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  • VistiVisti Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Yeah, that's on Linux now too, just under the guise of Midnight Commander.

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  • theSquidtheSquid Sydney, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    DOS is hilariously limited.

    Powershell seems to be a step in the right direction, but can it pipe? Can it filter?

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    theSquid wrote: »
    DOS is hilariously limited.

    Powershell seems to be a step in the right direction, but can it pipe? Can it filter?
    Yes and yes. You can actually pipe full-on .NET objects from command to command, and there are some great filtering options. The whole "almost all of .NET is usable/accessible from Powershell" was a huge sell for me.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited October 2009
    theSquid wrote: »
    DOS is hilariously limited.

    Powershell seems to be a step in the right direction, but can it pipe? Can it filter?

    Yes, it can.

    Powershell is a HUGE upgrade to windows based CLIs, and in many ways has big advantages over the 3rd party solutions.

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  • BecomingBecoming Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    The Microsoft Store definitely has some bitchin' hold music.

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  • AoiAoi Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Silly question, but I figure this is the place to ask. Anyway, wanting to throw Windows 7 RC on another machine (allowed 3 installs happily), but I seem to have misplaced my product key, and the page that you could get your key from on MS's site is gone now. I was wondering where/if I could dive into Windows and pull out the key. Is it still buried in the registry somewhere?

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  • LaCabraLaCabra MelbourneRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    There's a program called Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder that will extract your product key for whatever version of windows you're running no problem.

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  • clsCorwinclsCorwin Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Anyone know where I need to drop my save files for Morrowind? I tried making somesaves in game and seeing where they landed, but I haven't seen hide nor hair of them in the directory, only in game.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Common places to look besides subdirectories of the game itself would be in %appdata% and your user folder

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  • clsCorwinclsCorwin Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    No, I distinctly remember it being inside Program Files\Bethesda\Morrowind before when I had it installed on XP. Oblivion uses %appdata%, but they didn't for Morrowind.

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    If it saves to its application directory (which I remember Morrowind does), then UAC will redirect it to the virtual store. Check AppData\Local\VirtualStore and the program files directory under it.


    edit: yeah, just checked it. It'll be under AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\Saves if you installed to the default directory under 64bit.

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  • Lord JezoLord Jezo Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Things seem to be working worse in 7 final than in RC.

    Notepad++ context menus no longer work (installing the 64 bit dlls do nothing) and the version of WinRar that I had registered no longer has context menus either, the upgrade does but then I need to pay again to get it registered.

    I wonder what they changed to break everything.

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  • NeoElectronautNeoElectronaut __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    I wish Microsoft could just make a non-shitty version of Windows.

    I bought Vista Business 64-bit when I built my work computer but as it turns out the printer drivers don't work in 64-bit windows, and then when I downgraded to 32-bit windows CorelDraw crashed every time I printed out of it.

    Now I'm on XP and it crashes seemingly ever 4 or 5 hours and I have to restart the entire computer. Raargh.

    Edit: And even on a 3.0Ghz C2Q and 8GB of ram it seems oddly slow.

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  • RBachRBach Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Your problems aren't with Windows. A lack of 64 bit drivers for your printer is your printer manufacturer's fault. Likewise, CorelDraw's problems are probably related to bugs in the software. If XP is crashing that regularly there's probably something wrong with your hardware or you've got a very badly behaving driver.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Driver authors for Windows are notoriously bad.

    It's why my W7 machine has no 3rd party drivers.. if Windows update doesn't provide it, I'm not installing it.

    As an example, I have a Pinnacle PCTV USB2 capture device, and a Line 6 Pocket Pod (guitar effects toy). There's some weird interaction between the drivers of the Pinnacle device and the Line 6 device.. if I have the Pinnacle drivers installed and plug in the Line 6, I get a blue screen. Every single time.

    Remove the drivers.. everything's peachy (well, then I can't use my capture card, but at least the system doesn't nosedive).

    Seriously, fuck device drivers.

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  • clsCorwinclsCorwin Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Zxerol wrote: »
    If it saves to its application directory (which I remember Morrowind does), then UAC will redirect it to the virtual store. Check AppData\Local\VirtualStore and the program files directory under it.


    edit: yeah, just checked it. It'll be under AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\Saves if you installed to the default directory under 64bit.

    Why do they make it so wonky?

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    clsCorwin wrote: »
    Zxerol wrote: »
    If it saves to its application directory (which I remember Morrowind does), then UAC will redirect it to the virtual store. Check AppData\Local\VirtualStore and the program files directory under it.


    edit: yeah, just checked it. It'll be under AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\Saves if you installed to the default directory under 64bit.

    Why do they make it so wonky?

    Probably some security reason. This is why I never install anything in Program Files/default location.

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  • IdolisideIdoliside Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I wish Microsoft could just make a non-shitty version of Windows.

    I bought Vista Business 64-bit when I built my work computer but as it turns out the printer drivers don't work in 64-bit windows, and then when I downgraded to 32-bit windows CorelDraw crashed every time I printed out of it.

    Now I'm on XP and it crashes seemingly ever 4 or 5 hours and I have to restart the entire computer. Raargh.

    Edit: And even on a 3.0Ghz C2Q and 8GB of ram it seems oddly slow.

    So you've not tried Windows 7 then.
    And yes, printers + 64 bit drivers = fail.
    And how old is coreldraw! I thought they stopped making that in the 90s. Get on the 'shop.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    CorelDraw is still actively maintained software.

    It's a vector based program, converting to Photoshop doesn't really work. Converting to Illustrator would be a better argument.

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  • NeoElectronautNeoElectronaut __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    Driver authors for Windows are notoriously bad.

    It's why my W7 machine has no 3rd party drivers.. if Windows update doesn't provide it, I'm not installing it.

    As an example, I have a Pinnacle PCTV USB2 capture device, and a Line 6 Pocket Pod (guitar effects toy). There's some weird interaction between the drivers of the Pinnacle device and the Line 6 device.. if I have the Pinnacle drivers installed and plug in the Line 6, I get a blue screen. Every single time.

    Remove the drivers.. everything's peachy (well, then I can't use my capture card, but at least the system doesn't nosedive).

    Seriously, fuck device drivers.

    Unfortunately it's not quite so cut and dry.

    I'm outputting to a laser engraver. Something I don't think Windows supports natively.

    Edit: And I apologize for my previous post. It was just a bit of a rage dump.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited October 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    Driver authors for Windows are notoriously bad.

    It's why my W7 machine has no 3rd party drivers.. if Windows update doesn't provide it, I'm not installing it.

    As an example, I have a Pinnacle PCTV USB2 capture device, and a Line 6 Pocket Pod (guitar effects toy). There's some weird interaction between the drivers of the Pinnacle device and the Line 6 device.. if I have the Pinnacle drivers installed and plug in the Line 6, I get a blue screen. Every single time.

    Remove the drivers.. everything's peachy (well, then I can't use my capture card, but at least the system doesn't nosedive).

    Seriously, fuck device drivers.

    Unfortunately it's not quite so cut and dry.

    I'm outputting to a laser engraver. Something I don't think Windows supports natively.

    Edit: And I apologize for my previous post. It was just a bit of a rage dump.

    Win7 business has a native XP VM, so anything you can do in XP you can do in 7, including drivers.

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  • MorskittarMorskittar Lord Warlock Engineer SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    syndalis wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    Driver authors for Windows are notoriously bad.

    It's why my W7 machine has no 3rd party drivers.. if Windows update doesn't provide it, I'm not installing it.

    As an example, I have a Pinnacle PCTV USB2 capture device, and a Line 6 Pocket Pod (guitar effects toy). There's some weird interaction between the drivers of the Pinnacle device and the Line 6 device.. if I have the Pinnacle drivers installed and plug in the Line 6, I get a blue screen. Every single time.

    Remove the drivers.. everything's peachy (well, then I can't use my capture card, but at least the system doesn't nosedive).

    Seriously, fuck device drivers.

    Unfortunately it's not quite so cut and dry.

    I'm outputting to a laser engraver. Something I don't think Windows supports natively.

    Edit: And I apologize for my previous post. It was just a bit of a rage dump.

    Win7 business has a native XP VM, so anything you can do in XP you can do in 7, including drivers.

    I've been using XP Mode for an internal tool that doesn't work on 64-bit, as well as for faxes through Office (which don't work on 64-bit). It's awesome, 'cause it will automatically generate a shortcut to any programs you use, and then allows you to interact with them as if they were running under 7. Takes a bit longer to start, but it's a great tool for old stuff.

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  • sir_pinch-a-loafsir_pinch-a-loaf #YODORegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I just found out that my processor doesn't support virtualization, so I can't use XP Mode. Oh well.

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  • RBachRBach Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Then use Virtualbox, VMware, or Parallels instead. You don't get the start menu integration (or a "free" XP license) but any one of those options is miles ahead of Microsoft's Virtual PC in speed, performance, and features.

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  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Will it be possible to move from the last test verision of 7 to the retail release?

    I really don't want to format again...

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Will it be possible to move from the last test verision of 7 to the retail release?

    I really don't want to format again...

    Someone should post this in the OP (unless it is there) since it is asked so often.

    There is a hack to do an in-place upgrade, but it's not really recommended. So yes, you should format again.

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    clsCorwin wrote: »
    Zxerol wrote: »
    If it saves to its application directory (which I remember Morrowind does), then UAC will redirect it to the virtual store. Check AppData\Local\VirtualStore and the program files directory under it.


    edit: yeah, just checked it. It'll be under AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\Saves if you installed to the default directory under 64bit.

    Why do they make it so wonky?

    Probably some security reason. This is why I never install anything in Program Files/default location.

    Pretty much. The idea is that applications should never write to program or system locations and should always use the user directory (appdata) if they need to write something, because writing to the former locations required administrator privileges. Most newer applications nowadays are well-behaved. Of course, this being the Windows ecosystem, legacy applications didn't care one iota since everyone ran as administrator back in the day anyway.

    UAC creates a virtualized filesystem so that they'll continue to work without forcing you to elevate to admin for every single one of them -- the wonders of being obligated to support decades worth of applications. (Steam is one I've run across that doesn't have this issue because its installer goes out of its way to change the permissions for its directory.)

    Keep in mind the idea of restricting applications/system locations is something that has been enforced by saner operating systems since forever. Windows is just catching up.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I just want to say I absolutely love how Excel 2007's window management is completely fucking broken in windows 7.

    Taskbar thumbnails? Fucked. Two workbooks on your screen at once in separate windows? Impossible. Minimizing Virtual PC when Excel is the next window? Broken.

    Come on Microsoft. This is atrocious.

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  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Sounds like Office 2008 on Mac OS X 10.5...

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  • Evil_ReaverEvil_Reaver Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Man... this sucks.

    I work for my school's IT department and for whatever reason we've been having these weird wireless issues across campus where random laptops can't connect to the network. It started with Vista, then spread to OS X 10.6 when it came out, and now it affects Windows 7 computers. I've been running Windows 7 in Boot Camp on my Macbook Pro for weeks and I got hit by the no-wireless bug this week.

    Now I have to revert back to XP because I have to have wireless connectivity for the law school's test taking software.

    Talk about a disappointing end to my day.

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  • McClyMcCly Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'm kind of slow when it comes to this stuff. I'm ready to install 7 on my laptop, but I want to keep Vista as well for now. I know I need to set up a partition, but I don't know how to. What's the best way of doing this? (I have an internal and an external harddrive if that helps any.)

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  • UEAKCrashUEAKCrash heh Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'm using the CPU/ memory usage gadget now and noticed something.

    Over the past few days of leaving my machine running, my memory doesn't seem to be dumping. Nothing running whatsoever seems to be using over 50% of my 4gigs of memory. I know this was a problem before, but I kind of hoped by Win 7, they figured this one out.

    Any fix for this, or should I just suck it up and reboot my machine every couple days?

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  • Lord JezoLord Jezo Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Is there a way to keep that UAC thing on yet have it only bother me if real changes are going to be made? Right now it needs to ask permission to move a file or to make a copy of things.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    UEAKCrash wrote: »
    I'm using the CPU/ memory usage gadget now and noticed something.

    Over the past few days of leaving my machine running, my memory doesn't seem to be dumping. Nothing running whatsoever seems to be using over 50% of my 4gigs of memory. I know this was a problem before, but I kind of hoped by Win 7, they figured this one out.

    Any fix for this, or should I just suck it up and reboot my machine every couple days?

    You're assuming it's something that needs to be fixed.

    The longer you leave your machine running, the more it's seeing what on disk data you access more frequently, the more it's using that information to pre-cache frequently accessed items.

    Empty RAM isn't earning its keep. Let the computer figure out when it can profitably pre-load stuff; it will kick it out if you need it for anything, anyways.

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  • sinnsinn Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Azio wrote: »
    I just want to say I absolutely love how Excel 2007's window management is completely fucking broken in windows 7.

    Taskbar thumbnails? Fucked. Two workbooks on your screen at once in separate windows? Impossible. Minimizing Virtual PC when Excel is the next window? Broken.

    Come on Microsoft. This is atrocious.


    You're quite right about the thumbnails, and I don't have VPC installed on this machine to check that one, but your other complaint can be solved easily. Open two workbooks, look on the View tab of the ribbon and click the View all button to choose your window mode.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    Is there a way to keep that UAC thing on yet have it only bother me if real changes are going to be made? Right now it needs to ask permission to move a file or to make a copy of things.

    control panel>user accounts>user accounts>user account control settings

    slide the slider to the second notch from the bottom

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  • UEAKCrashUEAKCrash heh Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    UEAKCrash wrote: »
    I'm using the CPU/ memory usage gadget now and noticed something.

    Over the past few days of leaving my machine running, my memory doesn't seem to be dumping. Nothing running whatsoever seems to be using over 50% of my 4gigs of memory. I know this was a problem before, but I kind of hoped by Win 7, they figured this one out.

    Any fix for this, or should I just suck it up and reboot my machine every couple days?

    You're assuming it's something that needs to be fixed.

    The longer you leave your machine running, the more it's seeing what on disk data you access more frequently, the more it's using that information to pre-cache frequently accessed items.

    Empty RAM isn't earning its keep. Let the computer figure out when it can profitably pre-load stuff; it will kick it out if you need it for anything, anyways.

    Oh yeah. I guess that makes a lot of sense. I just noticed a bit of stuttering in the game I was playing that wasn't related to latency. It might have still just been the server though.

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  • MorskittarMorskittar Lord Warlock Engineer SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    sinn wrote: »
    Azio wrote: »
    I just want to say I absolutely love how Excel 2007's window management is completely fucking broken in windows 7.

    Taskbar thumbnails? Fucked. Two workbooks on your screen at once in separate windows? Impossible. Minimizing Virtual PC when Excel is the next window? Broken.

    Come on Microsoft. This is atrocious.


    You're quite right about the thumbnails, and I don't have VPC installed on this machine to check that one, but your other complaint can be solved easily. Open two workbooks, look on the View tab of the ribbon and click the View all button to choose your window mode.

    Thumbnails will work if workbooks are in separate instances, as will snap. Still a hassle, though 2010 solves it.

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  • LeoniusLeonius Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Email cleared for the student offer - am I understanding correctly that you can't upgrade 32b to 64b? And if that is the case - I own a premium vista copy - is it possible to DL a 64b version free because of that?

    I'd really like to have 64b for when I build my new PC this winter.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Leonius wrote: »
    Email cleared for the student offer - am I understanding correctly that you can't upgrade 32b to 64b? And if that is the case - I own a premium vista copy - is it possible to DL a 64b version free because of that?

    I'd really like to have 64b for when I build my new PC this winter.

    I think you're a bit confused. You can use an upgrade license for Win7 to upgrade from Vista 32 bit to Win7 64 but, but you can't do an in-place upgrade, you have to format and install.

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