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L4D2 not approved in Australia
Walking_Target
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Apparently the australian version of the ESRB refused to give Left 4 Dead 2 a classification; this means that it cannot be sold in Australia.
Which sucks; despite the fact that i'm (obviously) boycotting that game, it's still rediculous to have a gov't agency telling folks that they can't buy a game. That decision should rest with mature consumers.
Relevant Links:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/102/1025650p1.html
http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/5b6ebdff7f5b9a24ca2575ca00062226/1ab758e7e649aa5eca257633005daca4!OpenDocument
Makes me wonder if the Australian ratings board is responding to Gabe's boycott of that map maker's campaign... The timing is hilariously ironic.
Which sucks; despite the fact that i'm (obviously) boycotting that game, it's still rediculous to have a gov't agency telling folks that they can't buy a game. That decision should rest with mature consumers.
Relevant Links:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/102/1025650p1.html
http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/5b6ebdff7f5b9a24ca2575ca00062226/1ab758e7e649aa5eca257633005daca4!OpenDocument
Makes me wonder if the Australian ratings board is responding to Gabe's boycott of that map maker's campaign... The timing is hilariously ironic.
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I'll refrain from making any editorial comments.
What is so different about L4D2 than the original?
The OFLC can't seem to decide on any kind of coherent standard.
We need an 18+ rating to stop this from happening in the future and if it wasn't for wanker Michael Atkinson being the only idiot stopping the system from changing for the better.
It was a stick.
Sorry, I had thought that was about the trip Gabe's taking to Australia.
What the fuck why?
IIRC, most ex-british colonies didn't have constitutional BoR, although under British law they had legislative rights. Canada didn't add a BoR to their constitution until the 60s.
Somehow I didn't really expect much more from the founder of the most retarded movement ever to plague gaming.
Oh crap, you should have given us this content for free so we won't pay for it. That will show 'em! I've only played L4D1 like 150 hours, that's such a ripoff for $50; we deserve more free content.
Wow.
Yeah fuck that shit.
There are lots of things I do not like about this country, but our constitutional right to freedom of expression is not one of them.
I'm surprised Australians haven't thrown a revolution or something for a bill of rights.
Sorry, but Valve had stated that L4D support would be in the same manner as TF2. Not all, but a fair number of people bought into L4D because of this and knowing Valve's reputation; L4D was not released with the ammount of content people expect of a $50 game. Especially when the SDK was not even our of beta over 6 months later with no support for custom content until about 8 months after release.
Valve pretty much said that L4D content had been light and late in comming when we talked to them. CrashCourse represents the first major DLC since the 'Survival' update. By the way, I might add that 'Survival' just added a GUI way to do what you could already do by entering a console command and using a stopwatch as well as 1 new survival map. Arguably, it also added "Versus" to two of the campaigns that did not ship with it; a fair number of people also think that all 4 campaigns should have shipped with Versus mode anyways.
Now, before people get into arguing that "at this point in the product life, TF2 wasn't even half as well supported": 1. TF2 had never cost $50 new. 2. TF2 didn't have a sequel comming out a year later. 3: TF2's bugs were fixed with a tad more alacrity. content is secondary when a game still needs major bug/exploit fixes 2 months to the day before the release of it's sequel.
As for the Boycott being the "most retarded movement ever to plague gaming".... How is holding a publisher to what they say "retarded"?
Moreover, when the CEO of Valve says that we have "raised some legitimate concerns", does that make him retarded as well? Because when I talked to him, he seemed to be a pretty smart and decent guy.
Face it. Valve made a mistake, at least they're trying to rectify the situation; a lot of other game developers wouldn't even pay attention to fans saying they are displeased. That's exatly what makes Valve a great game company and why I personally started the boycott. I was pissed off and I belived that Valve would listen if they heard enough of their fans were displeased with what was happening.
As for me, I believe that Valve will support L4D, but as I have said that I would, I also need to see some tangible proof in the hands of the community before I quit the boycott.
The mistake most people make is that the L4D2 boycott isn't really about L4D2. It's about L4D and the lack of support thus far.
Then again, I'm replying to a person that just called 41,700 people 'retarded' by proxy; sadly enough I don't believe that RandomEngy will see what's wrong with calling into quesiton the mental capablities of such a diverse group of people.
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Maybe you should have bought that instead.
he is secretly robin walker in disguise, advocating his own game
secret agendas and such
Actually a year after its release TF2 had: The Goldrush update, the Heavy Update, and the Pyro update. And a basically weekly patches of varying sizes.
Not according to Australians I've talked to. If you try and gift them a game that's been refused classification, Steam informs you that the game is not able to be legally owned in that territory.
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a) is in office, and
b) can dictate the politics of classification outside his fucking state.
a) South Australia loves him.
b) Australia's censorship and classification schemes are boneheaded and regressive, requiring the agreement of all state governors to pass changes.
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Kevin Rudds kid is a gamer, you'd think he'd have some pull with his father over this shit.
And then they act surprised that people disapprove. You are attempting to get between me and more of what I want. Get out of the way.
I hate having to do research on games to find out if I can buy a complete game in a store or if I have to pay an extra $25 or $30 and order it from NZ.
I also think Michael Atkinson can eat a dick. A poisoned dick. He's one of those people that say violent games lead to violent behavior while ignoring violence in other forms of media. All he is one of those bandwagon-hopping politicians who clings to "think of the children" style issues because they make for good sound bites.
B-b-but they have to spend their [strike]own[/strike] parent's money to buy L4D2! You can see the problem here!
Wow... because showing Valve that almost 42k worth of their fans aren't happy with the support for one of their games *really* ruins your own chance to enjoy the sequel to that game, right? If you've ever bothered to read what we've said on the subject you'd understand a few things. The first of which is that we asked Valve to consider *dealying* the sequel... note... not *cancel*. We also had asked for L4D2 to be released as premium DLC instead of a stand alone sequel to avoid splitting the community. But then again, if you had read anything on the subject, you would see that those points were ceeded long ago.
Somehow I don't see how we're asking valve to "trim portion sizes" (cut DOWN on content) by saying we won't buy their new game due to poor support for the first. If anything, we're trying to encourage Valve to add MORE content in like they had said they were going to, which would tell them that folks want MORE content to come out for L4D2 after its release, just like with L4D.
In either case, you can disagree with people and make your own choices... there's a PRO-L4D2 group on Steam, why not join that and and the official L4D2 group to show how much more popular it is than the Boycott?
So, please, think your arguement through before posting such ill considered (and dare i say it?) "Retarded" drivel.
Huh... try that again with logic maybe? I work for a living and am a college grad. The only money I spend is my own.
Your arguement is ill considered as well, as children who would have their parents buy it for them would not be very concerned with cost so long as a new toy ended up in their sweaty little hands.
The more logical argument is that folks who have to pay for their own entertainment are pissed off because they don't feel they are getting what they were told to expect when they forked over $50.
So please, both of you; if you're going to try and make it sound like the boycott group is just a bunch of whiny children at least bring some logical, well reasoned arguements to the table; don't bring that ***t into my kitchen.
Their recourse is to -- not buy the new game.
Hey guess what? The boycotters are part of fringe group, no ones going to join the pro l4d2 group because the people who buy the game don't give a shit, according to this article L4D sold 2.5 million copies at retail in March. So 42,000 is about .01% in sales. Two if you round up, and that's minus steam.
Will buy L4D 2
"Send Protest Mail to Brendan.O'Connor.MP@aph.gov.au, ! Give Aussie's our L4D2"
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to import a piece of media that is refused classification, and getting someone to gift it via steam could be classed as that.
You're a regular apostrophe lover, aren't you?
Does that email address even work? I didn't think you could have that kind of punctuation in there.
Also, Aussies.
I do want to email, I just want an address that will work.
http://www.aph.gov.au/B_OConnor_MP/
http://www.nswalp.com/labor-people/9/132/brendan-o-connor-mp
http://www.brendanoconnor.com.au/contact/
etc etc
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