Well, you're going to have to, cause right now you're making my head hurt.
I've laid out my explanation twice now, and each time you respond by quoting it and making some snide remark. Guess what, these:
Seriously?
Seriously, just....just please stop.
are not convincing responses.
That's because your "explanations" are utter trash.
you seem to think this is a qualitatively different reply to what you previously said.
No, not really. His explanations were trash, and still are trash. Nobody thinks "Oh, look at that. What a nice man, respecting the flag and the founding fathers" when they see someone submerging their flag.
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edited September 2009
its a piece of cloth with some color on it
you are talking like a priest speaks about the blood and flesh of christ before he drinks fermented grape juice and breaks some bread
flags aren't important
what they represent is important
otherwise the supreme court of your own country wouldn't have declared doing whatever the hell you want to a flag is protected free speech. whereas you make it out to be a crime.
i see no justification for the rage here that isn't grounded in the near deification of a piece of bloody colored cloth.
that rent claims he would want to inflict violence on someone for doing something purely symbolic to his precious flag is actually pretty chilling.
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Well, you're going to have to, cause right now you're making my head hurt.
I've laid out my explanation twice now, and each time you respond by quoting it and making some snide remark. Guess what, these:
Seriously?
Seriously, just....just please stop.
are not convincing responses.
That's because your "explanations" are utter trash.
you seem to think this is a qualitatively different reply to what you previously said.
No, not really. His explanations were trash, and still are trash. Nobody thinks "Oh, look at that. What a nice man, respecting the flag and the founding fathers" when they see someone submerging their flag.
I dunno, I'd guess that more than a few British flags were desecrated during the revolution, while the founding fathers were all still technically British citizens. Fighting against injustice (however retardedly stupidly perceived it may be in some cases) is kind of one of the tenets of democracy after all.
Well, you're going to have to, cause right now you're making my head hurt.
I've laid out my explanation twice now, and each time you respond by quoting it and making some snide remark. Guess what, these:
Seriously?
Seriously, just....just please stop.
are not convincing responses.
That's because your "explanations" are utter trash.
you seem to think this is a qualitatively different reply to what you previously said.
No, not really. His explanations were trash, and still are trash. Nobody thinks "Oh, look at that. What a nice man, respecting the flag and the founding fathers" when they see someone submerging their flag.
No, captain strawman, their brain goes "American Flag + Tea = Boston Tea Party (YAY 'MURRICA)", compared to "American Flag + On Fire = Bad America".
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you are talking like a priest speaks about the blood and flesh of christ before he drinks fermented grape juice and breaks some bread
flags aren't important
what they represent is important
Yeah
That's my point
At the end of the day, someone pouring tea on a flag doesn't really matter
But they're doing something they know is offensive and will piss off a lot of people because a lot of people (rightfully so) view the flag as more than a piece of cloth so that they can...piss a lot of people off and get attention, 99 times out of 100
Well, you're going to have to, cause right now you're making my head hurt.
I've laid out my explanation twice now, and each time you respond by quoting it and making some snide remark. Guess what, these:
Seriously?
Seriously, just....just please stop.
are not convincing responses.
That's because your "explanations" are utter trash.
you seem to think this is a qualitatively different reply to what you previously said.
No, not really. His explanations were trash, and still are trash. Nobody thinks "Oh, look at that. What a nice man, respecting the flag and the founding fathers" when they see someone submerging their flag.
No, captain strawman, their brain goes "American Flag + Tea = Boston Tea Party (YAY 'MURRICA)", compared to "American Flag + On Fire = Bad America".
Dipping a flag in tea has no such connotations. Therefore the average person would regard a tea stained flag as a patriotic image, and a burning one as...whatever the opposite of patriotism is.
Seriously, just....just please stop.
I can't believe I have to explain to an American why a flag dipped in tea is meant as a patriotic act, and a flag set on fire isn't.
There's no fucking difference between the two. People burn flags as a statement of controversy to garner attention to political causes. People deface them with tea stains as a statement meant to invoke controversy and to gain the attention of the public for their own, personal causes.
It doesn't matter why you fucking do it, it's still defacement and disrespectful to the flag, and the country itself. And, speaking personally, if I ever caught someone doing it and trying to justify it with bullshit hypocritical arguements like that, i'd probably knock them right the hell off of their feet.
On a slightly different issue, I haven't seen this much blatant hypocrisy since the radical pro-life abortion clinic bombings, and the attacks on doctors. Several pro-life members of some of those same affiliated groups ended up getting caught getting abortions after they got pregnant, and claimed that it was "ok for them" since they were doing God's work or some-such crap.
Despite not really wanting to believe it, I can't help but think that, more and more, the Republican party has been taken over by the same sort of idiots with a sense of self-entitlement that you'd see on TV every now and then back then.
I mean, jesus, you could at least stick your beliefs when it comes to something you've been espousing for the last eight years.
It's not like the vast majority of your opposition is going to forget that elements of the Republican party were the ones accusing people of "hating this country" when people brought up the negative points on the war in Iraq, or possible corruption within the administration, along with all the other crap that got sent their way.
Hell, these protestors should be thankful that they can even get coverage now. If Obama hadn't repealed Bush's "free speech zones" they'd get shoved off into a corner somewhere where almost no elements of the main-stream media would pay attention to them.
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Well, you're going to have to, cause right now you're making my head hurt.
I've laid out my explanation twice now, and each time you respond by quoting it and making some snide remark. Guess what, these:
Seriously?
Seriously, just....just please stop.
are not convincing responses.
That's because your "explanations" are utter trash.
you seem to think this is a qualitatively different reply to what you previously said.
No, not really. His explanations were trash, and still are trash. Nobody thinks "Oh, look at that. What a nice man, respecting the flag and the founding fathers" when they see someone submerging their flag.
No, captain strawman, their brain goes "American Flag + Tea = Boston Tea Party (YAY 'MURRICA)", compared to "American Flag + On Fire = Bad America".
Yeah you...you really don't know what you're talking about
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you are talking like a priest speaks about the blood and flesh of christ before he drinks fermented grape juice and breaks some bread
flags aren't important
what they represent is important
Yeah
That's my point
At the end of the day, someone pouring tea on a flag doesn't really matter
But they're doing something they know is offensive and will piss off a lot of people because a lot of people (rightfully so) view the flag as more than a piece of cloth so that they can...piss a lot of people off and get attention, 99 times out of 100
Thus the desire to kick the shit out of them
the appropriate response to attention grabbing is violence to put them in their place?
are you aware of how conservative you sound to someone who does not have the extreme emotion (patriotic feelings) underlying his approach to this?
i could judiciously swap your words with a republicans and not know the difference
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edited September 2009
Anyone who looks at my flag cock-eyed is going to get a fist in their liberal, terrorist, fascist faces.
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you are talking like a priest speaks about the blood and flesh of christ before he drinks fermented grape juice and breaks some bread
flags aren't important
what they represent is important
Yeah
That's my point
At the end of the day, someone pouring tea on a flag doesn't really matter
But they're doing something they know is offensive and will piss off a lot of people because a lot of people (rightfully so) view the flag as more than a piece of cloth so that they can...piss a lot of people off and get attention, 99 times out of 100
Thus the desire to kick the shit out of them
the appropriate response to attention grabbing is violence to put them in their place?
are you aware of how conservative you sound to someone who does not have the extreme emotion (patriotic feelings) underlying his approach to this?
i could judiciously swap your words with a republicans and not know the difference
It's not the attention grabbing that makes people want to use violence.
It's the willful ignorance of the facts, and reality, in favor of what's essentially trolling the political arena in an effort to stop all progress and discourse on a national level, due to an election that the Republicans, fairly, lost, that, in my experience, tends to drive people up the walls.
the appropriate response to attention grabbing is violence to put them in their place?
are you aware of how conservative you sound to someone who does not have the extreme emotion (patriotic feelings) underlying his approach to this?
i could judiciously swap your words with a republicans and not know the difference
Yeah, except I don't fucking do it
Just because I want to kick the ever loving shit out of someone who defaces the flag doesn't mean I do it, since it's their inalienable right to be a douche
Doesn't mean I have to be all "Yes, this is your right and I support your douchbaginess!"
It's like when someone tries to argue with me that waterboarding isn't torture, or was the right thing to do
Just because I want to beat the shit out of them doesn't mean I actually do it
Initially, my reaction to anyone doing something to the American flag is to leap to intentional defacement. Ed's arguments have swayed me a bit, and I can see how a person might see a US flag stained in tea as a celebration of an American ideal rather than a criticism of the country.
Sewing a picture of the Liberty Bell or representation of the Constitution might also qualify as defacement according to the flag code, but that doesn't mean it's intentional. Motive matters.
I dunno, I'd guess that more than a few British flags were desecrated during the revolution, while the founding fathers were all still technically British citizens. Fighting against injustice (however retardedly stupidly perceived it may be in some cases) is kind of one of the tenets of democracy after all.
Although we weren't thinking, "yay britain" when we desecrated them.
I dunno, I'd guess that more than a few British flags were desecrated during the revolution, while the founding fathers were all still technically British citizens. Fighting against injustice (however retardedly stupidly perceived it may be in some cases) is kind of one of the tenets of democracy after all.
Although we weren't thinking, "yay britain" when we desecrated them.
But desecrating american flag is "yay america".
Actually it's "dammit America what the fuck is wrong with you that we've gotten to this point?"
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i think you are missing my point
if you truly want to inflict violence upon a person for a difference in views i think thats pretty fucking messed up and just wrong on so many levels i dont know how to properly express it
seriously
beating people up for a flag
take away all the frankly ridiculous justifications and convoluted arguments for it, and think about it. beating people up. hitting them with your fists.
because they say shit you dont like
thats fucked up
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Initially, my reaction to anyone doing something to the American flag is to leap to intentional defacement. Ed's arguments have swayed me a bit, and I can see how a person might see a US flag stained in tea as a celebration of an American ideal rather than a criticism of the country.
This is why my first thought was "tacky and ignorant".
Maybe I love america so much I want to paint my flag glow-in-the-dark, so everyone can see how patriotic I am, even at night.
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Initially, my reaction to anyone doing something to the American flag is to leap to intentional defacement. Ed's arguments have swayed me a bit, and I can see how a person might see a US flag stained in tea as a celebration of an American ideal rather than a criticism of the country.
Sewing a picture of the Liberty Bell or representation of the Constitution might also qualify as defacement according to the flag code, but that doesn't mean it's intentional. Motive matters.
Unless they're functionally retarded they know what they're doing is going to be offensive to a lot of people and will still do it anyway
Well, you're going to have to, cause right now you're making my head hurt.
I've laid out my explanation twice now, and each time you respond by quoting it and making some snide remark. Guess what, these:
Seriously?
Seriously, just....just please stop.
are not convincing responses.
That's because your "explanations" are utter trash.
you seem to think this is a qualitatively different reply to what you previously said.
No, not really. His explanations were trash, and still are trash. Nobody thinks "Oh, look at that. What a nice man, respecting the flag and the founding fathers" when they see someone submerging their flag.
No, captain strawman, their brain goes "American Flag + Tea = Boston Tea Party (YAY 'MURRICA)", compared to "American Flag + On Fire = Bad America".
Yeah you...you really don't know what you're talking about
Yeah you...you really need to stop posting infantile one-liners.
Type "American Flag" + "tea-stained/tea" into GIS.
Compare it to "American Flag + Fire/burning".
Curiously, one of these involves rather a lot more "Death to America" than the other! :winky:
There's no fucking difference between the two. People burn flags as a statement of controversy to garner attention to political causes. People deface them with tea stains as a statement meant to invoke controversy and to gain the attention of the public for their own, personal causes.
It doesn't matter why you fucking do it, it's still defacement and disrespectful to the flag, and the country itself. And, speaking personally, if I ever caught someone doing it and trying to justify it with bullshit hypocritical arguements like that, i'd probably knock them right the hell off of their feet.
I'm not clear here, do you have a problem with the argument they use to justify doing something to a flag? Or is just damaging the flag at all unnacceptable?
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the appropriate response to attention grabbing is violence to put them in their place?
are you aware of how conservative you sound to someone who does not have the extreme emotion (patriotic feelings) underlying his approach to this?
i could judiciously swap your words with a republicans and not know the difference
Yeah, except I don't fucking do it
Just because I want to kick the ever loving shit out of someone who defaces the flag doesn't mean I do it, since it's their inalienable right to be a douche
Doesn't mean I have to be all "Yes, this is your right and I support your douchbaginess!"
It's like when someone tries to argue with me that waterboarding isn't torture, or was the right thing to do
Just because I want to beat the shit out of them doesn't mean I actually do it
alright, i can dig your reasons for saying it as just being an expression of anger
theres no functional way for me to tell the difference in your intent without you coming out and saying what you did though, which is why i challenged your statement.
im not a mind reader :P we cool?
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if you truly want to inflict violence upon a person for a difference in views i think thats pretty fucking messed up and just wrong on so many levels i dont know how to properly express it
seriously
beating people up for a flag
take away all the frankly ridiculous justifications and convoluted arguments for it, and think about it. beating people up. hitting them with your fists.
because they say shit you dont like
thats fucked up
Again, it's not what the flag is it's what it represents
Holy shit
What is so hard about this concept that is impossible for you to understand
Initially, my reaction to anyone doing something to the American flag is to leap to intentional defacement. Ed's arguments have swayed me a bit, and I can see how a person might see a US flag stained in tea as a celebration of an American ideal rather than a criticism of the country.
Sewing a picture of the Liberty Bell or representation of the Constitution might also qualify as defacement according to the flag code, but that doesn't mean it's intentional. Motive matters.
Unless they're functionally retarded they know what they're doing is going to be offensive to a lot of people and will still do it anyway
So they're either douches or retards
Which one, GOP. Which one
If people get offended by something you do, that doesn't necessarily mean that you are a douche. Sometimes they get offended because they don't understand your message.
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if you truly want to inflict violence upon a person for a difference in views i think thats pretty fucking messed up and just wrong on so many levels i dont know how to properly express it
seriously
beating people up for a flag
take away all the frankly ridiculous justifications and convoluted arguments for it, and think about it. beating people up. hitting them with your fists.
because they say shit you dont like
thats fucked up
Would I go out and actively pursue an attack against people I disagree with? Hell no. It's their right to believe what they want. Hell, it's one of the founding principles of this country.
That being said, I strongly disagree with many of the beliefs of the opposition to the current administration, given what they're based on. And if someone tried to convince me that defacing a flag, be they Democrat, or Republican, was "patriotic", and then got all smug about it, i'd be hard-pressed not to lose my temper.
It's accepted, traditionally, amongst most that you don't screw with the flag in terms of politics. It's a symbol of our country, and should be treated as such. As such, i'm very much against it being defaced in any way, shape, or form to further someone's political agenda.
In my eyes, you had might as well just smear shit all over it, since you're dragging it through the proverbial mud to garner attention to your beliefs. It's just sleazy and bad politics.
If that makes me wrong in the eyes of others, or make them think that I have issues, then so be it.
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the main thing thats impossible to understand is when the subject goes to
violence
and then i get a bzzt fucked up error
and can't continue
i think we've cleared up its just expressing anger
i mean, to me, i would just say "that makes me feel really angry" less chance of being misconstrued
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Initially, my reaction to anyone doing something to the American flag is to leap to intentional defacement. Ed's arguments have swayed me a bit, and I can see how a person might see a US flag stained in tea as a celebration of an American ideal rather than a criticism of the country.
Sewing a picture of the Liberty Bell or representation of the Constitution might also qualify as defacement according to the flag code, but that doesn't mean it's intentional. Motive matters.
Unless they're functionally retarded they know what they're doing is going to be offensive to a lot of people and will still do it anyway
So they're either douches or retards
Which one, GOP. Which one
If people get offended by something you do, that doesn't necessarily mean that you are a douche. Sometimes they get offended because they don't understand your message.
I think we're talking across each other
If you're planning to do something, something that will obviously piss off a lot of fucking people, and you know it, and you do it anyways, that, pretty much always, makes you a douche
It's like... let's say I was making a statement on book burning, and how wrong it is
if you truly want to inflict violence upon a person for a difference in views i think thats pretty fucking messed up and just wrong on so many levels i dont know how to properly express it
seriously
beating people up for a flag
take away all the frankly ridiculous justifications and convoluted arguments for it, and think about it. beating people up. hitting them with your fists.
because they say shit you dont like
thats fucked up
Again, it's not what the flag is it's what it represents
Holy shit
What is so hard about this concept that is impossible for you to understand
That objects can have symbolic meaning to people
He specifically pointed out the fact that it's the symbolism behind the act that's important several posts back. This is why there's a difference between burning a flag to symbolize the fact you hate america, burning a flag to celebrate free speech in america, burning a flag as part of ceremonially disposing of it, and staining a flag with tea to celebrate the ideals of the boston tea party.
I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would even care what Chuck Norris has to say.
Because famous people are more important than the rest of us. And they obviously know more than people who've spent their entire lives learning about the subject.
Bunch of internet tough guys here. Kick someone's ass for defacing the flag? Go 1st Amendment!
Seriously. The irony is palatable. I love America and therefore have an overwhelming compulsion to beat the shit out of people exercising their constitutional rights. Maybe if I'm feeling frisky I will arrest them without due process and quarter some soldiers in their houses, because that's just how I roll.
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He specifically pointed out the fact that it's the symbolism behind the act that's important several posts back. This is why there's a difference between burning a flag to symbolize the fact you hate america, burning a flag to celebrate free speech in america, burning a flag as part of ceremonially disposing of it, and staining a flag with tea to celebrate the ideals of the boston tea party.
No, except for your third point, every instance of what you just said is disrespectful and a desecration of the flag
Bunch of internet tough guys here. Kick someone's ass for defacing the flag? Go 1st Amendment!
Seriously. The irony is palatable. I love America and therefore have an overwhelming compulsion to beat the shit out of people exercising their constitutional rights. Maybe if I'm feeling frisky I will arrest them without due process and quarter some soldiers in their houses, because that's just how I roll.
Honestly, I expected better out of you man than strawmanning our opinions
So I see a brown stained Flag flying and my brain is supposed to automatically jump to the conclusion that they a: dipped it in tea, and b: did so to pay homage to the Boston tea party as a celebration of America?
Would anyone seeing a brown stained flag actually think that?
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No, not really. His explanations were trash, and still are trash. Nobody thinks "Oh, look at that. What a nice man, respecting the flag and the founding fathers" when they see someone submerging their flag.
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you are talking like a priest speaks about the blood and flesh of christ before he drinks fermented grape juice and breaks some bread
flags aren't important
what they represent is important
otherwise the supreme court of your own country wouldn't have declared doing whatever the hell you want to a flag is protected free speech. whereas you make it out to be a crime.
i see no justification for the rage here that isn't grounded in the near deification of a piece of bloody colored cloth.
that rent claims he would want to inflict violence on someone for doing something purely symbolic to his precious flag is actually pretty chilling.
No, captain strawman, their brain goes "American Flag + Tea = Boston Tea Party (YAY 'MURRICA)", compared to "American Flag + On Fire = Bad America".
Yeah
That's my point
At the end of the day, someone pouring tea on a flag doesn't really matter
But they're doing something they know is offensive and will piss off a lot of people because a lot of people (rightfully so) view the flag as more than a piece of cloth so that they can...piss a lot of people off and get attention, 99 times out of 100
Thus the desire to kick the shit out of them
That's exactly what I just said
And repeating things does not make them true.
edit: Also, what Rent just said
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It doesn't matter why you fucking do it, it's still defacement and disrespectful to the flag, and the country itself. And, speaking personally, if I ever caught someone doing it and trying to justify it with bullshit hypocritical arguements like that, i'd probably knock them right the hell off of their feet.
On a slightly different issue, I haven't seen this much blatant hypocrisy since the radical pro-life abortion clinic bombings, and the attacks on doctors. Several pro-life members of some of those same affiliated groups ended up getting caught getting abortions after they got pregnant, and claimed that it was "ok for them" since they were doing God's work or some-such crap.
Despite not really wanting to believe it, I can't help but think that, more and more, the Republican party has been taken over by the same sort of idiots with a sense of self-entitlement that you'd see on TV every now and then back then.
I mean, jesus, you could at least stick your beliefs when it comes to something you've been espousing for the last eight years.
It's not like the vast majority of your opposition is going to forget that elements of the Republican party were the ones accusing people of "hating this country" when people brought up the negative points on the war in Iraq, or possible corruption within the administration, along with all the other crap that got sent their way.
Hell, these protestors should be thankful that they can even get coverage now. If Obama hadn't repealed Bush's "free speech zones" they'd get shoved off into a corner somewhere where almost no elements of the main-stream media would pay attention to them.
Yeah you...you really don't know what you're talking about
I'm not Rust
Godammit!
You are now.
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i'm smouldering with generic rage
the appropriate response to attention grabbing is violence to put them in their place?
are you aware of how conservative you sound to someone who does not have the extreme emotion (patriotic feelings) underlying his approach to this?
i could judiciously swap your words with a republicans and not know the difference
It's not the attention grabbing that makes people want to use violence.
It's the willful ignorance of the facts, and reality, in favor of what's essentially trolling the political arena in an effort to stop all progress and discourse on a national level, due to an election that the Republicans, fairly, lost, that, in my experience, tends to drive people up the walls.
The 1st amendment also gives the right to be angry over someone defacing a flag.
Not necessarily harm them physically, but atleast a few good insults and curse words.
Yeah, except I don't fucking do it
Just because I want to kick the ever loving shit out of someone who defaces the flag doesn't mean I do it, since it's their inalienable right to be a douche
Doesn't mean I have to be all "Yes, this is your right and I support your douchbaginess!"
It's like when someone tries to argue with me that waterboarding isn't torture, or was the right thing to do
Just because I want to beat the shit out of them doesn't mean I actually do it
Sewing a picture of the Liberty Bell or representation of the Constitution might also qualify as defacement according to the flag code, but that doesn't mean it's intentional. Motive matters.
Although we weren't thinking, "yay britain" when we desecrated them.
But desecrating american flag is "yay america".
if you truly want to inflict violence upon a person for a difference in views i think thats pretty fucking messed up and just wrong on so many levels i dont know how to properly express it
seriously
beating people up for a flag
take away all the frankly ridiculous justifications and convoluted arguments for it, and think about it. beating people up. hitting them with your fists.
because they say shit you dont like
thats fucked up
This is why my first thought was "tacky and ignorant".
Maybe I love america so much I want to paint my flag glow-in-the-dark, so everyone can see how patriotic I am, even at night.
Unless they're functionally retarded they know what they're doing is going to be offensive to a lot of people and will still do it anyway
So they're either douches or retards
Which one, GOP. Which one
Yeah you...you really need to stop posting infantile one-liners.
Type "American Flag" + "tea-stained/tea" into GIS.
Compare it to "American Flag + Fire/burning".
Curiously, one of these involves rather a lot more "Death to America" than the other! :winky:
I'm not clear here, do you have a problem with the argument they use to justify doing something to a flag? Or is just damaging the flag at all unnacceptable?
alright, i can dig your reasons for saying it as just being an expression of anger
theres no functional way for me to tell the difference in your intent without you coming out and saying what you did though, which is why i challenged your statement.
im not a mind reader :P we cool?
Again, it's not what the flag is it's what it represents
Holy shit
What is so hard about this concept that is impossible for you to understand
That objects can have symbolic meaning to people
If people get offended by something you do, that doesn't necessarily mean that you are a douche. Sometimes they get offended because they don't understand your message.
Would I go out and actively pursue an attack against people I disagree with? Hell no. It's their right to believe what they want. Hell, it's one of the founding principles of this country.
That being said, I strongly disagree with many of the beliefs of the opposition to the current administration, given what they're based on. And if someone tried to convince me that defacing a flag, be they Democrat, or Republican, was "patriotic", and then got all smug about it, i'd be hard-pressed not to lose my temper.
It's accepted, traditionally, amongst most that you don't screw with the flag in terms of politics. It's a symbol of our country, and should be treated as such. As such, i'm very much against it being defaced in any way, shape, or form to further someone's political agenda.
In my eyes, you had might as well just smear shit all over it, since you're dragging it through the proverbial mud to garner attention to your beliefs. It's just sleazy and bad politics.
If that makes me wrong in the eyes of others, or make them think that I have issues, then so be it.
violence
and then i get a bzzt fucked up error
and can't continue
i think we've cleared up its just expressing anger
i mean, to me, i would just say "that makes me feel really angry" less chance of being misconstrued
I think we're talking across each other
If you're planning to do something, something that will obviously piss off a lot of fucking people, and you know it, and you do it anyways, that, pretty much always, makes you a douche
It's like... let's say I was making a statement on book burning, and how wrong it is
So to illustrate the point I burn the bible
I mean, seriously
He specifically pointed out the fact that it's the symbolism behind the act that's important several posts back. This is why there's a difference between burning a flag to symbolize the fact you hate america, burning a flag to celebrate free speech in america, burning a flag as part of ceremonially disposing of it, and staining a flag with tea to celebrate the ideals of the boston tea party.
I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would even care what Chuck Norris has to say.
Yeah, we cool
Because he's a racist.
Vote or die!
Seriously. The irony is palatable. I love America and therefore have an overwhelming compulsion to beat the shit out of people exercising their constitutional rights. Maybe if I'm feeling frisky I will arrest them without due process and quarter some soldiers in their houses, because that's just how I roll.
No, except for your third point, every instance of what you just said is disrespectful and a desecration of the flag
Honestly, I expected better out of you man than strawmanning our opinions
im just a cautious person who makes a clear distinction between "anger" and "violence"
Would anyone seeing a brown stained flag actually think that?