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20 Most Overrated Films of All Time

gundam470gundam470 Registered User regular
edited January 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
So Premier Magazine is going to publish, in its upcoming issue, a list of what its writers think are the 20 most overrated films of all time. The link above will take you to the article which gives the movies and also the reasons (and rebuttals) for which they think these movies are overrated.

Notable inclusions are some classics like Gone With the Wind and The Wizard of Oz as well as what some consider modern classics like American Beauty and Forrest Gump

So what do we think, D&D? Are these guys spot-on, or full of it? Or a mixture of both? Which movies do you think have no place on this list?

And which movies do you think should have definitely made it?

The complete list is:
    1.American Beauty 2. Chicago 3. Clerks. 4. Fantasia 5. Field of Dreams 6. Chariots of Fire 7. Good Will Hunting 8. Forrest Gump 9. Jules and Jim 10. A Beautiful Mind 11. Monster's Ball 12. Moonstruck 13. Mystic River 14. Nashville 15. The Wizard of Oz 16. An American in Paris 17. Easy Rider 18. The Red Shoes 19. 2001: A Space Odyssey 20. Gone With the Wind

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  • [Tycho?][Tycho?] Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I've only seen two of those movies. Beautiful mind was good, not great. Didn't know it was rated particulalrly well. 2001 is so, so boring. I mean, wow is it boring.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I basically support the whole list, minus 2001, although I'd bump Forrest Gump up to the top, and just leave Chicago in the top 10 (because seriously, who rates that movie besides the Academy that one year?).

    Also, if these authors were below the age of 25, Donnie Darko would be a mortal lock for the top 5, and I say this as a fan of the film.

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  • GimGim a quietly erotic life Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Clerks. is overrated? Half the people I know don't like that film. It was propped up like crazy in the 90s, sure, but the Kevin Smith love has gone down to a reasonable level since then.

    Field of Dreams? One of the most overrated of all time? They must not watch many movies.

    And no Citizen Kane. Huh. They don't have the cajones to shit on that.

    Otherwise, it's mostly them not liking the 90s/early 21st century and some classics. If G&T has taught me anything, it is to become numb to such declarations of "All Time" in any entertainment genre.

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  • AegisAegis Not Quite TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    ...This trifle's lame acting and anemic plot were celebrated for their street cred because the slackers among us could relate and the critics all wanted to seem cool...

    Well that reviewer has some bias against Clerks for some reason. While unconventional and slightly crude, I don't see how it could rate so high on the list itself.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Monster's Ball?

    Isn't the one where it was 90 minutes of Halle Barry's soft core porn?

    That was just boooooring.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Gim wrote:
    Clerks. is overrated? Half the people I know don't like that film. It was propped up like crazy in the 90s, sure, but the Kevin Smith love has gone down to a reasonable level since then.
    Clerks is often overrated. It succeeds on many levels (dialogue and low-budget film-making), but once you're past that, it's just a funny story. No real deeper meaning or memorable techniques or aesthetics or anything, but at the time it was released it was seen as connecting strongly to the zeitgeist of the age, which, in hindsight, it was just a popular comedy, about as relevant as American Pie, except it succeeded on a shoe-string budget.
    Gim wrote:
    And no Citizen Kane. Huh. They don't have the cajones to shit on that.
    Gim, I thought you knew something about film.

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  • MittenMitten Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Clerks should be lower on the list, if at all. Forrest Gump should probably be higher. Fantasia I don't really get.

    Edit: Donnie Darko.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Incenjucar wrote:
    Monster's Ball?

    Isn't the one where it was 90 minutes of Halle Barry's soft core porn?

    That was just boooooring.
    It was a horrible film and Halle Berry won Best Actress. Can you explain why she won Best Actress, without either admitting it was political shenanigans because she happened to be nominated during the year they were finally paying Denzel back for the multiple ones they've robbed him of, or because they wanted to fuck her? Because besides those two reasons I don't even know why she won, and besides the wanting to fuck her thing, I don't know why the movie was ever made.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    She won because she was doing a porn film.

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  • SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I got this far:
    1. American Beauty
    and had to repress a cheer. But then I read:
    5. Field of Dreams
    and I went all O_o and asked myself, "How can it be overrated if I'm the only person I know that likes it?"

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  • JCMJCM Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Hmm.. Matrix?

    Yes it had great camera-work and SFX, but damn every scene, concept and fight was ripped from some anime.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray the swamp, always the swampRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Isn't this basically a list of movies a lot of people like? :?

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    JCM wrote:
    Hmm.. Matrix?
    Yeah, The Matrix is sickly overrated. I'd put it in the top 5, probably, but maybe just because I read too many message boards full of sci-fi geeks.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    They forgot the Godfather movies, The Shawshank Redemption, and the LOTR movies.

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  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    BOONDOCK SAINTS!!!!!

    Lucky Number Sle7en...

    So many shitty movies that people love. So many.

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  • Mr. White XDMr. White XD Registered User
    edited December 2006
    Napolean Dynamite

    Titanic

    Scarface

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  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    JCM wrote:
    Hmm.. Matrix?

    Yes it had great camera-work and SFX, but damn every scene, concept and fight was ripped from some anime.
    Which one? Go on. Tell us. Which anime did it rip off? Or are you just pulling things out of your ass because you think it was ripping off an anime?

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  • gundam470gundam470 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Napolean Dynamite

    Titanic

    Scarface

    I agree with your other choices, especially Napolean, but goddamn did I expect a lot out of Scarface and boy was it a HUGE letdown.

    I fell asleep halfway through, woke up and didn't feel like finishing it.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I'm afraid that I don't agree with half the list.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Hoz wrote:
    They forgot the Godfather movies, The Shawshank Redemption, and the LOTR movies.
    Shawshank is loved by many, but not that highly rated among serious film critics. Minus Godfather III which is an aberration, most of the praise the Godfather films receive is their just due. The LOTR films did a big box office, and they were respected for what they accomplished as fantasy films, but they're hardly held up in the pantheons of film history as anything besides a novel approach to filmmaking and special effects.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    whoa hey hey whoa now

    Shawshank is justly rated

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  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    that one movie with orson welles that I can not think of at the moment


    oh Citizen Kane

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  • Mr. White XDMr. White XD Registered User
    edited December 2006
    gundam470 wrote:
    Napolean Dynamite

    Titanic

    Scarface

    I agree with your other choices, especially Napolean, but goddamn did I expect a lot out of Scarface and boy was it a HUGE letdown.

    I fell asleep halfway through, woke up and didn't feel like finishing it.

    The game or movie? I felt the same about both -_-

    I would throw up the Godfather as well, I saw it after I read the book, and the book was WAY Better

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  • CheezyCheezy Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Hoz wrote:
    They forgot the Godfather movies, The Shawshank Redemption, and the LOTR movies.

    Lord of the Rings I'll give you, but the Godfather and Shawshank Redemption are awesome movies and deserve every bit of praise they receive.

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  • gundam470gundam470 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    gundam470 wrote:
    Napolean Dynamite

    Titanic

    Scarface

    I agree with your other choices, especially Napolean, but goddamn did I expect a lot out of Scarface and boy was it a HUGE letdown.

    I fell asleep halfway through, woke up and didn't feel like finishing it.

    The game or movie? I felt the same about both -_-

    The movie, there's no way I'd go near the game.

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Hoz wrote:
    They forgot the Godfather movies,

    You broke my heart Fredo.

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  • GimGim a quietly erotic life Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    celery77 wrote:
    Gim wrote:
    Clerks. is overrated? Half the people I know don't like that film. It was propped up like crazy in the 90s, sure, but the Kevin Smith love has gone down to a reasonable level since then.
    Clerks is often overrated. It succeeds on many levels (dialogue and low-budget film-making), but once you're past that, it's just a funny story. No real deeper meaning or memorable techniques or aesthetics or anything, but at the time it was released it was seen as connecting strongly to the zeitgeist of the age, which, in hindsight, it was just a popular comedy, about as relevant as American Pie, except it succeeded on a shoe-string budget.
    Clerks is overrated by its fans, yes, and the only credit it is given outside of them is for the dialogue. The story behind its production is still interesting. I'd hardly say that it is overrated anymore.
    celery77 wrote:
    Gim wrote:
    And no Citizen Kane. Huh. They don't have the cajones to shit on that.
    Gim, I thought you knew something about film.
    I did not appreciate it when I watched it. It's lightyears ahead of Birth of a Nation, but does not offer a compelling story anymore. I should probably watch it again just to see if I still feel the same way, but for now I don't feel bad about dismissing it as a somewhat lesser film. I'd rather watch Night of the Hunter.

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  • Ant000Ant000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Man I really liked Mystic River.

    And Fantasia, how is that overrated? Its great for what it is.

    The Wizard of Oz for its time is also pretty awesome from what I can tell.

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I can't stand Kevin Smith movies because everyone sound like they're reading off a cue card all the time.

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    Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I guess I'm the only person in the world who didn't like any of the Godfather movies.

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Hoz wrote:
    I guess I'm the only person in the world who didn't like any of the Godfather movies.

    Yeah, pretty much.

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    Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Shakespeare in Love

    HOW THE HELL DID IT WIN BEST PICTURE

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I think all the "top" Clint Eastwood directed movies that I've seen are overrated: Unforgiven, Mystic River, and Million Dollar Baby.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray the swamp, always the swampRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Kusuguttai wrote:
    Shakespeare in Love

    HOW THE HELL DID IT WIN BEST PICTURE
    Man, it was Shakespeare!
    And he was IN LOVE!

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    edited December 2006
    SHAKESPEARE WAS THE GAYEST TART TO EVER PUT QUILL TO PAPER

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Gim wrote:
    celery77 wrote:
    Gim wrote:
    And no Citizen Kane. Huh. They don't have the cajones to shit on that.
    Gim, I thought you knew something about film.
    I did not appreciate it when I watched it. It's lightyears ahead of Birth of a Nation, but does not offer a compelling story anymore. I should probably watch it again just to see if I still feel the same way, but for now I don't feel bad about dismissing it as a somewhat lesser film. I'd rather watch Night of the Hunter.
    Appreciating Citizen Kane isn't necessarily about how much you're entertained. It's about the pioneering film aesthetic used by Orson Welles to make a mainstream success. It features rather radical editing for its time, which has since gone into everyday usage by the film world, so it might not strike you as the giant departure that it really was for the time that it was created. The camera angles and meanings spoken through use of artistic aesthetics, without being painfully heavy-handed in its use like many art films before it had been, was also incredibly relevant. To top it off, the subject matter was a veiled critique of society, not just a story about a sad rich man. It's an incredible film which trailblazed many techniques which have since become commonplace, which might be why some uninformed viewers might simply view it as a boring, unremarkable film, but put in its context, it's just as amazing and revelatory as everyone says it is. Easily one of the greatest films ever made.

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I just don't think I should have ot put effort into appreciating a movie. That said, I appreciate CK, I just think it's boring.

    Also, Mystic River was good. As was Million Dollar Baby. You shut the hell up.

    Donnie Darko and Napoleon Dynamite, on the other hand, were mediocre at best.

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  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    Fight Club is probably over-rated but I still love it

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    VishNub wrote:
    I just don't think I should have ot put effort into appreciating a movie.
    It's about context. These types of discussion are often about context, and if you want to understand why something has such a sterling reputation ~70 years after the fact, yes, you'll have to put some effort into understanding the context.

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  • GimGim a quietly erotic life Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    celery77 wrote:
    Gim wrote:
    celery77 wrote:
    Gim wrote:
    And no Citizen Kane. Huh. They don't have the cajones to shit on that.
    Gim, I thought you knew something about film.
    I did not appreciate it when I watched it. It's lightyears ahead of Birth of a Nation, but does not offer a compelling story anymore. I should probably watch it again just to see if I still feel the same way, but for now I don't feel bad about dismissing it as a somewhat lesser film. I'd rather watch Night of the Hunter.
    Appreciating Citizen Kane isn't necessarily about how much you're entertained. It's about the pioneering film aesthetic used by Orson Welles to make a mainstream success. It features rather radical editing for its time, which has since gone into everyday usage by the film world, so it might not strike you as the giant departure that it really was for the time that it was created. The camera angles and meanings spoken through use of artistic aesthetics, without being painfully heavy-handed in its use like many art films before it had been, was also incredibly relevant. To top it off, the subject matter was a veiled critique of society, not just a story about a sad rich man. It's an incredible film which trailblazed many techniques which have since become commonplace, which might be why some uninformed viewers might simply view it as a boring, unremarkable film, but put in its context, it's just as amazing and revelatory as everyone says it is. Easily one of the greatest films ever made.
    I enjoy reading about it. I enjoy looking at examples of its cinematography. And some of the cuts/transitions used are divine and inspired. Technically, it is sublime. I appreciate it, but I do not enjoy it, and I daresay that is the case with most people who have seen it.

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