I can't really think of anyone at DC who I'd want to take over Power Girl. I'd have expected them to put Simone on the book, because of, y'know, boobs, but it sounds like she's going to have a full workload coming up. Robinson, maybe?
Maybe Giffen or DeMatteis? They wrote her during JLE, and are generally known as the funny writers at DC.
The bigger question is who could match Conner on art. I can think of some independent guys that could do it. Maybe Mike Norton, but he just took over Billy Batson. Or Kevin Maguire. Of course, that's only a consideration if the writers want to continue with the light, funny tone its had up until now.
I can't really think of anyone at DC who I'd want to take over Power Girl. I'd have expected them to put Simone on the book, because of, y'know, boobs, but it sounds like she's going to have a full workload coming up. Robinson, maybe?
Robinson writing a female character full-time? Sounds like a winning formula to me...
I'll be surprised if Power Girl reaches #24 after this news, though I'm not sure how well it was selling anyway. Amanda Conner really made the book what it was.
"I've heard comics creator say this: 'I can't believe in Superman because nobody would be that good.' It's like, God, what a sad life you must live. This whole practiced, disconnected, ironic, I'm-so-savvy — God, man, what part of you died when you turned 12?"
"I've heard comics creator say this: 'I can't believe in Superman because nobody would be that good.' It's like, God, what a sad life you must live. This whole practiced, disconnected, ironic, I'm-so-savvy — God, man, what part of you died when you turned 12?"
I think some people say "good" when they mean "infallible".
He seems infallible most of the time. He certainly fucks up less often than Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Captain America, The X-Men, and any other major hero who comes to my mind.
And when he does fuck up, it generally comes off as someone trying to make a point about the character rather than something he'd logically do. For instance, I don't think he would have reacted to Max Lord's death the way he did, since he's self-conscious about his power and therefore aware that death is an acceptable way to stop him from going out of control. Hell, that's why he gave Bruce the Kryptonite ring, one of the only things on Earth that can kill him. The fact that Superman thinks someone should be able to kill him is, itself, an admission that killing is sometimes necessary.
Just the same, someone needed to take Superman down a peg, so the story allowed that to happen.
A few months later, though, was Superman any less perfect after that happened than he was before it happened? No. That's because while he sometimes displays shortcomings, being less than perfect is simply not in the fabric of the character. He represents an ideal, not a complete human.
He's pretty infallible. He certainly fucks up less often than Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Captain America, The X-Men, and any other major hero who comes to my mind.
And New Krypton doesn't count, because everyone is stupid in that.
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He seems infallible most of the time. He certainly fucks up less often than Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Captain America, The X-Men, and any other major hero who comes to my mind.
And when he does fuck up, it generally comes off as someone trying to make a point about the character rather than something he'd logically do. For instance, I don't think he would have reacted to Max Lord's death the way he did, since he's self-conscious about his power and therefore aware that death is an acceptable way to stop him from going out of control. Hell, that's why he gave Bruce the Kryptonite ring, one of the only things on Earth that can kill him. The fact that Superman thinks someone should be able to kill him is, itself, an admission that killing is sometimes necessary.
Just the same, someone needed to take Superman down a peg, so the story allowed that to happen.
A few months later, though, was Superman any less perfect after that happened than he was before it happened? No. That's because while he sometimes displays shortcomings, being less than perfect is simply not in the fabric of the character. He represents an ideal, not a complete human.
The trick with Superman is to not make him (superman at least) more human, but to raise the stories he participates in to being extraordinary.
And when it comes to killing, ideally Superman accepts that while he won't kill and strongly discourages other heroes to do so, he accepts that they have to sometimes because not everyone is him. He doesn't have to kill because he has the ability to be everywhere (for the most part). The only reason he killed Zod long ago was because it was in accordance with Kryptonian law, and he was at a point where he was trying to balance his krypton/earth heritage.
He seems infallible most of the time. He certainly fucks up less often than Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Captain America, The X-Men, and any other major hero who comes to my mind.
And when he does fuck up, it generally comes off as someone trying to make a point about the character rather than something he'd logically do. For instance, I don't think he would have reacted to Max Lord's death the way he did, since he's self-conscious about his power and therefore aware that death is an acceptable way to stop him from going out of control. Hell, that's why he gave Bruce the Kryptonite ring, one of the only things on Earth that can kill him. The fact that Superman thinks someone should be able to kill him is, itself, an admission that killing is sometimes necessary.
Just the same, someone needed to take Superman down a peg, so the story allowed that to happen.
A few months later, though, was Superman any less perfect after that happened than he was before it happened? No. That's because while he sometimes displays shortcomings, being less than perfect is simply not in the fabric of the character. He represents an ideal, not a complete human.
See, that's my problem with him as a character, and it's the same with Wonder Woman, in that they are more ideals than they are real people. He seems to have very little personality that I can really get behind other than he is a hero, it defines everything about him but there's nothing else that interests me. That's just me of course but Superman just seems a little two-dimensional, he's too perfect, too idealised for my tastes.
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I'm really, really starting to hate DC and their crusade against Green Arrow. Fucker thought he killed his best friend to save the universe (Zero Hour), died himself, came back, had a son that he had to go through hell to come to terms with, has a sidekick that has HIV, got to be mayor and all that turned to shit, finally got it together to marry Black Canary and gets replaced by a doppelganger on the wedding night, gets kidnapped by Amazons, when he gets rescued his son gets attacked and seriously injured, and after allllll of that has his city get fucked up, his granddaughter and 80 THOUSAND people die, his other son gets his arm ripped off (And it was his daughter that died)...
And GA kills the guy responsible for that and a thousand other atrocities, and who has escaped time and time again and nearly defeated and killed the entire JLA on several occasions. And what happens?
NOW HE'S THE BAD GUY? Fuck that. I'm so incredibly tired of this holier than thou hero thing where they don't kill the villian. If you let the Joker live, knowing FULL WELL that he'll escape and kill again, then you're not a hero, you're a fucking accomplice. Not to mention just over in Blackest Night they're having no problem killing the agents of death and making sure they never rise again. Hell, in Marvel land the Sentry ripped Carnage in half and let him float in space in the first New Avengers comic, and he STILL is up there. Nobody wanted his head on a platter.
Good for GA. Making him a hunted villian now makes the rest of the DC universe look like a joke. No wonder Marvel has been outselling their shit for years.
A good twist would have been for Green Arrow to have been legally empowered to kill Prometheus. For heroes who always talk about how they, "Don't have the right," it'd be interesting to see how they react once they realize that right can be bestowed upon them.
Ollie killed like 5 people per issue when Grell was was writing the book. I wish someone would just acknowledge that fantastic run.
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Thanks to Infinite Crisis that time period can be erased, which again points to IC being a cheap line item veto basically. At least COIE gave a clean break.
Thanks to Infinite Crisis that time period can be erased, which again points to IC being a cheap line item veto basically. At least COIE gave a clean break.
I figured that was the case. I read and enjoy certain DC titles, but I just can't into them and figure out what is and isn't continuity anymore.
Thanks to Infinite Crisis that time period can be erased, which again points to IC being a cheap line item veto basically. At least COIE gave a clean break.
I figured that was the case. I read and enjoy certain DC titles, but I just can't into them and figure out what is and isn't continuity anymore.
Meh. Marvel is just as bad. I find all things X-Men to be incredibly convoluted and confusing. Basically, maintaining a perfect continuity is impossible on a serialized book that rotates creative teams as often as mainstream comics do.
Every writer has their own ideas and its just as easy to accept all things as being in continuity as only select things.
People like to bitch about Geoff Johns and his retcons around here a lot, but personally, I really enjoy reading Johns' stories and there's no denying that he's pulled the Green Lantern franchise out of the crapper and turned it into one of the main flagship titles of DC.
Seems like this whole thing was done to put Green Arrow back to street-level fatal vigilante.
Wait, how is shooting people with arrows supposed to combat endemic corruption on the part of government and corporations? Is Green Arrow just going to start killing CEOs, lobbyists, and politicians as well?
Winick could go either way; I imagine this would be in line with his exiles days. I have no idea who Basri is; apparently rather new to the fold, but I am not sure how well that art will fit.
Seems like this whole thing was done to put Green Arrow back to street-level fatal vigilante.
Wait, how is shooting people with arrows supposed to combat endemic corruption on the part of government and corporations? Is Green Arrow just going to start killing CEOs, lobbyists, and politicians as well?
Only in a Brian Wood comic would he do that.
I'm more annoyed with how you have Green Arrow in his normal outfit, then when he goes "dark" he wears the robin hood over his head. We can still see you, silly goose. You're still wearing green, you aren't any less colorful or intimidating.
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The concept actually sounds interesting, a hospital designed to help with the metas in the regular DCU, both heroes and villains. And it reads like it will be a premier OGN similar to JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice and WW: The Hiketia.
The only thing a bit off about it is being in Gotham, instead of maybe finding somewhere else to be in a DC America, like maybe a Kansas or Nebraska (like, when you deal with someone who has the power to nuke stuff like Captain Atom, it would be safer to have the hospital be somewhere not in a densely populated area).
Also, one of the characters is a Stephen Montoya, so he's probably a lesbian too hyuck hyuck.
Winick could go either way; I imagine this would be in line with his exiles days. I have no idea who Basri is; apparently rather new to the fold, but I am not sure how well that art will fit.
That cover certainly looks nice, but I share your concerns. It doesn't seem like a style that fits the comedic tone of the current Power Girl. And, honestly, I want it to stay lighthearted. DC has enough SERIOUS BUSINESS! titles right now.
Whatever, I just get so tired of the heroic standard of "Can't kill the bad guy!" I'm also tired of continuing to drag heroes through the muck like this. Clark and Lois have been happily married for years, save the stupidity of having him off world. Oliver JUST got married and there's been nothing but angst and shit befouling his life, including a random insane girl that is obsessed with him. I'm sure this dark avenger crap will end the marriage.
Kind of thing annoys me over in Marvel with Spidey, but at least he is either constantly getting laid by insanely hot women (Roommate! Black FUCKING Cat!) or being lusted over by them (Reporter chick he hangs around with).
What's wrong with heroes being happy for once?
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The two Red Circle books (The Shield and The Web) are finally canceled at #10 for each of them.
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Also, there were no adorable children of superheroes there to kill for shock value.
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The bigger question is who could match Conner on art. I can think of some independent guys that could do it. Maybe Mike Norton, but he just took over Billy Batson. Or Kevin Maguire. Of course, that's only a consideration if the writers want to continue with the light, funny tone its had up until now.
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Cops aren't allowed to murder in cold blood. Cops are allowed to use lethal force to diffuse a dangerous situation if absolutely necessary.
And Mike Norton is now on Billy Batson? So he's off Green Arrow too then (I think he can do 2 books)?
Robinson writing a female character full-time? Sounds like a winning formula to me...
I'll be surprised if Power Girl reaches #24 after this news, though I'm not sure how well it was selling anyway. Amanda Conner really made the book what it was.
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And while I'm not a big Rucka fan, I loved this line:
I think some people say "good" when they mean "infallible".
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
He seems infallible most of the time. He certainly fucks up less often than Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Iron Man, Captain America, The X-Men, and any other major hero who comes to my mind.
And when he does fuck up, it generally comes off as someone trying to make a point about the character rather than something he'd logically do. For instance, I don't think he would have reacted to Max Lord's death the way he did, since he's self-conscious about his power and therefore aware that death is an acceptable way to stop him from going out of control. Hell, that's why he gave Bruce the Kryptonite ring, one of the only things on Earth that can kill him. The fact that Superman thinks someone should be able to kill him is, itself, an admission that killing is sometimes necessary.
Just the same, someone needed to take Superman down a peg, so the story allowed that to happen.
A few months later, though, was Superman any less perfect after that happened than he was before it happened? No. That's because while he sometimes displays shortcomings, being less than perfect is simply not in the fabric of the character. He represents an ideal, not a complete human.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
And New Krypton doesn't count, because everyone is stupid in that.
The trick with Superman is to not make him (superman at least) more human, but to raise the stories he participates in to being extraordinary.
And when it comes to killing, ideally Superman accepts that while he won't kill and strongly discourages other heroes to do so, he accepts that they have to sometimes because not everyone is him. He doesn't have to kill because he has the ability to be everywhere (for the most part). The only reason he killed Zod long ago was because it was in accordance with Kryptonian law, and he was at a point where he was trying to balance his krypton/earth heritage.
See, that's my problem with him as a character, and it's the same with Wonder Woman, in that they are more ideals than they are real people. He seems to have very little personality that I can really get behind other than he is a hero, it defines everything about him but there's nothing else that interests me. That's just me of course but Superman just seems a little two-dimensional, he's too perfect, too idealised for my tastes.
You say that like it's a bad thing, Hensler.
See, Superman is Mark Waid Captain America all the time, 24/7, mixed with a bit of Ka-Zar and Avengers West Coast.
That's why he's super, man. Like the Skee-lo song.
And GA kills the guy responsible for that and a thousand other atrocities, and who has escaped time and time again and nearly defeated and killed the entire JLA on several occasions. And what happens?
NOW HE'S THE BAD GUY? Fuck that. I'm so incredibly tired of this holier than thou hero thing where they don't kill the villian. If you let the Joker live, knowing FULL WELL that he'll escape and kill again, then you're not a hero, you're a fucking accomplice. Not to mention just over in Blackest Night they're having no problem killing the agents of death and making sure they never rise again. Hell, in Marvel land the Sentry ripped Carnage in half and let him float in space in the first New Avengers comic, and he STILL is up there. Nobody wanted his head on a platter.
Good for GA. Making him a hunted villian now makes the rest of the DC universe look like a joke. No wonder Marvel has been outselling their shit for years.
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I figured that was the case. I read and enjoy certain DC titles, but I just can't into them and figure out what is and isn't continuity anymore.
Meh. Marvel is just as bad. I find all things X-Men to be incredibly convoluted and confusing. Basically, maintaining a perfect continuity is impossible on a serialized book that rotates creative teams as often as mainstream comics do.
Every writer has their own ideas and its just as easy to accept all things as being in continuity as only select things.
People like to bitch about Geoff Johns and his retcons around here a lot, but personally, I really enjoy reading Johns' stories and there's no denying that he's pulled the Green Lantern franchise out of the crapper and turned it into one of the main flagship titles of DC.
Seems like this whole thing was done to put Green Arrow back to street-level fatal vigilante.
Wait, how is shooting people with arrows supposed to combat endemic corruption on the part of government and corporations? Is Green Arrow just going to start killing CEOs, lobbyists, and politicians as well?
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Winick could go either way; I imagine this would be in line with his exiles days. I have no idea who Basri is; apparently rather new to the fold, but I am not sure how well that art will fit.
Only in a Brian Wood comic would he do that.
I'm more annoyed with how you have Green Arrow in his normal outfit, then when he goes "dark" he wears the robin hood over his head. We can still see you, silly goose. You're still wearing green, you aren't any less colorful or intimidating.
The concept actually sounds interesting, a hospital designed to help with the metas in the regular DCU, both heroes and villains. And it reads like it will be a premier OGN similar to JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice and WW: The Hiketia.
The only thing a bit off about it is being in Gotham, instead of maybe finding somewhere else to be in a DC America, like maybe a Kansas or Nebraska (like, when you deal with someone who has the power to nuke stuff like Captain Atom, it would be safer to have the hospital be somewhere not in a densely populated area).
Also, one of the characters is a Stephen Montoya, so he's probably a lesbian too hyuck hyuck.
That cover certainly looks nice, but I share your concerns. It doesn't seem like a style that fits the comedic tone of the current Power Girl. And, honestly, I want it to stay lighthearted. DC has enough SERIOUS BUSINESS! titles right now.
Whatever, I just get so tired of the heroic standard of "Can't kill the bad guy!" I'm also tired of continuing to drag heroes through the muck like this. Clark and Lois have been happily married for years, save the stupidity of having him off world. Oliver JUST got married and there's been nothing but angst and shit befouling his life, including a random insane girl that is obsessed with him. I'm sure this dark avenger crap will end the marriage.
Kind of thing annoys me over in Marvel with Spidey, but at least he is either constantly getting laid by insanely hot women (Roommate! Black FUCKING Cat!) or being lusted over by them (Reporter chick he hangs around with).
What's wrong with heroes being happy for once?
Which is a shame, because they got better after the awful JMS stories, but I think everyone knew it was coming.