Since the JSA arc has Supers from Kingdom Come show up in the current timeline.
The way I see it, Kingdom Come is "The Future", just not the exact future.
I.e. Superman not showing signs of aging, Batman perpetually in his mid 30's, Lois not dying, ect, but still introducing some of the hero's and concepts from Kingdom Come, like Magog and Gog's apperance.
Personally, I'm kind of in love with the whole idea that the White lantern's objective is to stop Kingdom Come from happening though.
And the fact that there's a Kingdom Come Earth dosen't really interfere with anything. It's just another path the "main" earth could of taken, and how it panned out.
New York, NY, September 27—Robert Harras has been named Editor-in-Chief, VP, DC Comics, it was announced today by DC Comics Co-Publishers Jim Lee and Dan DiDio. Harras will oversee editorial for DC Comics, DC Universe, MAD Magazine and Vertigo and will be based in New York City, reporting directly to the Co-Publishers. Harras becomes the company’s first Editor-in-Chief in nearly 10 years since the position was held by Jenette Kahn from 1981 to 2002.
“Bob Harras’ personal and creative integrity is respected and renowned throughout the comic book industry,” said Jim Lee, DC Comics Co-Publisher. “As an editor, he provides invaluable insight into storytelling and character.”
“We could not be more excited to make this announcement,” said Dan DiDio, DC Comics Co-Publisher. “Bob is a tremendous evaluator of talent, character and story. He is a proven leader who brings a keen understanding of the marketplace to the position.”
Prior to being named Editor-in-Chief, Harras was the Group Editor, Collected Editions at DC Comics.
Before joining DC Comics, Harras was the Editor-in-Chief of Marvel Comics from 1995 to 2000.
And oversaw The Clone Saga. The DC winning streak continues!
Seriously though, this could be a positive thing. He edited some good books, including Ka-Zar and The Slingers. Plus, the simple act of changing EiC could lead to people that expressed frustration with the old editorial regime, like Dixon, Rucka, Waid, and McKeever, returning.
Or maybe nothing will change, other than fans referring to DC's EiC as Harrass, rather than Didiot.
New York, NY, September 27—Robert Harras has been named Editor-in-Chief, VP, DC Comics, it was announced today by DC Comics Co-Publishers Jim Lee and Dan DiDio. Harras will oversee editorial for DC Comics, DC Universe, MAD Magazine and Vertigo and will be based in New York City, reporting directly to the Co-Publishers. Harras becomes the company’s first Editor-in-Chief in nearly 10 years since the position was held by Jenette Kahn from 1981 to 2002.
“Bob Harras’ personal and creative integrity is respected and renowned throughout the comic book industry,” said Jim Lee, DC Comics Co-Publisher. “As an editor, he provides invaluable insight into storytelling and character.”
“We could not be more excited to make this announcement,” said Dan DiDio, DC Comics Co-Publisher. “Bob is a tremendous evaluator of talent, character and story. He is a proven leader who brings a keen understanding of the marketplace to the position.”
Prior to being named Editor-in-Chief, Harras was the Group Editor, Collected Editions at DC Comics.
Before joining DC Comics, Harras was the Editor-in-Chief of Marvel Comics from 1995 to 2000.
Harras is good, but also sometimes falls too much into the being too friendly with the talent type area that is killing comics. I did like the Breach series that no one bought.
All I keep thinking about is "which book is Busiek going to write now?" Because I would buy that book.
edit: Mark Waid had this to say about Bob Harras 10 years ago:
Word has it that you're no longer welcome at Marvel after a statement you made on my Forum about Bob Harras. What's your take on Bob's time at Marvel in your experience?
Yeah, that's at least temporarily true. Apparently, the fact that Bob was fired for unfair and wrong reasons one September rather than for all the tens of hundreds of RIGHT reasons he'd racked up in the seven years PREVIOUS gave a lot of staffers a sudden change of heart. Amazing. Overnight, they forgot what a two-faced, cowardly liar Bob had been and what crap they'd all had to suffer through because of his shortcomings as a manager. Instead, everyone was lighting candles for Bob. Jesus. You want to know the truth? In my humble =koff= opinion, Bob did as much to help destroy the comic book industry during the 1990s than any other single human being alive. Yes, even more than Gareb. I'd even let Ron Perlman out of Hell before I'd pardon Bob. For years and years and years, the editorial philosophy at Marvel was to make each and every comic book as labyrinthine and confusing as creatively possible. Marvel had the single highest-profile comic book in the Western hemisphere--X-MEN--and Bob did everything imaginable to make it completely incomprehensible and inaccessible to new and/or casual readers. Everything.
"But, Mark..." I hear the whine. "But, Mark, Bob kept the X-books best-sellers in the industry during his tenure." Technically true--but let's look at the sales figures. Over the last six years, the sales margin between the X-books and their nearest competitors has dwindled from about three-to-one to barely 1.5-to-one. Woo-hoo. Cigars, everyone.
Here it is in a nutshell: Did you see that stupifyingly atrocious piece-of-crap X-MEN sampler comic in TV GUIDE? My rage had no words. It was a textbook example of how NOT to write and draw something a prospective first-time reader could possibly understand or enjoy or want to see more of. Hell, I've been reading comics for 34 years and I had to read it three times to figure out what was going on. TV GUIDE. Eight million households. A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for new market exposure. And everyone connected with it failed miserably. Fire them. Fire them all. We're DYIN' here. We cannot afford to blow ANY opportunity to find new readers.
And Rich Johnston brought it back up in lieu of the new announcement, to which Mark Waid responded via Twitter to tell Johnston to go fuck himself.
Mark Waid just is a grumpy old man and the comic industry just won't get off his lawn
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I like Waid
he wrote Birthright and Kingdom Come, he's good in my books
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If Waid has changed his mind about Haras 10 years later, that's fine, things change. Just don't get upset when someone brings up what you said about him being fired from his previous EiC job.
And he hasn't apologized for Devin Grayson writing comics yet like he's apologized for killing Ice and making Peter Parker get fired for photoshopping a picture.
I hate it when comic book writers and editors are so fucking wet when it comes to the industry. Look at Rise of Arsenal, nobody working for Marvel or DC stood up and said "this is a piece of shit." Nobody ever does that, or says that the Marvel Editors are terrible or that Red Hulk sucks or anything like that. And I can understand why, because if you want to work in the mainstream you can't afford to piss people off, but I like it when someone in the industry says "no, this is bad and you should feel bad."
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Mark Waid has written some great stories, Superman: Birthright, FF, and his Cap runs are the high points of his career I think, even moreso than Flash and creating Impulse.
But he also did some absolutely stupid stuff like his proposal for writing Superman with Morrison/Millar/Peyer which entailed giving Lois brain surgery so that the "marriage gene" or whatever the hell made it so she wasn't married to Clark. And his Brave & the Bold was just average, and complained about lackluster sales. And half the statements he makes as BOOM! EiC, like people not buying comics because main characters are black or his whole public domain story.
He can have all the opinions he wants, he just shouldn't be so upset when those opinions resurface. It kind of seems like he was happy about the new DC EiC because he could write some comics for them, but then a quote of his resurfaced and he just went "son of a bitch."
Personally, Waid is a super nice guy. Ive met him a few times, got my KC signed by him and everything. I respect him and while he makes stupid decision, at lest he is able to speak what he wants. Everyone else roles over for Frank Miller and Mark Millar and all that shit. Waid may not have done much outside Invincible, but Id rather have a drink with him that most others. Like I said to my fiancee "Fuck it. It's not my problem."
Personally, Waid is a super nice guy. Ive met him a few times, got my KC signed by him and everything. I respect him and while he makes stupid decision, at lest he is able to speak what he wants. Everyone else roles over for Frank Miller and Mark Millar and all that shit. Waid may not have done much outside Invincible, but Id rather have a drink with him that most others. Like I said to my fiancee "Fuck it. It's not my problem."
Huh?
As for DC's new EIC, I'm hopeful that he'll be a big improvement on Didio but I'm also pretty doubtful. As pissed as Waid is that Rich quoted him, his statement still seems to sum up Harras' reign at Marvel.
Personally I've wanted Giffen to take the top job for years but he's probably not the person Didio and crew were looking for. Too competent and talented.
Personally, Waid is a super nice guy. Ive met him a few times, got my KC signed by him and everything. I respect him and while he makes stupid decision, at lest he is able to speak what he wants. Everyone else roles over for Frank Miller and Mark Millar and all that shit. Waid may not have done much outside Invincible, but Id rather have a drink with him that most others. Like I said to my fiancee "Fuck it. It's not my problem."
Huh?
As for DC's new EIC, I'm hopeful that he'll be a big improvement on Didio but I'm also pretty doubtful. As pissed as Waid is that Rich quoted him, his statement still seems to sum up Harras' reign at Marvel.
Personally I've wanted Giffen to take the top job for years but he's probably not the person Didio and crew were looking for. Too competent and talented.
Maybe he doesn't want the job?
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I couldn't see Giffen not wanting the job, since he has made it his job to introduce and establish new characters in DC, like BB and Magog. As an EiC he could do that, while still being a guy who can get on slow artists and writers with big egos and knock them down a peg. He's old enough to know what has happened before but is more willing to change things and has an eye for the good stuff out there, from all his interviews and convention appearances.
Anyways, JSA #43 is an issue where everything important and worth reading happens off panel:
The Starheart is still on the moon, but now for some reason all the magical beings and creatures now live in the starheart's moon base, and Alan is kind of the ambassador for them to other magical dimensions, like the world Captain Atom was on in his backup, and the Shadowpacts team members, etc. You get no idea this would happen at the end of the JLA/JSA crossover and then boom! Alan is talking fae to elves and stuff.
And then it stops completely in the second half to talk about Obsidian not being able to be close to Jennie, and all these doomsday scenarios if they merge into a being again.
It's really scattershot, even more than Robinson's Justice League work.
Jesus Merino is a really good artist now, maybe he'll become Carlos Pacheco only more punctual.
I couldn't see Giffen not wanting the job, since he has made it his job to introduce and establish new characters in DC, like BB and Magog. As an EiC he could do that, while still being a guy who can get on slow artists and writers with big egos and knock them down a peg. He's old enough to know what has happened before but is more willing to change things and has an eye for the good stuff out there, from all his interviews and convention appearances.
Anyways, JSA #43 is an issue where everything important and worth reading happens off panel:
The Starheart is still on the moon, but now for some reason all the magical beings and creatures now live in the starheart's moon base, and Alan is kind of the ambassador for them to other magical dimensions, like the world Captain Atom was on in his backup, and the Shadowpacts team members, etc. You get no idea this would happen at the end of the JLA/JSA crossover and then boom! Alan is talking fae to elves and stuff.
And then it stops completely in the second half to talk about Obsidian not being able to be close to Jennie, and all these doomsday scenarios if they merge into a being again.
It's really scattershot, even more than Robinson's Justice League work.
Jesus Merino is a really good artist now, maybe he'll become Carlos Pacheco only more punctual.
The editor in chief seems like a far more business oriented position, and probably with a higher stress level. Anyway, that's all incredibly pointless speculation on my part.
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Scott McDaniel Batman flys off the page. Aaron Lopresti, Bernard Chang, and Freddie Williams, that's some good talent for a pop up book.
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holy crap that book is way cooler than it has any right to be
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Oh hey in Secret Six:
they're in Warlord's world, Skartaris. Although isn't that also Wizard World, the place Captain Atom was in during his Action Comics backup where that magic chick Lane had on his side came from?
I've never read Warlord stuff but is it a place where magic and dinosaurs co-exist?
they're in Warlord's world, Skartaris. Although isn't that also Wizard World, the place Captain Atom was in during his Action Comics backup where that magic chick Lane had on his side came from?
I've never read Warlord stuff but is it a place where magic and dinosaurs co-exist?
No, Skartaris is on Earth. Sorcerer's World (where Captain Atom was) is a different planet/dimension.
Hey, is anyone reading that Time Travel story with Superman and Hal Jordan and Booster? Is it any good? I haven't been to my LCS this week and I was thinking of nabbing it if its ok. I'm curious about what sort of time traveling adventures these dudes are having.
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I tried the first issue. It was OK, but a couple weeks before it came out they solicited a $15 paperback trade for april and announced that it bridges Return of Bruce Wayne to Flashpoint.
At $4 an issue, it was not worth it. $24 in singles versus $15 for a trade, and it's a story that maybe will hint at some DCU changes but not actually drive them. I am cool to save $9 by waiting a few months.
If you read Jurgens' Booster Gold run and liked it, you'd probably like it. It's just Jurgens wrapping up the dull threads he left over from it. If you didn't like Jurgens' Booster (like me) then no, the writing and plots haven't gotten any more competent.
I've no clue why they sold it as related to the Return of Bruce Wayne but it's only been mentioned like once. I guess there's a chance there'll be more links later on but I kinda doubt it, seeing as Return of Bruce Wayne's meant to be finishing this month (hopefully) while Time Masters is meant to be finishing in December.
A question about Cassandra Cain led to the young girl mentioning that the character will appear in "Red Robin."
Fabian was always going to save her, thumbs up.
Prompted by a fan question, DiDio asked what fans thought of the idea of Bruce Wayne dating Wonder Woman. There was some applause, but a lot of groaning. Fans preferred Bruce with Selina Kyle, Catwoman. "Grant's got a kinder, gentler Bruce," DiDio said when it was suggested he needed a darker interest, "and Grant's got some romantic stories."
No groaning at Batman/WW pairing! Only applause!
And there was a girl dressed as Speedy who wanted Lian to come back, she got to sit on the panel, and seemed to get in a few good jabs.
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The next question: "What about Ralph and Sue?" A good level of applause followed. "You know, we come to these panels year after year, what we hear is, 'why can't characters stay dead?" DiDio said. "This is our gift to you."
Ouch.
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"Is the evil martian from 'Brightest Day' J'onn's wife?" DiDio said, "No!" then "Shit!" at which point the crowd erupted in laughter and Wayne took over as moderator.
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YOU DIDN'T GET THE JOKE
I.e. Superman not showing signs of aging, Batman perpetually in his mid 30's, Lois not dying, ect, but still introducing some of the hero's and concepts from Kingdom Come, like Magog and Gog's apperance.
Personally, I'm kind of in love with the whole idea that the White lantern's objective is to stop Kingdom Come from happening though.
And the fact that there's a Kingdom Come Earth dosen't really interfere with anything. It's just another path the "main" earth could of taken, and how it panned out.
Here's his list of credits.
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the editor in chief who bankrupted marvel
Seriously though, this could be a positive thing. He edited some good books, including Ka-Zar and The Slingers. Plus, the simple act of changing EiC could lead to people that expressed frustration with the old editorial regime, like Dixon, Rucka, Waid, and McKeever, returning.
Or maybe nothing will change, other than fans referring to DC's EiC as Harrass, rather than Didiot.
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Keith Giffen is somewhere crying into his pillow.
Harras is good, but also sometimes falls too much into the being too friendly with the talent type area that is killing comics. I did like the Breach series that no one bought.
All I keep thinking about is "which book is Busiek going to write now?" Because I would buy that book.
edit: Mark Waid had this to say about Bob Harras 10 years ago:
And Rich Johnston brought it back up in lieu of the new announcement, to which Mark Waid responded via Twitter to tell Johnston to go fuck himself.
Or maybe he did mean the actor, and Waid has a big enemies list. One day the whole world will be eating food through a goddamn straw.
he wrote Birthright and Kingdom Come, he's good in my books
And he hasn't apologized for Devin Grayson writing comics yet like he's apologized for killing Ice and making Peter Parker get fired for photoshopping a picture.
he's just got opinions
I like that.
I hate it when comic book writers and editors are so fucking wet when it comes to the industry. Look at Rise of Arsenal, nobody working for Marvel or DC stood up and said "this is a piece of shit." Nobody ever does that, or says that the Marvel Editors are terrible or that Red Hulk sucks or anything like that. And I can understand why, because if you want to work in the mainstream you can't afford to piss people off, but I like it when someone in the industry says "no, this is bad and you should feel bad."
But he also did some absolutely stupid stuff like his proposal for writing Superman with Morrison/Millar/Peyer which entailed giving Lois brain surgery so that the "marriage gene" or whatever the hell made it so she wasn't married to Clark. And his Brave & the Bold was just average, and complained about lackluster sales. And half the statements he makes as BOOM! EiC, like people not buying comics because main characters are black or his whole public domain story.
He can have all the opinions he wants, he just shouldn't be so upset when those opinions resurface. It kind of seems like he was happy about the new DC EiC because he could write some comics for them, but then a quote of his resurfaced and he just went "son of a bitch."
Huh?
As for DC's new EIC, I'm hopeful that he'll be a big improvement on Didio but I'm also pretty doubtful. As pissed as Waid is that Rich quoted him, his statement still seems to sum up Harras' reign at Marvel.
Personally I've wanted Giffen to take the top job for years but he's probably not the person Didio and crew were looking for. Too competent and talented.
Easy to get the names mixed up.
Maybe he doesn't want the job?
Anyways, JSA #43 is an issue where everything important and worth reading happens off panel:
And then it stops completely in the second half to talk about Obsidian not being able to be close to Jennie, and all these doomsday scenarios if they merge into a being again.
It's really scattershot, even more than Robinson's Justice League work.
Jesus Merino is a really good artist now, maybe he'll become Carlos Pacheco only more punctual.
The editor in chief seems like a far more business oriented position, and probably with a higher stress level. Anyway, that's all incredibly pointless speculation on my part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPNufQlbZ2E&feature=player_embedded#!
Scott McDaniel Batman flys off the page. Aaron Lopresti, Bernard Chang, and Freddie Williams, that's some good talent for a pop up book.
I've never read Warlord stuff but is it a place where magic and dinosaurs co-exist?
if yes and you liked it, pick up Time Masters
if no, you don't really need to bother
At $4 an issue, it was not worth it. $24 in singles versus $15 for a trade, and it's a story that maybe will hint at some DCU changes but not actually drive them. I am cool to save $9 by waiting a few months.
I've no clue why they sold it as related to the Return of Bruce Wayne but it's only been mentioned like once. I guess there's a chance there'll be more links later on but I kinda doubt it, seeing as Return of Bruce Wayne's meant to be finishing this month (hopefully) while Time Masters is meant to be finishing in December.
Edit: Gosh darnit Keith and HadjiQuest!
Fabian was always going to save her, thumbs up.
No groaning at Batman/WW pairing! Only applause!
And there was a girl dressed as Speedy who wanted Lian to come back, she got to sit on the panel, and seemed to get in a few good jabs.
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Ouch.
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That is not a good idea on any level.