I am just curious at what point it has to not be a cigarette in appearance for people to be cool with it. Funny you bring that up Syndalis. They actually DO make e cigs that very purposefully don't look like a "real" cigarette ... specifically for the reasons we're talking about (avoid confusion, etc) http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...eview-kit.html Well to be fair the larger e cigs have better battery life from what I've been reading ...

in the end, my feeling is that it is a little silly that said, if there was an e-hookah or an e-clove I'd probably be all over it, so I am basically a hypocrite. edit: FUCK! I noticed conversation about flavors on that forum. Bamelin, I am going to kill you.

I'm really not trying to pick a fight. I am more curious about the psychology of smokes = bad, people who smoke near me = bad, etc. that this brings to the surface. For instance, and in no way am I speaking of anyone (on this forum) the most zealous anti-smokers are usually ex-smokers, and I cannot help but think that they get so worked up because of the pleasure they are depriving themselves for whatever good reason they had to quit... and take it out harshly on others. If they can craft a cigarette that has no negative side effects to the people around you, and marginal side effects to the end user, and assists in the psychological part of the smokers' habit... I personally don't see the issue.

I'm really not trying to pick a fight. I am more curious about the psychology of smokes = bad, people who smoke near me = bad, etc. And, as I have said, I'm not the person to ask. I tend to gravitate INTO clouds of second hand smoke.

Are these just an extension of the plastic vapour delivery system they used to advertize -8-10 years ago? Anyone remember the ad with the guy sucking on the plastic pregnacy test stick while dring in the convertible? At any rate, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing these in bars, restaurants, etc... so long as they are never marketed to youth.

in the end, my feeling is that it is a little silly that said, if there was an e-hookah or an e-clove I'd probably be all over it, so I am basically a hypocrite. edit: FUCK! I noticed conversation about flavors on that forum. Bamelin, I am going to kill you. Oh yeah you can get tons of different flavours! Watermelon, strawberry, and many more. I've heard this site here has alot of good flavours available: http://www.crown7.com/ .

in the end, my feeling is that it is a little silly that said, if there was an e-hookah or an e-clove I'd probably be all over it, so I am basically a hypocrite. edit: FUCK! I noticed conversation about flavors on that forum. Bamelin, I am going to kill you. Oh yeah you can get tons of different flavours! Watermelon, strawberry, and many more. I've heard this site here has alot of good flavours available: http://www.crown7.com/ . So, are these flavors legal in areas where flavored cigarettes themselves are not? Because if this is legal here, that deals with my whole "cloves aren't legal in maryland" issue

My guess would be that it's an entirely grey area, probaly leaning more towards "currently legal", emphasis on "currently". They aren't cigarettes, or cloves or anything like that. They are "E Cigarettes" and aren't covered by any type of law right now that I can see.

My guess would be that it's an entirely grey area, probaly leaning more towards "currently legal", emphasis on "currently". They aren't cigarettes, or cloves or anything like that. They are "E Cigarettes" and aren't covered by any type of law right now that I can see. hmmm i may have to look a little deeper into this. how are flavors handled? is it a refillable compartment, or cartridges?

My guess would be that it's an entirely grey area, probaly leaning more towards "currently legal", emphasis on "currently". They aren't cigarettes, or cloves or anything like that. They are "E Cigarettes" and aren't covered by any type of law right now that I can see. hmmm i may have to look a little deeper into this. how are flavors handled? is it a refillable compartment, or cartridges? Refillable cartridge. But you can buy "juice" to refill the cartridges several times (I think). I'm new at this too, currently looking at multiple sites trying to decide which unit to buy. The Crown Seven one seems reliable but I'd much rather find a Canadian supplier if I can. Oh and Evandar I'm looking at the flavours right now -- Menthol, Vanilla Bean, Watermelon, Strawberry, Grape, Vanilla, Cherry, Espresso, Creamy Cream, Orange, Ginseng, Regular .... According to the site a 5 pack costs 10 bucks and each cartridge is equivlant to 2 packs of smokes.

E cigs eliminate all of the reasons smoking indoors was banned in the first place. Prove it.

E cigs eliminate all of the reasons smoking indoors was banned in the first place. Prove it. You don't smoke an e cig. How does a ban on indoor smoking affect it then?

Yeah, definitely going to stick to normal cigs. The carcinogens are what make them delicious.

E cigs eliminate all of the reasons smoking indoors was banned in the first place. Prove it. You don't smoke an e cig. How does a ban on indoor smoking affect it then? I could only pretend to stab my friend with a rubber knife in public, and he could only be 'bleeding' red corn syrup, but that doesn't mean that people wouldn't freak out as if someone was just murdered in broad daylight. Performing an action that looks exactly like smoking a cigarette in a location where smoking cigarettes is illegal is silly. I personally have no problem with you either using an e-cig that could not conceivably be confused with a real cigarette or using an e-cig anywhere where smoking is permitted, but not-smoking a not-cigarette indoors is just asking to get into an argument.

E cigs eliminate all of the reasons smoking indoors was banned in the first place. Prove it. You don't smoke an e cig. How does a ban on indoor smoking affect it then? I could only pretend to stab my friend with a rubber knife in public, and he could only be 'bleeding' red corn syrup, but that doesn't mean that people wouldn't freak out as if someone was just murdered in broad daylight. Performing an action that looks exactly like smoking a cigarette in a location where smoking cigarettes is illegal is silly. I personally have no problem with you either using an e-cig that could not conceivably be confused with a real cigarette or using an e-cig anywhere where smoking is permitted, but not-smoking a not-cigarette indoors is just asking to get into an argument. Yes, you are probably in for an argument, but it doesn't violate a smoking ban.

just because something technically isn't illegal doesn't make it a good idea

It seems to me that a bunch of people going to non-smoking areas with realistic-looking E-cigs and starting shit with people who thought they were actual cigarettes would probably be an extremely efficient way of getting them included in the ban.

I can't believe you people are actually arguing about this. Who cares if people start shit. I remember a long time ago (high school) a friend was having a party and somebody started rolling a cigarette. They said they didn't want people smoking weed there (parents and all that). Wouldn't that argument be the same? Oh god it LOOKS like that thing you can't do here! That's illegal! But quite frankly it isn't, it isn't the same thing at all. just because something technically isn't illegal doesn't make it a good idea Fuck that, it doesn't even effect you in the slightest. If I want to leave my house with a rainbow hat I damn well can.

How long do you think it's going to be until outrage and irritation over these eventually leads to someone attempting to make nicotene a scheduled drug? I hope it happens, as they'll have to modify the scheduling entirely to allow for it, and may re-evaluate the way some things are scheduled.