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Physics: kinematics in one dimension.

Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better.Registered User regular
edited September 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Okay, here's a quick question. I'm pretty sure my logic is correct, but I just need to be certain.

The question in the book is basically something like this:

"A rocket is launched straight up with a constant acceleration. After 16 seconds the rocket is turned off. After 20 seconds, the rocket is now at 5100m. What is the acceleration during the first 16 seconds of the rocket?"

I'm not concerned about the math part of this problem, but problem is with my logic behind my answer.

Basically, what I did is draw two motion diagram. One with the rocket on, and the other with the rocket off.

Then, I realized that I know the acceleration, the change in time, and a final position for when the rocket is off.

Knowing those variables, I set my initial position as '0m' and solved for my initial velocity.

Now this is where my doubts come in. Can I set my initial position as 0m, even though it isn't really 0m when the rocket is turned off?

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  • eternalbleternalbl Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'm no physicist, but from what I remember of taking it, wouldn't you need to start at 0 to solve the problem, using the 4 seconds of negative acceleration to determine the height of the rocket when it turned off. Then use that height over time to find the answer?

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    It seems like you are missing some variables you would need to solve this.

    It seems like making your initial position at t(16) 0 and solving for intial velocity would work, but the 5100 is your only distance number so you'd need some other variables.

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  • shadydentistshadydentist Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The way I read the question, it implies that the initial velocity and position is zero. So since you know the change in distance (5100m) and the change in time (20 sec), you know the average velocity. You also know that for the first 16 seconds, its accellerating at some unknown accelleration 'a', and for the next 4 seconds it is decelerated at a constant 9.8m/s^2 due to gravity.

    Using the equation distance=initial position + (initial velocity)*time + (1/2)(acceleration)*time^2, solve for 'a'.

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Dyscord wrote: »
    It seems like you are missing some variables you would need to solve this.

    It seems like making your initial position at t(16) 0 and solving for intial velocity would work, but the 5100 is your only distance number so you'd need some other variables.

    Well, I was quickly summarizing the question from the book. This is what I did and my equation is:

    5100m = 0 +Vi(4s) + (1/2)(g)(4.0s)^2

    vi being my initial velocity.

    Then I used the value of my initial velocity to find acceleration for the first 16 seconds by setting the initial velocity when the rocket is off, as my final velocity when the rocket is on.

    Is my reasoning correct? I can't look up the answer.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    oh you are not considering friction at all

    duh

    shadydentist's reasoning (which is really your reasoning) seems right to me

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Ah yeah, sorry. I guess it would have been important to mention that air resistance is not taking in consideration.

    Anyways, that really boosted my confidence. Thanks y'all.

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  • PrimePrime UKRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Not sure if you need to take into account that due to the nature of how a rocket works you would actually have an increasing accel and not a constant one over those 16sec due to the fact that its getting lighter the more fuel it burns but would have the same force behind it until turned off or runs out of fuel.

    F(orce) = m(ass) x a(ccel)

    so

    a = F/m.

    A decrease in "m" makes "a" higher over time.

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  • garroad_rangarroad_ran Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    "A rocket is launched straight up with a constant acceleration. After 16 seconds the rocket is turned off. After 20 seconds, the rocket is now at 5100m. What is the acceleration during the first 16 seconds of the rocket?"

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  • PrimePrime UKRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Ah then ignore the above :lol:
    although it should be fixed :P
    "An object is launched straight up with a constant acceleration.

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