Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler I have never seen this happen. You are acting like there is this deliberate effort to ruin the fun of the game by this shadowy cabal of team stackers who just constantly join the same team and roll the other team. This never happens. And again, I notice you seem to think it is more important that you and your team has fun then the other team has fun by playing with their friends. Is reinterpreting everything I say on this topic going to be the only thing you'll be doing? Because I never even implied stacking happens intentionally. In fact, whether it's intentional or not, well hey, look at this, I already said something about this! Whether the teams end up that way intentionally or not, the result is the same. One side has a string of easy wins and the other just gets punished. I really hate when people talk about conspiracies, too. Especially when I never actually say anything about them and people accuse me of doing so. A number of people on the PA servers play together a lot, right? As in play on the same server but not always on the same team. So if you take a group of them and throw them against a team which is half people who a)don't know what their doing and/or b)don't listen, then things go pretty horribly. Yes, cooperation solves most blocks in TF2. Except when you have a handful of players who don't cooperate and they're all on the same team. And frankly, I don't care if people play with their friends or not as long as doing so doesn't mean one team is great and one team ends up with all the new players. It only gets on my nerves when people think the PA servers are their own personal playground and their desire to play the same color as their friends is more important than not fucking over the team as far as talent goes. A scramble option takes care of all of those issues. If somebody playing with their friends upsets the balance of the entire game for hours, then tough, things get scrambled and everybody gets to have fun instead of the privileged few. If it's such a big deal, play on a pub server where you can stomp all over people and nobody will care. Also, those figures are amazing. If I had tons of cash, totally bought. getting destroyed round after round, map after map, because one team is full of people who play together constantly and the other has a half-dozen new players. If the enemy team is winning map after map because of team stacks as you claim happens, it's a reasonable conclusion that it's deliberate. But I've never seen it happen. These multiple map team stack rolling extravaganzas just don't happen. And again, you seem to be valuing you and your team's fun over the other team having fun. I'm not allowed to play to win because losing is unfun for you? I'm not allowed to play with friends because it's unfair for you?

edit: Fellhand, you would be amazed at the amount of times I've mentioned that "I would be happy to go medic if we had some classes that, ya know, could kill people" and folks listened to my plea and turned the tide of the game. Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler and it's an amazing large amount of times, not an amazingly few :p I guess I would be because I always get the team with 3 or 4 snipers, spies, engineers or scouts on offense. We'll have that and a single heavy or a single demo and one medic and then wonder why we can't make a push.

Here's a better group shot why do I have this overwhelming urge to roll for initiative.

Here's a better group shot why do I have this overwhelming urge to roll for initiative. This makes me really, really wants a Team Fortress table top game.

http://xzzy.org/files/games/tf2/july2009/staxorhax.jpg ha oh man duld is such a gay baby.

edit: Fellhand, you would be amazed at the amount of times I've mentioned that "I would be happy to go medic if we had some classes that, ya know, could kill people" and folks listened to my plea and turned the tide of the game. Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler and it's an amazing large amount of times, not an amazingly few :p I guess I would be because I always get the team with 3 or 4 snipers, spies, engineers or scouts on offense. We'll have that and a single heavy or a single demo and one medic and then wonder why we can't make a push. 3 scouts isn't that bad an idea for offence, if they're harassing medics moving up to the front, picking off stragglers and generally doing their jobs as scouts. Scouts who just run around and loldoublejump and FaN spam on the front line are lolworthy though, agreed.

Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler I have never seen this happen. You are acting like there is this deliberate effort to ruin the fun of the game by this shadowy cabal of team stackers who just constantly join the same team and roll the other team. This never happens. And again, I notice you seem to think it is more important that you and your team has fun then the other team has fun by playing with their friends. Is reinterpreting everything I say on this topic going to be the only thing you'll be doing? Because I never even implied stacking happens intentionally. In fact, whether it's intentional or not, well hey, look at this, I already said something about this! Whether the teams end up that way intentionally or not, the result is the same. One side has a string of easy wins and the other just gets punished. I really hate when people talk about conspiracies, too. Especially when I never actually say anything about them and people accuse me of doing so. A number of people on the PA servers play together a lot, right? As in play on the same server but not always on the same team. So if you take a group of them and throw them against a team which is half people who a)don't know what their doing and/or b)don't listen, then things go pretty horribly. Yes, cooperation solves most blocks in TF2. Except when you have a handful of players who don't cooperate and they're all on the same team. And frankly, I don't care if people play with their friends or not as long as doing so doesn't mean one team is great and one team ends up with all the new players. It only gets on my nerves when people think the PA servers are their own personal playground and their desire to play the same color as their friends is more important than not fucking over the team as far as talent goes. A scramble option takes care of all of those issues. If somebody playing with their friends upsets the balance of the entire game for hours, then tough, things get scrambled and everybody gets to have fun instead of the privileged few. If it's such a big deal, play on a pub server where you can stomp all over people and nobody will care. Also, those figures are amazing. If I had tons of cash, totally bought. getting destroyed round after round, map after map, because one team is full of people who play together constantly and the other has a half-dozen new players. If the enemy team is winning map after map because of team stacks as you claim happens, it's a reasonable conclusion that it's deliberate. But I've never seen it happen. These multiple map team stack rolling extravaganzas just don't happen. And again, you seem to be valuing you and your team's fun over the other team having fun. I'm not allowed to play to win because losing is unfun for you? I'm not allowed to play with friends because it's unfair for you? Disingenuous argument alert.

Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler I have never seen this happen. You are acting like there is this deliberate effort to ruin the fun of the game by this shadowy cabal of team stackers who just constantly join the same team and roll the other team. This never happens. And again, I notice you seem to think it is more important that you and your team has fun then the other team has fun by playing with their friends. Is reinterpreting everything I say on this topic going to be the only thing you'll be doing? Because I never even implied stacking happens intentionally. In fact, whether it's intentional or not, well hey, look at this, I already said something about this! Whether the teams end up that way intentionally or not, the result is the same. One side has a string of easy wins and the other just gets punished. I really hate when people talk about conspiracies, too. Especially when I never actually say anything about them and people accuse me of doing so. A number of people on the PA servers play together a lot, right? As in play on the same server but not always on the same team. So if you take a group of them and throw them against a team which is half people who a)don't know what their doing and/or b)don't listen, then things go pretty horribly. Yes, cooperation solves most blocks in TF2. Except when you have a handful of players who don't cooperate and they're all on the same team. And frankly, I don't care if people play with their friends or not as long as doing so doesn't mean one team is great and one team ends up with all the new players. It only gets on my nerves when people think the PA servers are their own personal playground and their desire to play the same color as their friends is more important than not fucking over the team as far as talent goes. A scramble option takes care of all of those issues. If somebody playing with their friends upsets the balance of the entire game for hours, then tough, things get scrambled and everybody gets to have fun instead of the privileged few. If it's such a big deal, play on a pub server where you can stomp all over people and nobody will care. Also, those figures are amazing. If I had tons of cash, totally bought. getting destroyed round after round, map after map, because one team is full of people who play together constantly and the other has a half-dozen new players. If the enemy team is winning map after map because of team stacks as you claim happens, it's a reasonable conclusion that it's deliberate. But I've never seen it happen. These multiple map team stack rolling extravaganzas just don't happen. And again, you seem to be valuing you and your team's fun over the other team having fun. I'm not allowed to play to win because losing is unfun for you? I'm not allowed to play with friends because it's unfair for you? Disingenuous argument alert. The way he phrased it is as if there's a group of 4-6 people who just joined the same team map after map and caused a steam roll every time. It's entirely possible you have a bad couple of maps where you are on the losing team (and that can definitely be frustrating), but he's acting like it's a complete and utter steam roll every single map, and that it's specifically caused by these team stackers? No, that doesn't happen.

It doesn't have to be perpetual steamroll to be subtlely grating. It's not like this is new or anything, but the latest bout of Duld's gaggle of kritz medics seems worse than most occurrences. Even if it's a competitive game there is a collective sigh because of the complete and thorough banality it has become.

One recent thing that's been getting me annoyed is when medics get all huffy about healing people that always seem to be at low HP. For example, I'm a pyro that runs out, catches a couple people on fire, and runs away. I live, but my HP bar is almost gone. As in, 1 hp left. As a frequent medic player, I'd look at the pyro and think "oh god, I hope he lives to get over to me so I can get my uber charged that much faster for the heavy to break the front lines" but I've been getting "god damn it, go get the health pack or something, stop yelling for a medic." Is it just me, am I really being that annoying that instead of grabbing a health pack, I'd rather the medic take his beam off the heavy that's not even doing anything for a few seconds instead of wasting 174 hp worth of super charge on an uber? I dunno, it's just seemed really stupid to me not to swap to low hp targets when there's no enemies around or when trying to break through a nest.

The medic is just an awful human being and you should kill them at every opportunity regardless of their team affiliation. But it is nice when people at least grab some pills if they're right there and all, particularly if there are several nearly dead people around at the same time.

One recent thing that's been getting me annoyed is when medics get all huffy about healing people that always seem to be at low HP. For example, I'm a pyro that runs out, catches a couple people on fire, and runs away. I live, but my HP bar is almost gone. As in, 1 hp left. As a frequent medic player, I'd look at the pyro and think "oh god, I hope he lives to get over to me so I can get my uber charged that much faster for the heavy to break the front lines" but I've been getting "god damn it, go get the health pack or something, stop yelling for a medic." Is it just me, am I really being that annoying that instead of grabbing a health pack, I'd rather the medic take his beam off the heavy that's not even doing anything for a few seconds instead of wasting 174 hp worth of super charge on an uber? I dunno, it's just seemed really stupid to me not to swap to low hp targets when there's no enemies around or when trying to break through a nest. I can only speak for myself as a medic, but I do try to heal everyone possible unless I'm about to use an uber on someone. So yeah, I'd say you're right.

One recent thing that's been getting me annoyed is when medics get all huffy about healing people that always seem to be at low HP. For example, I'm a pyro that runs out, catches a couple people on fire, and runs away. I live, but my HP bar is almost gone. As in, 1 hp left. As a frequent medic player, I'd look at the pyro and think "oh god, I hope he lives to get over to me so I can get my uber charged that much faster for the heavy to break the front lines" but I've been getting "god damn it, go get the health pack or something, stop yelling for a medic." Is it just me, am I really being that annoying that instead of grabbing a health pack, I'd rather the medic take his beam off the heavy that's not even doing anything for a few seconds instead of wasting 174 hp worth of super charge on an uber? I dunno, it's just seemed really stupid to me not to swap to low hp targets when there's no enemies around or when trying to break through a nest. that medic is retarded.

hey guys let's play some tufftoo

As a medic, if someone grabs that fucking health pack when I'm standing right fucking there I'm liable to yell/angrily mutter WELL THANKS NOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PRYO TAGS ME WITH THE FLARE GUN YOU RAGING COCKMONGLER?

I know I've said something like "Every time I turn around you're half-dead! What's wrong with you?!" to people, but it's mostly in jest. Especially when you're the one Medic on the team, it can get overwhelming to be surrounded by tiny little red health bars and trying to figure out who to heal first.

I know I've said something like "Every time I turn around you're half-dead! What's wrong with you?!" to people, but it's mostly in jest. Especially when you're the one Medic on the team, it can get overwhelming to be surrounded by tiny little red health bars and trying to figure out who to heal first. I feel like this playing scout. I might as well bind the medic call to mouse1.

If I'm playing Medic, the only time I won't actively be healing everyone within reach is if I'm attached to a person I want to keep pushing forward and combat is clearly imminent. Otherwise, free heals for everybody. I know from personal experience how aggravating it is to constantly encounter overhealed players and try to share the fun with other players.

I know I've said something like "Every time I turn around you're half-dead! What's wrong with you?!" to people, but it's mostly in jest. Especially when you're the one Medic on the team, it can get overwhelming to be surrounded by tiny little red health bars and trying to figure out who to heal first. man that is me so hard mostly due to frivolous rocketjumping

I know I've said something like "Every time I turn around you're half-dead! What's wrong with you?!" to people, but it's mostly in jest. Especially when you're the one Medic on the team, it can get overwhelming to be surrounded by tiny little red health bars and trying to figure out who to heal first. Pretty well this. If you are the only medic on a team it means you will usually have a good 7 or so offensive classes to take care of. (Granted this can vary, but Usually you only have 4 snipers, spies and engis, and 7 soldiers, demos, heavys and scouts if you are the only medic). It doesnt hurt to run back a litte and grab a kit, it will cut the medic a break as thats one less person he has to worry about, and you can more often the not get back to fighting quicker, rather then waiting for him to heal everyone else and evuntally get to you. Medics have their priorities and such, gota remember that.

edit: Fellhand, you would be amazed at the amount of times I've mentioned that "I would be happy to go medic if we had some classes that, ya know, could kill people" and folks listened to my plea and turned the tide of the game. Spoiler: show spoiler hide spoiler and it's an amazing large amount of times, not an amazingly few :p I guess I would be because I always get the team with 3 or 4 snipers, spies, engineers or scouts on offense. We'll have that and a single heavy or a single demo and one medic and then wonder why we can't make a push. 3 scouts isn't that bad an idea for offence, if they're harassing medics moving up to the front, picking off stragglers and generally doing their jobs as scouts. Scouts who just run around and loldoublejump and FaN spam on the front line are lolworthy though, agreed. 3 scouts is a subpar ubder/kritz target. I guess my problem is that of late there are not enough offensive classes to uber where something can get done. People always want that second medic, but without a second offensive class it's pretty useless.

You should uber me because I still need that scout achievement

As a medic, if someone grabs that fucking health pack when I'm standing right fucking there I'm liable to yell/angrily mutter WELL THANKS NOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PRYO TAGS ME WITH THE FLARE GUN YOU RAGING COCKMONGLER? I just make sure to never heal those people ever. That or uber them then the second they round the corner switch to my medigun and FLEEEE leaving them to die muhahaha

Hey, not to divert from the current discussion, but I wanted to ask an unrelated question. A few pages ago I complained about my new internet being noticeably laggier than my old connection. Another poster replied "Payload world -1". Is that a console command? I apologize for my ignorance, but I'm not that familiar with the steam console commands, and I'm at work so I can't check. Clarification would be appreciated.

You should uber me because I still need that scout achievement I have never seen anybody get this or the corresponding medic achievement.