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Fighting fire with fire; Or how Glenn Beck didn't rape and murder a girl in 1990

werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
If you follow politics at all the name Glenn Beck more likely than not sends you into a towering rage at this point. He's the latest addition to the Fox News stable and by far the craziest and/or sleaziest. Some highlights include capitalizing on 9/11 after attacking the 9/11 families, openly and bizarrely weeping because "he loves his country so much and he's so scared for it", and literally acting out "Obama pouring gasoline on the average American" for god knows whatever he was riled up about at the moment.

His main claim to fame, beside being the biggest scumbag in mainstream media, is his perfecting the "when did you stop beating your wife" style of reporting to an art form. Couched in the phrasing "some people are saying" without ever explicitly embracing the allegations or discussing their legitimacy he has advanced pretty much every insane right wing conspiracy theory for the last year or so into the mainstream. The FEMA death camps, the birther nonsense, Obama's secret army of brown shirts; all these have been slide into legitimate discussion using this formulation. It's an especially weaselly wording that lets him back off any particular allegation when confronted while continuing to advance every insane idea under the sun in the guise of discussion of what other people are talking about. There's been a certain amount of hand wringing over the degrading of discourse in the US and the fact it's almost impossible to disprove a myth or outright lie once it's gotten into people's heads (the more you argue against it the more people who already believe the lie believe it even more).

In what is either another step towards the complete destruction of intelligent discussion in American politics or one of the most beautifully poetic rebuttal of stupidity I've ever seen, someone from Fark with the help of the other aggregator sites started the Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990 website. The sites makes it clear that it's a parody site and that it's attacking this kind of slimy insinuation without any evidence that has been creeping up more and more in the Fox News era and has reached it's crescendo recently, making sure to always be presented along the lines of "Some people say Glenn Back has X and he has yet to deny it".

I'm honestly a bit torn on this. It does strike me as one of those near perfect examples of showing how stupid something is by applying it to an even more ridiculous situation. I'm hard pressed to think of any other way you could show just how slimy the idea is in a soundbite. But by that same token, sinking to the level of something that disgusts you to prove how disgusting it is can be morally dubious at best. Olbermann featured the meme on his worst person's list once it started picking up steam, which is a not unreasonable thing to do. Glenn Beck has also recently filed suit for trademark violation, an idea that is both going to almost certainly accomplish nothing and generates a huge amount of schadenfreude as you sit back and watch Beck cycle through the various useless stages of fighting the underhanded attack style he perfected.

Is this a modern case of fighting fire with fire, or are we just looking at a real case of the Left can be just as bad as the Right?

Glorious update I don't want to get lost in the thread:
werehippy wrote: »
This isn't exactly the same thing, but it's very much in the same vein of trolling the trolls. Seriously, don't go to the site, just check urban dictionary to get the general idea if you don't get the reference, crack up, and print hi res or grey scale copies for the next tea party rally.
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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'm just saying, Beck has never denied that his father was a Nazi and his mother smelt of elderberries.

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  • Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'd prefer everyone just ignore him, but that's unlikely. This is fine. It's not some war encompassing all of the left and right, it's about Glen Beck. Fuck him.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    How scary would it be if this actually took off?

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    This is the best thing

    The very best thing

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Beck thrives on attention and controversy and this just feeds the machine. That said, I think it's kind of funny. I expect Beck to:
    1) Scream at the top of his lungs on air
    2) Cry on air, likely before or after #1
    3) Call the site creators fascists
    4) Call the site creators socialists
    5) Blame Obama for the site

    Not necessarily in that order.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    His name is Glenn Beck.

    Has he addressed this on air yet?

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    His name is Glenn Beck.

    Has he addressed this on air yet?

    He hasn't yet, probably because there's no subtle way to bring up "and by the way, whatever you've heard I totally didn't rape and murder a chick way back when". I think the first time he's publicly acknowledged its existence was when he filed suit. Which was a really stupid idea, but I can't say I'm going to complain.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    edited September 2009
    Oh wow. Is it bad I was kinda hoping it had come to light that Glen Beck, did infact, rape and murder a girl in 1990?

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    That site is delicious. I hope the site's creator isn't financially ruined or anything.
    Oh wow. Is it bad I was kinda hoping it had come to light that Glen Beck, did infact, rape and murder a girl in 1990?

    Well he hasn't provided proof that he didn't murder and rape a young girl in 1990. If he's innocent you have to wonder why he hasn't yet provided this proof.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    That site is delicious. I hope the site's creator isn't financially ruined or anything.

    They should be safe, because it's clearly marked as parody and even if Fox and/or Beck tried to dogpile them for defamation the ACLU or EFF should be willing to pick up the tab for a strong defense on the basis of free speech protection.

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  • MorgensternMorgenstern Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Guys, I heard Glenn Beck may, or may not, have a giant collection of child pornography?

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    AHAHAHAHAHAHA

    This is the bestest thing.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Oh wow. Is it bad I was kinda hoping it had come to light that Glen Beck, did infact, rape and murder a girl in 1990?

    Well he hasn't provided proof that he didn't murder and rape a young girl in 1990. If he's innocent you have to wonder why he hasn't yet provided this proof.
    This is pretty clear proof people out there have questions, and Beck should just come forward with the evidence needed to clear his name so we can put this to rest. We'll need blood and sperm samples to check against any physical evidence that comes to light, and a picture of his junk for witnesses to check against any other penises they might have seen.

    It's really not that hard and the fact Beck is resisting answering these basic questions really makes you wonder.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The rape/murder link isn't working.

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  • SnorkSnork Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    This is the best thing.

    After reading the site for more than five seconds it becomes very obvious that it is a parody, and while a sufficiently nasty one, not without obvious signs that it's a joke

    'totally legit police report'
    'bill paxton's son's evidence'

    i don't think this is sinking to the level of beck at all, because it doesn't ever pretend to be serious

    i'm sure there are people who are going to read this and not get that but you have to be pretty dumb or not even read the site to begin with (the far more likely option)

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The rape/murder link isn't working.

    Yeah, I think the fact Glenn Beck is suing just hit the top of reddit, digg, and so on and the site is getting crushed. It's sporadically up, you just have to get lucky between bouts of the server dieing.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Guys, I heard Glenn Beck may have a giant collection of child pornography.
    Guys we need to do this right.
    Use a Cavuto. You know, the punctuation that turns an attack into a completely innocuous question.

    Is Glenn Beck the owner of the worlds large child pornography stash?

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  • DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I don't know if I would even consider this analogous to what Beck himself does, because he doesn't present himself as a parody.

    Glenn Beck has done a great deal to damage intelligent discourse in this country and the bullshit he spews tiptoes the line of inciting violence. If he has his own moronic tactics turned against him, I can't work up much sympathy.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    This is the best thing

    The very best thing

    when salv and I agree about something it can't possibly be wrong

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I'm amused that it's a trademark dispute lawsuit, not a defamation lawsuit. I mean, either one hasn't got a chance, but there's pretty solid precedent that you can't go after a domain for a trademark dispute if they're just making fun of/bitching about you.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I hear the real reason Beck has been losing sponsors recently is becuase they all got wind that the rape/murder bombshell was about to drop.

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I want to see this story get to CNN and MSNBC somehow.

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  • PAKensingtonPAKensington Registered User
    edited September 2009
    What entertains me far more than the site itself is the right wingers taking it supar SRS.

    As a moderate, I somewhat enjoyed (by enjoyed, I meant half watching his show whilst muted with subtitles on a screen at work) his stuff, WAY before he got elevated to the position he's in now (did anyone see the show where he debunked a woman who claimed she was descended from Jesus himself? That one was awesome).

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  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    It hit Wikipidia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck
    Glenn Lee Beck (born February 10, 1964) is an American radio and television host, political commentator, author, alleged rapist and murderer[1], and entrepreneur.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    kildy wrote: »
    I'm amused that it's a trademark dispute lawsuit, not a defamation lawsuit. I mean, either one hasn't got a chance, but there's pretty solid precedent that you can't go after a domain for a trademark dispute if they're just making fun of/bitching about you.
    Did you know that truth is a valid defense against a defamation suit?

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    This is pretty childish and won't really accomplish much of anything.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    I want to see this story get to CNN and MSNBC somehow.
    werehippy wrote: »
    Olbermann featured the meme on his worst person's list once it started picking up steam, which is a not unreasonable thing to do.

    Ask and ye shall receive.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    KurnDerak wrote: »
    It hit Wikipidia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck
    Glenn Lee Beck (born February 10, 1964) is an American radio and television host, political commentator, author, alleged rapist and murderer[1], and entrepreneur.

    Yeah, that won't stay.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Cloudman wrote: »
    This is pretty childish and won't really accomplish much of anything.

    It depends what you mean by accomplish, though it is open to debate which is why I threw together a thread.

    Will it make Glenn Beck be a better person or prove he's actually a bad person? Not at all.

    Will it potentially take away some of his thunder, illustrate why spurious accusations are sleazy and poor journalism, and/or provide some sort of check against the rampant asshattery of modern day pundits? Possibly.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The best part is that he's suing because they stole his idea, not because he denies what he did that cold november day in 1990.

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    I want to see this story get to CNN and MSNBC somehow.
    werehippy wrote: »
    Olbermann featured the meme on his worst person's list once it started picking up steam, which is a not unreasonable thing to do.

    Ask and ye shall receive.

    Not good enough. I want to see someone actually ask on air if Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990. Preferably with an pundit there to do the "he won't deny it" routine.

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  • DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I was going to say that, if it makes Beck act like an idiotic man-child throwing a tantrum on national tv, then it will have accomplished something.

    Then I realized that he does that pretty much every day anyway, so oh well. I mean hell, he's already doing that crazy thing where he stares all bugeyed at the camera while it zooms in sideways, or whatever. He doesn't have a lot of pride to lose.

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  • PAKensingtonPAKensington Registered User
    edited September 2009
    The best part is that he's suing because they stole his idea, not because he denies what he did that cold november day in 1990.

    November? The report states that this happened in March. Did Glenn Beck possibly rape and murder ANOTHER young girl in 1990?

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Actually, thinking about it some more, what I think feels best about this is how it's such a product of the new political movement of the last few years. Got a problem that's pretty widely acknowledged but the older traditional institutions have proven unable or unwilling to deal with. Lets slap together a snarky website and start a meme about it.

    The sheer possibility that this might actually do anything useful is almost heady.

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  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    werehippy wrote: »
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    I want to see this story get to CNN and MSNBC somehow.
    werehippy wrote: »
    Olbermann featured the meme on his worst person's list once it started picking up steam, which is a not unreasonable thing to do.

    Ask and ye shall receive.

    Not good enough. I want to see someone actually ask on air if Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990. Preferably with an pundit there to do the "he won't deny it" routine.

    This week on the Daily Show....

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  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Tomanta wrote: »
    KurnDerak wrote: »
    It hit Wikipidia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck
    Glenn Lee Beck (born February 10, 1964) is an American radio and television host, political commentator, author, alleged rapist and murderer[1], and entrepreneur.

    Yeah, that won't stay.

    It didn't.

    Really though I like this meme. It's very clearly a joke, as long as people stick with the correct phrasing ("He has yet to deny that he raped and murdered a girl in 1990. Why won't he answer these questions? What is he hiding?").

    It's incredibly clear that it's just satire, so there's no real harm done. However, it should bring to light the fact that he uses these same stupid tactics to spread rumors about our president. So yeah, I'm fine with it. I don't think it's "sinking to his level" because it is obviously a joke, it's just pointing out the shitty tactics he uses.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The best part is that he's suing because they stole his idea, not because he denies what he did that cold november day in 1990.

    November? The report states that this happened in March. Did Glenn Beck possibly rape and murder ANOTHER young girl in 1990?

    Has Glenn Beck killed and will he kill again? Our experts break it down for you at 11 o'clock.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    Actually, thinking about it some more, what I think feels best about this is how it's such a product of the new political movement of the last few years. Got a problem that's pretty widely acknowledged but the older traditional institutions have proven unable or unwilling to deal with. Lets slap together a snarky website and start a meme about it.

    The sheer possibility that this might actually do anything useful is almost heady.

    At least until the same problems with traditional media find their way to 4chan.

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  • PAKensingtonPAKensington Registered User
    edited September 2009
    I would dearly love this to come up on the Daily Show, or better yet, the Colbert Report.

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  • StericaSterica Wow! That was shit.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited September 2009
    Trying to outcrazy the fringe right is setting yourself up to lose.

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