Well some people would be doing that if they knew for sure or strongly suspected their future was bad enough. I figure most people's future wouldn't go to hell in 6 months, though. Some would, and yeah, they should be doing everything they can to change it. Like FBI Guy losing his wife and getting gun downed in his office...
And really, they all saw the exact same two minutes. Think about your average two minutes. 99% of the people that even saw themselves awake in the first place, saw themselves doing laundry, or sitting on the toilet, or doing paperwork, or paying the bills, or jacking off to internet porn. A very, very, very minor segment of the population would have seen anything of any significance in the first place.
They were privy to what they were feeling at the time as well, weren't they? If so, then everyone who was awake should at least know what their major concern of the moment was since that's never really far from a person's mind.
Well some people would be doing that if they knew for sure or strongly suspected their future was bad enough. I figure most people's future wouldn't go to hell in 6 months, though. Some would, and yeah, they should be doing everything they can to change it. Like FBI Guy losing his wife and getting gun downed in his office...
Imagine say, 0.1% of people were dead in their vision. Thats 1 in a thousand. If I was one of those, I would be finding out every vision I could and changing the world enough that it couldn't happen. If I had the resources I'd have buildings torn down, change the names of newspapers, pay people to get tattoos and so forth. If I was immoral, I would kidnap someone who did have a vision and do literally all in my power to kill them, or change their looks enough that their vision was impossible.
And really, they all saw the exact same two minutes. Think about your average two minutes. 99% of the people that even saw themselves awake in the first place, saw themselves doing laundry, or sitting on the toilet, or doing paperwork, or paying the bills, or jacking off to internet porn. A very, very, very minor segment of the population would have seen anything of any significance in the first place.
Since I know when they will take place, I would prepare for my vision minutes well in advance and try to send back a maximum amount of useful information.
Well some people would be doing that if they knew for sure or strongly suspected their future was bad enough. I figure most people's future wouldn't go to hell in 6 months, though. Some would, and yeah, they should be doing everything they can to change it. Like FBI Guy losing his wife and getting gun downed in his office...
Imagine say, 0.1% of people were dead in their vision. Thats 1 in a thousand. If I was one of those, I would be finding out every vision I could and changing the world enough that it couldn't happen. If I had the resources I'd have buildings torn down, change the names of newspapers, pay people to get tattoos and so forth. If I was immoral, I would kidnap someone who did have a vision and do literally all in my power to kill them, or change their looks enough that their vision was impossible.
All that would do is create a new unknown future where you still may very well die.
I mean if you have a future and change it by printing the tattoo or something, then yay, the future is different. You could still easily die with a new tattoo. You'd have to find out how you died and actually try to avoid that...
Man, I'm really digging this show - not cause of the future vision thing, but because of the conspiracy people storyline.
edit: also stop trying to ruin the show by extrapolating carnage estimates and hospitals timetables of said carnage. It's a tv show, 90% of the people watching it won't care about that crap and neither should you.
Well some people would be doing that if they knew for sure or strongly suspected their future was bad enough. I figure most people's future wouldn't go to hell in 6 months, though. Some would, and yeah, they should be doing everything they can to change it. Like FBI Guy losing his wife and getting gun downed in his office...
Imagine say, 0.1% of people were dead in their vision. Thats 1 in a thousand. If I was one of those, I would be finding out every vision I could and changing the world enough that it couldn't happen. If I had the resources I'd have buildings torn down, change the names of newspapers, pay people to get tattoos and so forth. If I was immoral, I would kidnap someone who did have a vision and do literally all in my power to kill them, or change their looks enough that their vision was impossible.
All that would do is create a new unknown future where you still may very well die.
I mean if you have a future and change it by printing the tattoo or something, then yay, the future is different. You could still easily die with a new tattoo. You'd have to find out how you died and actually try to avoid that...
Err, but then you are just back to normal 'nobody knows the future' universe. You (person who saw a vision when he was dead) was MUCH happier with that, as are many who did see the future. I think a huge number of people would have seen either things they didn't care about (thus making them happy to agree to help change it) or have seen things they truly despised (making them desperate to change it)
Its like saying, "Would you like to have a 100% chance of death, or for things to just be as they are"
Well we already know the future has to change to some degree because people know what they were thinking at the time of their visions and that it generally wasn't, "Hey, my vision came true!" That, of course, is what people will think when their visions come true now.
Well we already know the future has to change to some degree because people know what they were thinking at the time of their visions and that it generally wasn't, "Hey, my vision came true!" That, of course, is what people will think when their visions come true now.
Well we already know the future has to change to some degree because people know what they were thinking at the time of their visions and that it generally wasn't, "Hey, my vision came true!" That, of course, is what people will think when their visions come true now.
Hahah, good point. The future changed itself!
Yes, a very good point which I slightly expect to be completely ignored.
Well we already know the future has to change to some degree because people know what they were thinking at the time of their visions and that it generally wasn't, "Hey, my vision came true!" That, of course, is what people will think when their visions come true now.
Hahah, good point. The future changed itself!
Yes, a very good point which I slightly expect to be completely ignored.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this show. It's coming off somewhat uninteresting, and they're really playing on FBI man's family life. Sure, sure, I want to see family life, but the show's scope seemed to suggest that it would be more about the overall effects of everybody in the world seeing the future, and how the world copes, rather than how this guy copes.
And while his relationship with his wife is cute and interesting, I'm getting to the point where I want to punch the TV every time they talk about the future and her leaving him.
Hey, dipshit! Keep harping on the fact, and keep showing her you don't trust her! That can't possibly have any negative affects, can it?
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Well I'm loving the hell out of this show, dunno about you guys. I crave this kind of stuff, looking for clues and 'oh holy shit this might be a lead' and then 'nope it's a dead end' BUT THEN 'holy shit something else we missed'. Forget inaccurate representations of destruction, this show is awesome.
Any idea how it's doing in the ratings? I will be heartbroken if this disappears halfway through the season.
WTF? Why did they need the nazi guy to tell them that there was a mass die-off of crows. Surely that would be obvious to just about everyone in the world, given the prevalence of crows?
WTF? Why did they need the nazi guy to tell them that there was a mass die-off of crows. Surely that would be obvious to just about everyone in the world, given the prevalence of crows?
I'm going to go with "It got lost in the mass hysteria and the countless millions of dead people."
WTF? Why did they need the nazi guy to tell them that there was a mass die-off of crows. Surely that would be obvious to just about everyone in the world, given the prevalence of crows?
I'm going to go with "It got lost in the mass hysteria and the countless millions of dead people."
I was more bothered that the pardon wasn't contingent on whether or not the info will lead to the discovery of what's behind the blackout. l2negotiate
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WTF? Why did they need the nazi guy to tell them that there was a mass die-off of crows. Surely that would be obvious to just about everyone in the world, given the prevalence of crows?
On that note, why did they need a Nazi, period? It's only the 3rd episode in and they already Godwin-ed themselves. It also seems odd to me that this particular Nazi is so well professed in the tenets of Kaballah.
I know they wanted to express the fact that people may end up making morally questionable choices (or choices they normally wouldn't make) based on what they saw in the future, but you'd think there'd be a way to do that in the year 2009 without involving a Nazi, of all people.
The writing in the show is not great, but it is keeping me interested just because how off-the-wall it is. Last week the bad guy was holed up in an abandoned doll factory for no discernible reason other than the fact that unassembled dolls are creepy and melted doll faces look cool. This week we introduce the last living Nazi because nazis are a lazy writer's shorthand for pure evil. I can't wait to see how Charlie from Lost and the mystery lady with the untraceable cellphone fit into all this.
Reading the book beforehand gave me certain expectations about how the show would proceed and they've managed to defy every last one of them. I have yet to decide if this is a good or a bad thing, but at least they've managed to keep me watching!
I can see why they changed it from years to months for the TV show, but it seems things are going to change a little too quick. They could have at least gone with a year. And people are giving up/going along with the visions too easy. Either disprove the hell out of what you saw or don't, no half measures.
Ex-Drunk digs up the "remains" and you know damn well it's 1 of her legs or something and she's still alive somewhere. FBI Guy's wife is having "I'm going to leave my husband" moments despite swearing up and down she wont. Just argh.
The mystery is good, they need to work out the details of the reveal.
What does that accomplish for your own future though? HA TAKE THAT FUTURE, I MADE THE POPULATION ONE LESS.
Meanwhile yours still continues as if nothing happened. I guess that's kind of flawed too actually.
By killing someone who had a vision you prove that the future can be changed and what you saw was not set in stone. If only one vision can be changed by performing an irreversible act, then they can all be changed with simple everyday decisions.
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End of episode spoilers.
"I'm afraid talking to me is an inconvenience you'll have to deal with, now that we are responsible for the single greatest disaster in human history! MUWAAHAHAHAHAA"
That's how it felt like it should've been delivered. I liked the reveal but I did not think the line was that great, it felt like something a cartoon villain would say, and finish with evil laughter.
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The ending just proves he's no good on top of her being married and whatnot.
And they're already into self-fulfilling prophecy territory. The only reason that guy lived/is going to live is because of the vision, which if he hadn't had none of this would be happening etc.
And they're already into self-fulfilling prophecy territory. The only reason that guy lived/is going to live is because of the vision, which if he hadn't had none of this would be happening etc.
Not really. If they hadn't had the blackout he wouldn't have had the internal bleeding, but he would still have had Addisons and could have ended up at that club.
Plenty in the show to pick on other than that though.
Mised the first episode but watched the second - pretty decent I thought. Have sky-plussed this so will watch the next few and see how it goes. Also caught something called Fringe which seems decent. I haven't watched a tv show regularly in roughly 5 years so am kind of looking forward to it - sad I know.
I really enjoyed the fourth. I think it's starting to pick up now that there are interesting bits before the ending.
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This episode asked more questions then it answered.
Who told Mark's wife he was drinking? Is the chick gonna die, and in turning down the girl, did she essentially say screw you to her future and pay the price? Aaaaaaah.
I am glad there was less focus on hospital drama though. The Somalia thing is looking to get interesting, I want more investigating that damnit!
Also someone else mentioned blacking out while sky diving would kill you. But it wouldnt, they now have something that automatically deploys your parachute just in case you black out. Now granted they could land in some lava or maybe a spike pit but otherwise they would be fine.
I am still unsure about this show. It has stuck with a standard mediocrity that makes it good background noise but not good enough for me to care if it keeps going or not. I keeping hoping it gets better but by the next preview they are going to focus on my least favorite of the story lines again.
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This episode asked more questions then it answered.
Who told Mark's wife he was drinking? Is the chick gonna die, and in turning down the girl, did she essentially say screw you to her future and pay the price? Aaaaaaah.
I am glad there was less focus on hospital drama though. The Somalia thing is looking to get interesting, I want more investigating that damnit!
Yea this definitely looked like it was picking up. At least they learned how to leave the episode ending with a cliff hanger to get people to want to watch more.
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I really hope they can pick this show up off the floor. Vaguely interesting, but with other shows like Fringe and Lost around, it really has no hope of survival.
I honestly tried to watch, but it's just so poor. Whereas other shows for the most part hope their audience has some intelligence about them, whoever decided to put this show together decided to spoon feed *everything*, and I just can't take it. I know that wifey saw that guy, don't replay the FF five times every time they see each other to remind me. Really poor. I might be able to accept it if there was some dpeth to the show, bt there isn't, yet at least. I passed over LOST at first, and didn't want to make the same mistake here, but I can see why Five was the channel to pick up this.
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Imagine say, 0.1% of people were dead in their vision. Thats 1 in a thousand. If I was one of those, I would be finding out every vision I could and changing the world enough that it couldn't happen. If I had the resources I'd have buildings torn down, change the names of newspapers, pay people to get tattoos and so forth. If I was immoral, I would kidnap someone who did have a vision and do literally all in my power to kill them, or change their looks enough that their vision was impossible.
Since I know when they will take place, I would prepare for my vision minutes well in advance and try to send back a maximum amount of useful information.
All that would do is create a new unknown future where you still may very well die.
I mean if you have a future and change it by printing the tattoo or something, then yay, the future is different. You could still easily die with a new tattoo. You'd have to find out how you died and actually try to avoid that...
edit: also stop trying to ruin the show by extrapolating carnage estimates and hospitals timetables of said carnage. It's a tv show, 90% of the people watching it won't care about that crap and neither should you.
Err, but then you are just back to normal 'nobody knows the future' universe. You (person who saw a vision when he was dead) was MUCH happier with that, as are many who did see the future. I think a huge number of people would have seen either things they didn't care about (thus making them happy to agree to help change it) or have seen things they truly despised (making them desperate to change it)
Its like saying, "Would you like to have a 100% chance of death, or for things to just be as they are"
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Hahah, good point. The future changed itself!
Yes, a very good point which I slightly expect to be completely ignored.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this show. It's coming off somewhat uninteresting, and they're really playing on FBI man's family life. Sure, sure, I want to see family life, but the show's scope seemed to suggest that it would be more about the overall effects of everybody in the world seeing the future, and how the world copes, rather than how this guy copes.
And while his relationship with his wife is cute and interesting, I'm getting to the point where I want to punch the TV every time they talk about the future and her leaving him.
Hey, dipshit! Keep harping on the fact, and keep showing her you don't trust her! That can't possibly have any negative affects, can it?
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Any idea how it's doing in the ratings? I will be heartbroken if this disappears halfway through the season.
Ah! Just kill one of the people who happened to be in the MRI at the time and had the dream-like brain patterns. Perfect!
Meanwhile yours still continues as if nothing happened. I guess that's kind of flawed too actually.
I'm going to go with "It got lost in the mass hysteria and the countless millions of dead people."
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On that note, why did they need a Nazi, period? It's only the 3rd episode in and they already Godwin-ed themselves. It also seems odd to me that this particular Nazi is so well professed in the tenets of Kaballah.
I know they wanted to express the fact that people may end up making morally questionable choices (or choices they normally wouldn't make) based on what they saw in the future, but you'd think there'd be a way to do that in the year 2009 without involving a Nazi, of all people.
The writing in the show is not great, but it is keeping me interested just because how off-the-wall it is. Last week the bad guy was holed up in an abandoned doll factory for no discernible reason other than the fact that unassembled dolls are creepy and melted doll faces look cool. This week we introduce the last living Nazi because nazis are a lazy writer's shorthand for pure evil. I can't wait to see how Charlie from Lost and the mystery lady with the untraceable cellphone fit into all this.
Reading the book beforehand gave me certain expectations about how the show would proceed and they've managed to defy every last one of them. I have yet to decide if this is a good or a bad thing, but at least they've managed to keep me watching!
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On the other hand, I'm three episodes in and it's becoming more difficult to take Joseph Fiennes seriously. The guy has one look - constipated.
By killing someone who had a vision you prove that the future can be changed and what you saw was not set in stone. If only one vision can be changed by performing an irreversible act, then they can all be changed with simple everyday decisions.
And they're already into self-fulfilling prophecy territory. The only reason that guy lived/is going to live is because of the vision, which if he hadn't had none of this would be happening etc.
Now to go finish reading the book.
Not really. If they hadn't had the blackout he wouldn't have had the internal bleeding, but he would still have had Addisons and could have ended up at that club.
Plenty in the show to pick on other than that though.
Stephanie Weir's appearance made the episode for me, that was great.
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I am glad there was less focus on hospital drama though. The Somalia thing is looking to get interesting, I want more investigating that damnit!
Also someone else mentioned blacking out while sky diving would kill you. But it wouldnt, they now have something that automatically deploys your parachute just in case you black out. Now granted they could land in some lava or maybe a spike pit but otherwise they would be fine.
Yea this definitely looked like it was picking up. At least they learned how to leave the episode ending with a cliff hanger to get people to want to watch more.
As of right now, this is the only reason I'm watching the show.
I really hope they can pick this show up off the floor. Vaguely interesting, but with other shows like Fringe and Lost around, it really has no hope of survival.
Well, unless there's more lesbian lip-locking.