Greetings Fellow Traingoers! It's that magical time of year to start planning the 2009 West Coast Train Trip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJToC7jlvB8 Soooooo, without further ado this is latest trip info. What it is The West Coast Train Trip, or "PAXTrain" for short, is a coordinated effort for PAX-goers to ride the same train at the same time going up the western coast of the United States - both as an alternative to driving or flying, and to enjoy an intimate "mini-convention". It replaced the West Coast Supertrip in 2007. Why the train? Ask anyone who's flown, driven and taken the train up - the train was the best experience. We don't care if you're new - this ain't no private party, and all people going to PAX are welcome. We didn't even know anyone else in 2007 and have become fast friends. We invite you to join us! How to get on the PAXTrain We are riding Train #14 - Coast Starlight departing September 2nd, 2009. from California. If you are in Chico, CA or north, get on the same train, but on September 3rd, 2009. We're going back on Train #11 - Coast Starlight departing September 7th. PDF of the train schedule The following is a courtesy list of standard coach prices for the trip. The price for tickets will get higher the longer you wait, so buy as early as you can. Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler DEPARTS SEPT 2nd Los Angeles, CA (LAX) - $196 Departs 10:15am, Returns 9:00 PM Van Nuys, CA (VNC) - $196 Departs 10:47am, Returns 8:05pm Simi Valley, CA (SIM) - $196 Departs 11:23 am, Returns 7:38pm No ticket office (has a credit card kiosk), No checked baggage Oxnard, CA (OXN) - $196 Departs 11:55am, Returns 7:08pm Santa Barbara, CA (SBA) - $196 Departs 12:48pm, Returns 6:17pm San Luis Obispo, CA (SLO) - $192 Departs 3:43pm, Returns 3:20pm Paso Robles, CA (PRB) - $192 Departs 4:45pm, Returns 1:38pm No ticket office, No checked baggage Salinas, CA (SNS) - $192 Departs 6:36pm, Returns 11:48am San Jose, CA (SJC) - $190 Departs 8:39pm, Returns 9:55am Oakland - Jack London Square, CA (OKJ) - $184 Departs 9:47pm, Returns 8:35am Emeryville, CA (EMY) - $184 Departs 10:12pm, Returns 8:10am Martinez, CA (MTZ) - $178 Departs 10:54pm, Returns 7:34am Davis, CA (DAV) - $170 Departs 11:33pm, Returns 6:50am Sacramento, CA (SAC) - $168 Departs 11:59pm, Returns 6:35am STATIONS BELOW DEPART SEPT 3rd Chico, CA (CIC) - $146 Departs 1:55am, Returns 3:50am No ticket office, No checked baggage Redding, CA (RDD) - $138 Departs 3:14am, Returns 2:21am No ticket office, No checked baggage Dunsmuir, CA (DUN) - $126 Departs 5:04am, Returns 12:35am No ticket office, No checked baggage Klamath Falls, OR (KFS) - $108 Departs 8:25am, Returns 10:00pm Chemult, OR (CMO) - $94 Departs 9:40am, Returns 8:05pm No ticket office, No checked baggage Eugene, OR (EUG) - $92 Departs 12:44pm, Returns 5:10pm Albany, OR (ALY) - $82 Departs 1:30pm, Returns 4:10pm Salem, OR (SLM) - $72 Departs 2:03pm, Returns 3:37pm Portland, OR (PDX) - $56 Departs 4:20pm, Returns 1:50pm Vancouver, WA (VAN) - $54 Departs 4:36pm, Returns 1:08pm Kelso, WA (KEL) - $46 Departs 5:14pm, Returns 12:29pm No ticket office (has a credit card kiosk), No checked baggage Centralia, WA (CTL) - $38 Departs 5:57pm, Returns 11:45am No checked baggage for trip up, you can check bags for return trip. Lacey - Olympia, WA (OLW) - $28 Departs 6:22pm, Returns 11:21am No ticket office (has a credit card kiosk), No checked baggage Tacoma, WA (TAC) - $22 Departs 7:11pm, Returns 10:31am Stuff You Need You'll need to be prepared to survive on PAXTrain. Following is a list of stuff you probably should bring if you want to have a liveable experience on the rails. Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler You are allowed to carry on two bags, and check three (if you board at a station that allows checked baggage). We suggest checking a suitcase for your PAX supplies and packing a seperate carryon bag / backpack. This pack should contain personal effects and clothing, as well as everything else you think you'll need on the train. Earbuds and an eye mask. It is considered PAXTrain courtesy to be quiet in all coach areas, where people may be sleeping - but still, be prepared. If you're upstairs people will be walking through at all hours. A toothbrush and toothpaste, mouthwash, a comb, and if you need them, shaving razors and cream. No showers are provided for coach passengers, so if you're on the train for two days bring wipes or a sponge or something to wash the stank off in the bathroom sink the second day. Ignoring basic hygene highlights a disregard for your fellow gamers, who are great people who don't need to know what you smell like after two days without cleaning yourself in a cramped environment. Snacks. There is a snack cart and a dining car, but it's not cheap. You can save some money if you bring some food and water with you. Your meds. Nobody needs to see you off them. We also recommend the following items: A power strip. We plan on bringing power squids and some power strips, but there are never enough outlets. A handheld system - a Nintendo DS is the preferred item for wireless gaming. A PSP is welcome but has more of a personal role rather than multiplaying with the cool kids. A book for pleasure reading. We advise everyone to take a break from train festivities to "regroup", and read a book or listen to music. Headphones, preferrably a pair of earbuds rather than studio headphones, but to each his own. Cash. Dining with fellow PAXtrain goers is a good way to relax and get to know some people. Expect about one breakfast (from the snack cart), two lunches and two dinners with each trip (either from the snack cart or the dining car), each meal running about 10 dollars. The food in the private dining car isn't bad. Apart from that, bring spare cash for snacks or bring your own in your travel backpack. PAXtrain Gear People's willingness to bring their expensive toys to share is part of what makes PAXtrain such an awesome experience. Some of our needs are already met and addressed. Like last year, TNTrooper will provide a plethora of consoles to use, RCars2 will bring the networking equipment, and Transparent will bring his 26" television. Please understand that if you are joining up any later than San Jose, it may not be "worth it" for the train trip. We need supplies on the front as soon as we hit middle California, not before. If you want to assist us, here's what we need: Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler Power strips and extension cords. Power management becomes a problem on the train. If you can, grab something from home before you go, or go buy a cheapie power strip for 15-20 bucks. This seems small and unimportant, but it's the foundation of all of our operations! Card games. Bring your Magic deck, your Fluxx deck, your Curses deck, your WoWTCG deck, your Pokemon deck, or shit, even a Sailor Moon TCG deck, I don't care. Bring it. If you have a silly game that's easy to learn bring it, We didn't Playtest This was a big train hit last year. Fans. We are going to need at least two. An electric fan can reduce the temperature of a room by up to 10 degrees, the arcade cars will need them. Small but powerful portable fans are a boon. Television sets (optional). Small, lightweight affairs. Don't bring anything you can't afford to replace if it breaks, but don't bring some ancient monolith because you were planning on giving it to Goodwill anyways. If you're BYOC and have a big monitor that can double as a TV, we'd apprectiate you offering it's use for the good of the Party. One 22" BYOC monitor covered, and the 26" Vizio television from last year will make a reappearance. The arcade car has a (small) television if we need it. Extra TVs and monitors are optional, not a necessity. Consoles, mainly two Wiis and two XBoxes. Seeing as how we may have at most three televisions, having a million consoles seem redundant, and let's face facts - people are going to be getting the most into Smash Bros. Brawl and Rock Band. So one Wii and one XBox360 with a Rock Band Kit (with the DLC ON THE HARD DRIVE IT WAS PURCHASED ON) are all we need. TNTrooper has the hookup with a classic gaming setup, and is coordinating our console efforts. The network will be taken care of by RCars2 again this year. You win 10,000 internets if you bring snacks to share with everyone during the trip. Whatever it is, we don't care, as long as it isn't hilariously messy or unsafe. Please do not bring home-cooked goods - we have no way of knowning what's in your killer brownies, duuuuuude. This is all the essentials - if you want to burden yourself with bringing more, that's fine, but it's also window dressing. If you're thinking about bringing more shit and saying "I'll hook it up in my hotel later after PAX closes", you're so wrong - you should either be sleeping or heading to a bar or party, not going back to the hotel to play some video games. You just did that all day. TNTTrooper will be, as last year, providing a spread of classic games for use in Headquarters. There are not enough props in the world, but pass 'em to him anyways. The Rules We now have some rules on PAXTrain. They're simple. Don't sweat it. But if you break them, again we will be miffed and we'll find appropriate punishment for you. These rules mainly apply in Headquarters (the Arcade cars or obs deck) as that's where most of the magic happens. Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler Don't be a dick Just don't. Play nice, children. And if you don't like someone, don't start shit stirring and backtalk. Don't be an asshole to the train staff Train staffers are generally pretty cool and will let us do what we want with little explaination. Be nice to them, and if they tell you to do something, do it. Don't be a loud prick Other people may be sleeping in other cars. Or whatever. We usually sack the arcade car and half of the observation car as our Headquarters and keep it there - that muffles the sound pretty well, I've tested it, even when shouting. Still, noise discipline. Be quiet in the coach areas and sleeper cars, be polite in the dining cars and don't try to overrun the observation deck during the day if other people are using it. We try to keep the downstairs tables and the half with Don't be a freak to kids When kids are around, mind your tongue. Pretend Mommy's right behind you. Don't give anyone a reason to complain about PAXTrain. Don't get too hammered WE HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH THIS SO FAR AND I WANT TO KEEP IT THIS WAY. I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS, THERE'S NOBODY TO POINT THEM AT! Let's just keep it that way. We've never had any real problems, but vigiliance and diligence will be what keeps it that way. These rules are also loose guidelines more than anything so don't flaunt them or play the legalist. If you play the rules lawyer, we'll treat you like a rules lawyer. Anyone in gross violation of the rules or common decency won't be welcome at group festivities - you're now persona non grata and everyone hates your guts, and you're banned from PAXTrain events. Again, we've never actually had to do that! Everyone's been cool and has watched each other's back, kept everyone else in check and been real champions, doing their duty to assist their fellow gamers when they are falling out of line. We work better as a loosely organized motley band than as a full regiment. We've done terrific! Just keep diligent - we have a legacy to consider, and we want to keep good relations with Amtrak. How to drink your vodka straight Amtrak now has a policy against outside alcohol on the train. They probably just want to sell more of the overpriced stuff in the snack bar. We won't tell you what to bring or not bring, but know that the risks / consequences of bringing alcohol are your own, as we aren't condoning private stashes this year. Openly drinking your own stuff in public areas is discouraged. Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler The PAXTrain "staff" will be assessing the situation and reacting appropriately. We got some rookie drinkers on PAXTrain '07 (the only year Amtrak allowed outside booze). If you're new to drinking, we have some info for you right here to help you get in the swing of things - most vets already have some sort of system on how they handle the booze. Here are the four levels of inebriation as the apparatchiks will ID them: Not Drunk - You've had one, maybe two. You're not feeling it. Drink a little more, if you want, or not. Maybe you're just not a beer (or liquor) guy. You don't need to be drunk to enjoy PAXTrain. Most people weren't drunk at all last year. It's overblown how drunk we were. (Or I am cleaning our images up and rewriting history.) Buzzed - You've had a few and you're feeling pretty good. Bit of a headrush. Congrats - you're buzzed! Now slow down and enjoy it. Drink a bit after an hour to keep the buzz going. Don't feel like you need to drink a lot to look like a big man. Drunk - Congrats, you're drunk. Now sit your ass down. Being drunk is not a good thing. Lay off the booze and get some chips. A pro alcoholic can "maintain", cutting through his drunkenness and working with his lack of motor skills to help him calm down and get it out. Be careful - we'll try to help keep you quiet and unseen, but if the train guys spot you drunk, they can call the cops at the next stop and have you hauled off to the drunk tank. That means no Paxy Pax for you. Wasted - What the fuck is wrong with you? If you're clearly wasted we're throwing you out of PAXTrain events and the word will spread you're persona non grata. Go to the bathroom quietly and puke before the train personnel eject you from the train - and into the arms of the police, who will arrest you for being drunk in public. Anyone who is really wasted will be asked to leave the festivities - sit in your coach seat for a while and maintain. You wanna drink on the PAXTrain? Fine. Just don't be a little newb about it. Also remember: "You just want to be with that ugly bitch WHO ISN'T PRETTIER THAN ME!!!" (New Years party reference, this chick was a horrible drunk) If you've battled with depression before, you might wind up being an overemotional drunk. So unless you're certain you can maintain, if you feel weird about it then don't get drunk so you don't embarrass yourself. Don't feel pressured to drink more to seem hardcore. A pro alcoholic will tell you that a low alcohol tolerance is actually very good thing, and look back to the time when a few beers would buzz them as their salad days. Beer before liquor, never been sicker. Liquor before beer? You're in the clear. Be sure that you remember this rhyme, or else you'll wind up doing time - puking up your guts all over the stall, in the bathroom straight down the hall. Since we won't have a PAXtrain alcohol stash we can't exactly cut you off. Just remember if you're out of hand you'll be asked to go somewhere else until you can maintain. The Hot Spots - I'm Going off the Rails on this Crazy PAXTrain The majority of all PAXTrain activities happen in two locations: The coach car with the arcade room (which will likely be the home of Rock Band), and the Obseravtion Deck (which will be designated as the Obs Deck or simply as Obs). These areas are beehives of activity and the "home" of most of our console systems. We'll have to play it by ear, balancing the use of the arcade cars and observation car between PAX goers and the rest of the passengers took a little doing last year. Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler The Arcade Car(s): These are private rooms, allowing us to speak freely with no cause for the concerns of other passengers and is fairly soundproof, allowing us to get a little loud (not too loud). Here you can find our primary console setups. It is on the first story of a coach car, with no other passengers to heed, and has a luggage rack for storing our critical gear, a water dispenser for more drinkable cold water, and doors to exit in case of a smoke break. When the door opens to the arcade car, get quiet for a second until it closes; otherwise, speak away. Amtrak closes the arcade cars at 11pm The Obs Deck: Obs is a public area for all passengers. It was the only suitable area for us to use as the main areas of our activities on PAXtrain '08. We have to be conscious of the other passengers during the day, but last year we pretty much had it to ourselves at night. Obs has a large, spacious observation deck on the top floor with a number of private tables, benches and seats to view the countryside, use a laptop, play cards or do whatever, but due to the furniture it is not a good place to hold a mass congregation unless everyone sits down. The first floor of the obs deck has a commissary for buying snacks, drinks, booze and small meals. The prices are a little high, but not complete robbery - still, it's advisable to bring your own foodstuffs. Also on the first floor are more tables and furniture and more observation areas, we tried to leave this area open last year as we pretty much took up all the tables upstairs. Wireless connections will be set up and administrated from a table on the upper floor, you can take advantage of it from the whole obs car. At night, we appropriate obs for PAX-y uses, but it is still a public area, so don't be a total boor or drunkard. This is when we typically chill and watch movies. The Dining Car: The onboard restaurant of the train is pretty good. Or, at least it was last year. We are actively trying to have better arrangements with Amtrak this year, check back for news about the group purchase. Events We will be having the following events on PAXTrain: Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler Tournaments: TBD. At the very least there will be Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Rock Band 2, and D&D going on. Meals: Amtrak takes Lunch and Dinner reservations before meals happen. Find some people and make a reservation for four. It's a great way to commiserate with people in a more relaxed environment than the public areas. Movie Night: CURRENT FILM LIST: TBD. Do you have something you want to watch at night in the observation car? Bring it with you and / or let us know. Last year Dr. Horrible was the big hit of movie night.

Tomorrow I'll be working on getting the site we used for the contact list last year modified for use this year (i.e. people can add their info and what station they will be boarding at). I just discovered that you can link to amtrak.com with search terms in tact, I'm going to redo the station list with links to buy tickets at each one. Items for discussion: Events / Tournaments

Re Tournaments: I'll be holding a chess tournament as well, although the success of that depends on interest levels. Also, you should put something in the OP about round trip tickets. IF YOU PRINT ALL YOUR TICKETS ON THE TRIP UP, YOU MUST HOLD ON TO THEM FOR THE TRIP BACK! This is not like plane tickets, you don't get a new one on the way back. I found this out the hard way and had to purchase a new ticket for the return trip from Seattle. Put them in your wallet, or some other safe, hard-to-lose location, otherwise you'll be out $98.

I would be interested in chess. I'm not really very good, but I'd enjoy playing.

Man it feels good to have my tickets ready so early in the year.

Actually, the alcohol policy has been the same as long as I've been riding. No alcohol in public areas unless purchased on the train. This isn't so much to price gouge as it is to control how much alcohol coach passengers- who are sharing space with a carload of other people- are able to access. It's a variant of PAXtrain's "Don't be a dick" rule, because while we all know it's just good form, not everyone who purchases a train ticket does. Amtrak does not mess around with drunk and disorderly on the trains and while they've been pretty laid back toward us about it, they have been known to kick people off at random station or even between stations met by a police cruiser for being disruptive. That said, I've noticed a lot of people are going the sleeper route this year and 'private stock' is allowed to be consumed in "Sleeping car accommodations for which you hold a valid ticket." They pretty much assume if you drink it up in your room, you're probably going to sleep it off there as well.

And then I come out of no where, with my big bag of alcohol. Sharing the love to those in coach with me.

I did just fine with a 6 of pale ale at my seat. I didn't walk around with it and I didn't get pissed drunk either so I never became a target for the crew.

Sleeper car is definitely the route to go if you want your own alcohol. But it is very expensive.

need.. tax refund.. must get to PAX.... Hope all the hotels aren't sold out by then

Your card doesn't get charged for the hotel until you check in...

For some you have to lay down a deposit now. The Sheraton does that this year. I don't remember it last year, but I have a hold of $230 on my credit card now from my reservation.

Yeah, I knew that much. Don't even have the money for a deposit now

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh snap, it's that time again... Today I got to thinking, "You know... I wonder if PAX is doing pre-registrations yet? It is April..." and now look where I am. Hi again, PAXtrain people! My name is Jace, I got on in Sacramento last year. I had a big cooler full of Mountain Dew and Stella Artois. It was a blast. Arguably more fun than PAX itself. I spent a lot of time down in one of the arcade cars with Rock Band. I joined in on the PAX breakfast run the day after we got into Seattle and roomed with a few people from the train. I'm definitely, definitely taking the train up this year, and maybe back. I flew back last year, not sure if I made the right call or not. This year I plan on bringing: Munchkin with a few expansions Mechaton lego minis and rules Zombie Fluxx Street Fighter IV (360). I would love to get a SFIV tournament going on the train. Also, for movie night(s) I propose the following: The Big Lebowski Burn After Reading Bolt

Weren't you also the guy who had to repair his pants with duct tape?

I am interested in this train trip.

Scoota: If you have any question feel free to ask. Hope to see you on the train.

My girlfriend and I have been booked on this train since before trains were built. Incidentally I'm planning on bringing my Xbox and Rock Band with me so we'll prob'ly have a mini-tourny on the train, and my girlfriend and I both intend to enter the Rock Band tourny this year if PAX is doing one. With that in mind, we're looking for a RB Guitarist and Drummer for the tourny. Michelle will be on Vocals and I'm going to tear the shit out of the Bass with my Precision Bass controller.

Weren't you also the guy who had to repair his pants with duct tape? Yep, that was me. I'm proud to report that this year I'm bringing kevlar reinforced cargo shorts, and a roll of duct tape just in case. My girlfriend and I have been booked on this train since before trains were built. Incidentally I'm planning on bringing my Xbox and Rock Band with me so we'll prob'ly have a mini-tourny on the train, and my girlfriend and I both intend to enter the Rock Band tourny this year if PAX is doing one. With that in mind, we're looking for a RB Guitarist and Drummer for the tourny. Michelle will be on Vocals and I'm going to tear the shit out of the Bass with my Precision Bass controller. Stalefish is the resident drummer extraordinaire, but I'm pretty good, too. I'm also a good guitarist. I'm available for gigs if the groupies are of the right hair color.

Weren't you also the guy who had to repair his pants with duct tape? Yep, that was me. Greetings! Glad to see you're taking the train again, as it was a pleasure. Keeping up the tradition I'll be bringing some kind of treats, the watermelon worked out rather nicely last year since we were dying in the AC-less Obs Roaster, but in generally I think homemade beef jerky is a better bet. And both of those would be better than rice crispy treats, right?

My girlfriend and I have been booked on this train since before trains were built. Incidentally I'm planning on bringing my Xbox and Rock Band with me so we'll prob'ly have a mini-tourny on the train, and my girlfriend and I both intend to enter the Rock Band tourny this year if PAX is doing one. With that in mind, we're looking for a RB Guitarist and Drummer for the tourny. Michelle will be on Vocals and I'm going to tear the shit out of the Bass with my Precision Bass controller. Stalefish is the resident drummer extraordinaire, but I'm pretty good, too. I'm also a good guitarist. I'm available for gigs if the groupies are of the right hair color. Stalefish was in our Rock Band band last year - we were Dunno, and we made it all the way to the semi-finals. We were great, but we overplayed the stage antics in the semis and ended up screwing ourselves over. I'm hoping he's willing to be our Millionaire Girlfriend this year as well. If your guitar-playing skills allow you to rock out with your sexual organs dangling precariously out of your zipper then you're in.

My girlfriend and I have been booked on this train since before trains were built. Incidentally I'm planning on bringing my Xbox and Rock Band with me so we'll prob'ly have a mini-tourny on the train, and my girlfriend and I both intend to enter the Rock Band tourny this year if PAX is doing one. With that in mind, we're looking for a RB Guitarist and Drummer for the tourny. Michelle will be on Vocals and I'm going to tear the shit out of the Bass with my Precision Bass controller. Stalefish is the resident drummer extraordinaire, but I'm pretty good, too. I'm also a good guitarist. I'm available for gigs if the groupies are of the right hair color. Stalefish was in our Rock Band band last year - we were Dunno, and we made it all the way to the semi-finals. We were great, but we overplayed the stage antics in the semis and ended up screwing ourselves over. I'm hoping he's willing to be our Millionaire Girlfriend this year as well. If your guitar-playing skills allow you to rock out with your sexual organs dangling precariously out of your zipper then you're in. Oh hey, you're the British guy, right? I'm a horrible human being and I forget your name, but you were around. What if my sexual organs are less than impressive? I don't want to drag the band down...

Oh hey, you're the British guy, right? I'm a horrible human being and I forget your name, but you were around. There were at last two British guys on the train last year (also one Australian). I was the one with the red hair who sang the solos in Bohemian Rhapsody. The name's Ben - don't feel bad for forgetting my name. I'm terrible with names myself. What if my sexual organs are less than impressive? I don't want to drag the band down... It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it. Or so I'm told. But then I'm told a lot of things.

Oh hey, you're the British guy, right? I'm a horrible human being and I forget your name, but you were around. There were at last two British guys on the train last year (also one Australian). I was the one with the red hair who sang the solos in Bohemian Rhapsody. The name's Ben - don't feel bad for forgetting my name. I'm terrible with names myself. What if my sexual organs are less than impressive? I don't want to drag the band down... It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it. Or so I'm told. But then I'm told a lot of things. Ben! That's right. I wanted to call you Simon, but that's just because of that douche on American Idol and the fact that I lump all people with the same accent into the same category. How would I be using said organ in a Rock Band tourney? Is there some kind of technique in England that I'm not aware of?

My girlfriend and I have been booked on this train since before trains were built. Incidentally I'm planning on bringing my Xbox and Rock Band with me so we'll prob'ly have a mini-tourny on the train, and my girlfriend and I both intend to enter the Rock Band tourny this year if PAX is doing one. With that in mind, we're looking for a RB Guitarist and Drummer for the tourny. Michelle will be on Vocals and I'm going to tear the shit out of the Bass with my Precision Bass controller. Stalefish is the resident drummer extraordinaire, but I'm pretty good, too. I'm also a good guitarist. I'm available for gigs if the groupies are of the right hair color. Stalefish was in our Rock Band band last year - we were Dunno, and we made it all the way to the semi-finals. We were great, but we overplayed the stage antics in the semis and ended up screwing ourselves over. I'm hoping he's willing to be our Millionaire Girlfriend this year as well. If your guitar-playing skills allow you to rock out with your sexual organs dangling precariously out of your zipper then you're in. Oh, it's on. We'll need to somehow come up with an even more ambiguous name though.