That's how this started. I said you shouldn't let enemies push towers and was called a douche. Pretty simple. Giving the enemy team free gold is never a good idea. Seems like a fair point to make.
Douche.
(I think people are making fun of the fact that you guys are arguing about this shit.)
(I get it. It just doesn't matter. See, the argument is at an impasse. I believe that his foes were bad but his tactics were dubious at best and he believes I know little about the game because I am unaware of circumstances or have poor strategy. I present my opinion as fact and I am sure he does the same, so we are unable to move forward in any reasonable way so we only have this - and it's fun but I bet it is tiring for the rest of the thread ... well, as much as there IS a rest of the thread.
Personally, I really dislike the changes to Hack and Slash but I never got the items before and I remain uninterested in purchasing the item for really any heroes but I suppose I don't purchase a lot of items in general.)
Yes, you told me to not let the enemy push towers, easier said than done in a 1v3. It was a stupid "protip" because I can't be at 3 towers at once. I said I "let them have my first 2 rows of towers on purpose" (but denying 3 of my 6 towers I let them have) because soon as it became 1v3, I thought to myself, it would be easier to defend my base towers and have a "1v3 pool fight" than to do 1v3 at a tower half way into the map, where I could find myself in a bad situation. AT the same time I've played so many games that I know if I have 3 lanes all pushed to my base, I know that with MageBane I can bounce between 3 lanes to get CK faster than if all 3 lanes aren't pushed.
Anyways, I know that if I have all my teammates in a 3v3 or 5v5, defending towers is important. You just came off as a dick for trying to give some "protip" that was completely retarded for the game I had just played. Someone comes on here and says their happy to win a 1v3 and you got to walk all over their parade. GJ
I added you to my friends list, so we can get down on a game. :P
sounds like why I quit playing this and went to LoL. even if we did have a PA pre-made, we'd go up against another pre-made who were probably better. then most of the time i'd pub, and probably play against a pre-made.
on a pub team, there will be one guy who is good.
one carry (probably stealth) who will KS and get some ganks then complain about how horrible the rest of his team is.
2 people playing carries who feed.
and me, who got to be pretty good at the laning phase but is horribly susceptible to ganks.
it got to be no fun to play to be honest. though, i realized i wasn't hardcore enough for this, and went to LoL where i can succeed.
maybe i should give this game another shot some time with the new heroes and all.
The only way you will have consistent fun playing hon or dota is if you get yourself a group of people to play with regularly. It doesn't have to be a clan or anything, but it has to be enough that you can always count on at least 1 other person on your team.
yea, that sounds right. before i'd stopped playing, i ended up being the odd man in an inhouse with some folks. actually played a decent valkyrie. but we still lost.
i should get on and play though, which hunter looks very interesting.
arrow/leap/call/call/call/arrow/call/arrow/arrow/ult for the valk imo. bottle boots wraiths build a thunderclaw or some crap. I dunno i dont play valk much.
how about that Forsaken Archer eh? I think she could be the new valk. shes astonishingly useful. I don't really love the skeletons, but the crippling volley is great, split shot is ridiculous with orbs and her ult is great in teamfights. Maybe not as good as valk but I think shes really deadly.
Split shot isn't really ridiculous.. I don't even level it.
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the skeletons are the best part about her
does a melee hero want to pick a fight? WOOPS skeletons deal a million damage and they die
or any hero for that matter because they run at the speed of infinity squared
Forsaken Archer is one of the worst heroes in the game.
She's picked in every pub game, though. And she's always awful. They always get ghost marchers and thunderclaw.
It's fun to beat them down, though. They're almost as bad as pubs that go vanguard arachna or vanguard engineer or carry Jereziah or runed axe swiftblade ... the list goes on.
So, she's a bad hero because idiots use stupid item builds on her? That's not the hero's fault.
What do you want me to say? She has a terrible disable that won't hit anybody with half a brain, an ult that you can just cancel (and she isn't going to build a bkb because then she won't have any damage output and a tablet stops bkb ults, anyway) her split shot is pointless until about 35 minutes in and skeletons feed gold to anybody with semi-decent damage in a lane. The only thing she's any good at is ninja pushing against baddies because they won't go defend their towers. She can't chase, she can't gank and her attack animation is decent so while she makes for an alright lane hero there's little for her to do with her farm.
She's awful. It is what it is. Any bad hero can be played by a decent player and have that hero elevated above how it is expected to perform but a forsaken archer or warbeast who clinches a game doesn't prove that the hero is useful, it proves that if you let the wrong person farm too much and don't end the game early you'll be paying for it down the road.
But according to the stats, Forsaken Archer is the best hero! Best win percentage, most kills and most gold and exp per minute!!! How could she be bad?!
But according to the stats, Forsaken Archer is the best hero! Best win percentage, most kills and most gold and exp per minute!!!
Yeah, man ... I should get in those em games and just push the lanes in and then hunt people down with my bad disable and thunderclaw them all to death and they can't get away because I have ghost marchers!
What are you saying about Thunderclaw? It's the best orb for her! You shoot so much lightning when you split shot!!
Yeah! 20% x 4 = 80%! That's an extra 120 damage every attack! To 3 units! And you're already hitting four things ... so ... that's an extra 480 damage! Every shot! For 3000 gold. And you shoot like 6 times a second because you have ghost marchers. It is the best.
EDIT: I'm not a mathematician, but I think the final damage increase by thunderclaw alone is 750,000%.
Ronaldo you are dumb, percentages dont work that way go back to school. With a 20% chance to proc thunderclaw thats a 1/5, and since you only get 4 shots with split shot that means on the 5th cycle of shots you will not shoot anything so the amplified damage is somewhere closer to about 300% thanks for playing.
EDIT: And Archer is an amazing hero I rape people in 1500-1600 APEM 3v3 Games all of the time.
Ronaldo you are dumb, percentages dont work that way go back to school. With a 20% chance to proc thunderclaw thats a 1/5, and since you only get 4 shots with split shot that means on the 5th cycle of shots you will not shoot anything so the amplified damage is somewhere closer to about 300% thanks for playing.
EDIT: And Archer is an amazing hero I rape people in 1500-1600 APEM 3v3 Games all of the time.
Ronaldo you are dumb, percentages dont work that way go back to school. With a 20% chance to proc thunderclaw thats a 1/5, and since you only get 4 shots with split shot that means on the 5th cycle of shots you will not shoot anything so the amplified damage is somewhere closer to about 300% thanks for playing.
EDIT: And Archer is an amazing hero I rape people in 1500-1600 APEM 3v3 Games all of the time.
woooooooooooshhhh :P
and I disagree heartily ronaldo:
crippling volley is no worse than any other aoe stun/disable with a delay on it (lina's lightstrike, kunkkas torrent, deadwoods root).
splitshot is up there with medusa's 5.84c split shot b/c of the way orbs stack
her ult is massive aoe damage. sure its cancelable but so are a LOT of other ults.
the only meh skill is the skeletons, which as you said are only ok for ninja pushing.
Ronaldo you are dumb, percentages dont work that way go back to school. With a 20% chance to proc thunderclaw thats a 1/5, and since you only get 4 shots with split shot that means on the 5th cycle of shots you will not shoot anything so the amplified damage is somewhere closer to about 300% thanks for playing.
EDIT: And Archer is an amazing hero I rape people in 1500-1600 APEM 3v3 Games all of the time.
woooooooooooshhhh :P
and I disagree heartily ronaldo:
crippling volley is no worse than any other aoe stun/disable with a delay on it (lina's lightstrike, kunkkas torrent, deadwoods root).
splitshot is up there with medusa's 5.84c split shot b/c of the way orbs stack
her ult is massive aoe damage. sure its cancelable but so are a LOT of other ults.
the only meh skill is the skeletons, which as you said are only ok for ninja pushing.
I'm glad that you disagree, but it doesn't matter. I can tell people not to play this hero but they will, regardless. And I will keep destroying them endlessly. Also, Kunkka's torrent IS Deadwood's root. Lightstrike is a lot better than either of those spells, and her ult is not "massive" and the "aoe" is a line. And what other ults require full channeling? Black hole? Death ward? Hm.
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Ronaldo you are dumb, percentages dont work that way go back to school. With a 20% chance to proc thunderclaw thats a 1/5, and since you only get 4 shots with split shot that means on the 5th cycle of shots you will not shoot anything so the amplified damage is somewhere closer to about 300% thanks for playing.
EDIT: And Archer is an amazing hero I rape people in 1500-1600 APEM 3v3 Games all of the time.
woooooooooooshhhh :P
and I disagree heartily ronaldo:
crippling volley is no worse than any other aoe stun/disable with a delay on it (lina's lightstrike, kunkkas torrent, deadwoods root).
splitshot is up there with medusa's 5.84c split shot b/c of the way orbs stack
her ult is massive aoe damage. sure its cancelable but so are a LOT of other ults.
the only meh skill is the skeletons, which as you said are only ok for ninja pushing.
I'm glad that you disagree, but it doesn't matter. I can tell people not to play this hero but they will, regardless. And I will keep destroying them endlessly. Also, Kunkka's torrent IS Deadwood's root. Lightstrike is a lot better than either of those spells, and her ult is not "massive" and the "aoe" is a line. And what other ults require full channeling? Black hole? Death ward? Hm.
Ronaldo you are dumb, percentages dont work that way go back to school. With a 20% chance to proc thunderclaw thats a 1/5, and since you only get 4 shots with split shot that means on the 5th cycle of shots you will not shoot anything so the amplified damage is somewhere closer to about 300% thanks for playing.
EDIT: And Archer is an amazing hero I rape people in 1500-1600 APEM 3v3 Games all of the time.
woooooooooooshhhh :P
and I disagree heartily ronaldo:
crippling volley is no worse than any other aoe stun/disable with a delay on it (lina's lightstrike, kunkkas torrent, deadwoods root).
splitshot is up there with medusa's 5.84c split shot b/c of the way orbs stack
her ult is massive aoe damage. sure its cancelable but so are a LOT of other ults.
the only meh skill is the skeletons, which as you said are only ok for ninja pushing.
I'm glad that you disagree, but it doesn't matter. I can tell people not to play this hero but they will, regardless. And I will keep destroying them endlessly. Also, Kunkka's torrent IS Deadwood's root. Lightstrike is a lot better than either of those spells, and her ult is not "massive" and the "aoe" is a line. And what other ults require full channeling? Black hole? Death ward? Hm.
Her stun: if you can't land it, don't play FA. She is useless without it. Unfortunately, most people don't seem to understand this.
My general strategy if I'm laning: Autoattack them once or twice when you have skeletons up. They'll back up a little bit. When they start backing up, THEN you launch your arrows. If you stun before they are backing up you're going to miss. Never stun JUST behind the person, always place the stun behind and to the side a little bit, so if they juke to the that side they'll still get hit. Then you can do whatever you want with them.
Split shot: I ignore this. I much prefer getting stats because then I take 2 seconds to kill as opposed to 1. It's nice that orbs apply to split shot and whatnot, but I've never really found it necessary.
Skeletons: They are reincarnations of the flash and are WONDERFUL for harassing and taking out towers. They're also ridiculous early game when no one really has any health. If I'm not last hitting a creep, then I am hitting the enemy hero (regardless of what the creeps are doing to me). Enemy heroes just melt early-mid game under the skeletons, and then they're easy to finish off with a stun.
Ult: Stupid damage output. At level 1, not so much, but once you hit level 2 and 3 it gets unbelievable. The problem is the timing and placement of it. You need the enemy team to be disabled for it to be of any use whatsoever (a couple of well placed stuns, or something like that), and you need to be far enough away when you first cast it that the enemy needs to run towards you in order to nuke you and stop the flurry. Otherwise you don't do any damage, and get absolutely annihilated. I find that at level 2 and above, if you start it immediately after you stun an enemy, you can kill them outright, or at the very least leave them with red hp if they don't have a lot of hp items.
The other problem with FA is that she is made of paper. If you don't have the enemy down to between 10-20% hp with your combo, you're going to die. You also need ridiculous map awareness, because you're gank-food.
But yeah, I find her to be an absolutely solid ganking/laning hero. It's just she takes a fairly high level of skill to play correctly. Mostly because you have to be aggressive as shit in the laning phase, and be able to land her stun more than 50% of the time to be of any use.
I don't know why you would think FA isn't any good. Pare her with say Swift Blade or Elec, or Pest, or really anyone else with a stun and you can kill dudes pretty easy in your lane. Once you have enough skellies, arrow volley, attack, have the other hero stun when arrow volley ends, BAM dead hero.
We used her on a Stun team tonight. We would roll AoE stuns on the team while she used her Ult right on top of them, worked like a charm. Pes, Hammer, Pebs, Hell Bringer, FA. Every team fight, so long as we were all there, was just the other team standing still getting pounded on by FA.
It's not that I suck at MOBA/AoS/DotA/LoL type games, it's just that each of them have some specific things that you have to learn by experience. You have to learn items, hero archetypes and roles, damage/defensive/supportive capabilities of each hero and item build, the neutrals and tower targeting and their capabilities, etc... the list goes on.
I tell people that I'm new when I join their (nostats) games. Usually people are cool with it and let me play with them but sometimes these people don't speak english or listen until we're in-game and I do something noobish.
I'M SORRY THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ENGLISH BUT PLEASE REFRAIN FROM TYPING THESE THINGS IN ALLCHAT DURING OUR GAME:
wite noob y he wreck my games?
lol y u not leave yet wite noob
omgf he take my time away so i wish i fuk him mom
i sex ur mom wite u suk at hon die
U SHUD BE BETTER NOOB
Even after multiple explanations that this was a nostats game and that I was new he went on a rant about how I was wrecking his PSR, his games (multiple?), how I should know what to buy and what not to buy, and that I should help him in teamfights (I thought I was... but okay). I guess christmas eve is a good time to rage at people for wrecking your stats in a nostats game.
Also, this guy was "scout" and picked him as soon as the game went up. Is this normal scout behavior?
TLDR; this game brings out nerdrage and incites nerdfights so hard.
Yes. Scout is one of the heroes that attracts prostar internet toughguys. If he's first picked then you know you're in for a party.
Other than that, I'd say don't bother with pubs. You're not going to learn anything by yourself, you need at least one other person who has a clue that can visually walk you through things for pubs to be of any use. So find someone and get them to show you some shit or it's going to be a long haul.
For just learning the heroes and items you should play a single player game and fuck around some. I'm sure S2 is planning a tutorial or AI map with the full release, but it should really be a bigger priority; AI maps help ease you in from nothing a lot better than just jumping into pubs and getting raged at.
I think Forsaken Archer is awful because she's awful.
It's pretty simple.
Oh no, you do what every Forsaken Archer does. You fire the stun slightly behind a person. What do you do if your opponent isn't a person with cerebral palsy and they walk at you when you try to stun? What if they aren't entirely predictable? What if you stop hitting any of your stuns because you aren't playing people with an IQ of 75?
That's unfortunate. Skeletons feed gold and she doesn't get last hits, anyway. Her ult is crap. She is crap.
Crap, crap, mega crap.
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skeletons only give five gold each, and if they're standing around killing skeletons you can hit them with your immobilize
not to mention the fact that if they're hitting your skeletons, your skeletons are hitting them for their entire life bar
skeletons only give five gold each, and if they're standing around killing skeletons you can hit them with your immobilize
not to mention the fact that if they're hitting your skeletons, your skeletons are hitting them for their entire life bar
Skeletons do only give five gold each. I'm not sure what makes you think right clicking a skeleton confines you to a space for 3 seconds. Is it that you aren't constantly moving around in a lane? Do you just right click things? Killing skeletons doesn't imply shit.
Not to mention the fact that skeletons don't 'hit people for their entire life bar' as you say. They deal their normal damage and then their burn damage. You just kill skeletons as they pop up from kills, it's quick and easy. Or, you deny and last hit things so that she gets no skeletons.
It's not difficult, unless the notion of having more than 80 apm or a cs hero with half a brain is too difficult a concept for you to grasp.
Raichu's like, the worst pokemon ever, man.. it's all about the Electabuzz.
In terms of team practicality? Yeah, Electivire is definetly a heavier hitting hero. Raichu can only get away with maybe a nasty plot build. However, the Raichu in question is part of a word joke, and he's more of an icon than Electabuzz. Or what was the point of this tangent, anyway?
Hm.
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skeletons only give five gold each, and if they're standing around killing skeletons you can hit them with your immobilize
not to mention the fact that if they're hitting your skeletons, your skeletons are hitting them for their entire life bar
Skeletons do only give five gold each. I'm not sure what makes you think right clicking a skeleton confines you to a space for 3 seconds. Is it that you aren't constantly moving around in a lane? Do you just right click things? Killing skeletons doesn't imply shit.
Not to mention the fact that skeletons don't 'hit people for their entire life bar' as you say. They deal their normal damage and then their burn damage. You just kill skeletons as they pop up from kills, it's quick and easy. Or, you deny and last hit things so that she gets no skeletons.
It's not difficult, unless the notion of having more than 80 apm or a cs hero with half a brain is too difficult a concept for you to grasp.
Forsaken Archer - crap, crap, mega crap.
1. you can't kill skeletons in one hit, so you'll certainly be confined to a relatively small area trying to kill them
2. archer is harassing you from afar while the other skeletons hit you, all while you try to kill just one skeleton
3. their normal damage plus their burn damage is a shit ton, especially when you have six at once hitting you
4. since you can't kill skeletons in one hit, you can't just kill them as they pop up. and if all you do is focus on killing them, you'll miss last hits and get harassed out of lane
maybe the notion of not being a big homosexual is too difficult for you to grasp
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Yes, you told me to not let the enemy push towers, easier said than done in a 1v3. It was a stupid "protip" because I can't be at 3 towers at once. I said I "let them have my first 2 rows of towers on purpose" (but denying 3 of my 6 towers I let them have) because soon as it became 1v3, I thought to myself, it would be easier to defend my base towers and have a "1v3 pool fight" than to do 1v3 at a tower half way into the map, where I could find myself in a bad situation. AT the same time I've played so many games that I know if I have 3 lanes all pushed to my base, I know that with MageBane I can bounce between 3 lanes to get CK faster than if all 3 lanes aren't pushed.
Anyways, I know that if I have all my teammates in a 3v3 or 5v5, defending towers is important. You just came off as a dick for trying to give some "protip" that was completely retarded for the game I had just played. Someone comes on here and says their happy to win a 1v3 and you got to walk all over their parade. GJ
I added you to my friends list, so we can get down on a game. :P
on a pub team, there will be one guy who is good.
one carry (probably stealth) who will KS and get some ganks then complain about how horrible the rest of his team is.
2 people playing carries who feed.
and me, who got to be pretty good at the laning phase but is horribly susceptible to ganks.
it got to be no fun to play to be honest. though, i realized i wasn't hardcore enough for this, and went to LoL where i can succeed.
maybe i should give this game another shot some time with the new heroes and all.
Anyone want to beta read a paranormal mystery novella? Here's your chance.
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i should get on and play though, which hunter looks very interesting.
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Nevermind, signed up for the holiday thing.
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hero picks are more varied in: dota
dota has: more high level replays
admittedly it has more heroes as well, but fuck that (and you)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL3pTXQ8N80
how about that Forsaken Archer eh? I think she could be the new valk. shes astonishingly useful. I don't really love the skeletons, but the crippling volley is great, split shot is ridiculous with orbs and her ult is great in teamfights. Maybe not as good as valk but I think shes really deadly.
does a melee hero want to pick a fight? WOOPS skeletons deal a million damage and they die
or any hero for that matter because they run at the speed of infinity squared
mana burn
or shieldbreaker?
She's picked in every pub game, though. And she's always awful. They always get ghost marchers and thunderclaw.
It's fun to beat them down, though. They're almost as bad as pubs that go vanguard arachna or vanguard engineer or carry Jereziah or runed axe swiftblade ... the list goes on.
What do you want me to say? She has a terrible disable that won't hit anybody with half a brain, an ult that you can just cancel (and she isn't going to build a bkb because then she won't have any damage output and a tablet stops bkb ults, anyway) her split shot is pointless until about 35 minutes in and skeletons feed gold to anybody with semi-decent damage in a lane. The only thing she's any good at is ninja pushing against baddies because they won't go defend their towers. She can't chase, she can't gank and her attack animation is decent so while she makes for an alright lane hero there's little for her to do with her farm.
She's awful. It is what it is. Any bad hero can be played by a decent player and have that hero elevated above how it is expected to perform but a forsaken archer or warbeast who clinches a game doesn't prove that the hero is useful, it proves that if you let the wrong person farm too much and don't end the game early you'll be paying for it down the road.
Yeah, man ... I should get in those em games and just push the lanes in and then hunt people down with my bad disable and thunderclaw them all to death and they can't get away because I have ghost marchers!
ROCK OOOUT
Yeah! 20% x 4 = 80%! That's an extra 120 damage every attack! To 3 units! And you're already hitting four things ... so ... that's an extra 480 damage! Every shot! For 3000 gold. And you shoot like 6 times a second because you have ghost marchers. It is the best.
EDIT: I'm not a mathematician, but I think the final damage increase by thunderclaw alone is 750,000%.
Which is a fairly decent deal.
EDIT: And Archer is an amazing hero I rape people in 1500-1600 APEM 3v3 Games all of the time.
I hope this is trolling.
woooooooooooshhhh :P
and I disagree heartily ronaldo:
crippling volley is no worse than any other aoe stun/disable with a delay on it (lina's lightstrike, kunkkas torrent, deadwoods root).
splitshot is up there with medusa's 5.84c split shot b/c of the way orbs stack
her ult is massive aoe damage. sure its cancelable but so are a LOT of other ults.
the only meh skill is the skeletons, which as you said are only ok for ninja pushing.
I'm glad that you disagree, but it doesn't matter. I can tell people not to play this hero but they will, regardless. And I will keep destroying them endlessly. Also, Kunkka's torrent IS Deadwood's root. Lightstrike is a lot better than either of those spells, and her ult is not "massive" and the "aoe" is a line. And what other ults require full channeling? Black hole? Death ward? Hm.
Face Smash and Succubus Hold, yeah.
Her stun: if you can't land it, don't play FA. She is useless without it. Unfortunately, most people don't seem to understand this.
My general strategy if I'm laning: Autoattack them once or twice when you have skeletons up. They'll back up a little bit. When they start backing up, THEN you launch your arrows. If you stun before they are backing up you're going to miss. Never stun JUST behind the person, always place the stun behind and to the side a little bit, so if they juke to the that side they'll still get hit. Then you can do whatever you want with them.
Split shot: I ignore this. I much prefer getting stats because then I take 2 seconds to kill as opposed to 1. It's nice that orbs apply to split shot and whatnot, but I've never really found it necessary.
Skeletons: They are reincarnations of the flash and are WONDERFUL for harassing and taking out towers. They're also ridiculous early game when no one really has any health. If I'm not last hitting a creep, then I am hitting the enemy hero (regardless of what the creeps are doing to me). Enemy heroes just melt early-mid game under the skeletons, and then they're easy to finish off with a stun.
Ult: Stupid damage output. At level 1, not so much, but once you hit level 2 and 3 it gets unbelievable. The problem is the timing and placement of it. You need the enemy team to be disabled for it to be of any use whatsoever (a couple of well placed stuns, or something like that), and you need to be far enough away when you first cast it that the enemy needs to run towards you in order to nuke you and stop the flurry. Otherwise you don't do any damage, and get absolutely annihilated. I find that at level 2 and above, if you start it immediately after you stun an enemy, you can kill them outright, or at the very least leave them with red hp if they don't have a lot of hp items.
The other problem with FA is that she is made of paper. If you don't have the enemy down to between 10-20% hp with your combo, you're going to die. You also need ridiculous map awareness, because you're gank-food.
But yeah, I find her to be an absolutely solid ganking/laning hero. It's just she takes a fairly high level of skill to play correctly. Mostly because you have to be aggressive as shit in the laning phase, and be able to land her stun more than 50% of the time to be of any use.
If she's played poorly, then she feeds. Lots.
We used her on a Stun team tonight. We would roll AoE stuns on the team while she used her Ult right on top of them, worked like a charm. Pes, Hammer, Pebs, Hell Bringer, FA. Every team fight, so long as we were all there, was just the other team standing still getting pounded on by FA.
It's not that I suck at MOBA/AoS/DotA/LoL type games, it's just that each of them have some specific things that you have to learn by experience. You have to learn items, hero archetypes and roles, damage/defensive/supportive capabilities of each hero and item build, the neutrals and tower targeting and their capabilities, etc... the list goes on.
I tell people that I'm new when I join their (nostats) games. Usually people are cool with it and let me play with them but sometimes these people don't speak english or listen until we're in-game and I do something noobish.
I'M SORRY THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ENGLISH BUT PLEASE REFRAIN FROM TYPING THESE THINGS IN ALLCHAT DURING OUR GAME:
wite noob y he wreck my games?
lol y u not leave yet wite noob
omgf he take my time away so i wish i fuk him mom
i sex ur mom wite u suk at hon die
U SHUD BE BETTER NOOB
Even after multiple explanations that this was a nostats game and that I was new he went on a rant about how I was wrecking his PSR, his games (multiple?), how I should know what to buy and what not to buy, and that I should help him in teamfights (I thought I was... but okay). I guess christmas eve is a good time to rage at people for wrecking your stats in a nostats game.
Also, this guy was "scout" and picked him as soon as the game went up. Is this normal scout behavior?
TLDR; this game brings out nerdrage and incites nerdfights so hard.
RUMAD RUMAD RUMAD RUMAD?
Other than that, I'd say don't bother with pubs. You're not going to learn anything by yourself, you need at least one other person who has a clue that can visually walk you through things for pubs to be of any use. So find someone and get them to show you some shit or it's going to be a long haul.
For just learning the heroes and items you should play a single player game and fuck around some. I'm sure S2 is planning a tutorial or AI map with the full release, but it should really be a bigger priority; AI maps help ease you in from nothing a lot better than just jumping into pubs and getting raged at.
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It's pretty simple.
Oh no, you do what every Forsaken Archer does. You fire the stun slightly behind a person. What do you do if your opponent isn't a person with cerebral palsy and they walk at you when you try to stun? What if they aren't entirely predictable? What if you stop hitting any of your stuns because you aren't playing people with an IQ of 75?
That's unfortunate. Skeletons feed gold and she doesn't get last hits, anyway. Her ult is crap. She is crap.
Crap, crap, mega crap.
not to mention the fact that if they're hitting your skeletons, your skeletons are hitting them for their entire life bar
Skeletons do only give five gold each. I'm not sure what makes you think right clicking a skeleton confines you to a space for 3 seconds. Is it that you aren't constantly moving around in a lane? Do you just right click things? Killing skeletons doesn't imply shit.
Not to mention the fact that skeletons don't 'hit people for their entire life bar' as you say. They deal their normal damage and then their burn damage. You just kill skeletons as they pop up from kills, it's quick and easy. Or, you deny and last hit things so that she gets no skeletons.
It's not difficult, unless the notion of having more than 80 apm or a cs hero with half a brain is too difficult a concept for you to grasp.
Forsaken Archer - crap, crap, mega crap.
In terms of team practicality? Yeah, Electivire is definetly a heavier hitting hero. Raichu can only get away with maybe a nasty plot build. However, the Raichu in question is part of a word joke, and he's more of an icon than Electabuzz. Or what was the point of this tangent, anyway?
Hm.
1. you can't kill skeletons in one hit, so you'll certainly be confined to a relatively small area trying to kill them
2. archer is harassing you from afar while the other skeletons hit you, all while you try to kill just one skeleton
3. their normal damage plus their burn damage is a shit ton, especially when you have six at once hitting you
4. since you can't kill skeletons in one hit, you can't just kill them as they pop up. and if all you do is focus on killing them, you'll miss last hits and get harassed out of lane
maybe the notion of not being a big homosexual is too difficult for you to grasp