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  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited September 2009
    So I'm running the Rogue part of a three-man group, and I've decided to reroll. What I'm attempting to accomplish is a dual wielding kukri knife fighter who'll pop the traps and locks for the group, and provide backup damage for the dwarf and his fuck-off axe. This is what I've come up with (it doesn't take into account future drops):

    Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
    (8 Fighter\12 Rogue)
    Hit Points: 152
    Spell Points: 0
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 14
    Reflex: 19
    Will: 14

    Strength - 12(15)
    Dexterity - 16(22)
    Constitution - 8(8)
    Intelligence - 15(21)
    Wisdom - 15(16)
    Charisma - 8(8)

    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3

    Skills
    Balance - 29
    Diplomacy - 22
    Disable Device - 35
    Hide - 8
    Jump - 27
    Listen - 14
    Move Silently - 8
    Open Lock - 36
    Search - 34
    Spot - 32
    Swim - 2
    Tumble - 10
    Use Magic Device - 22

    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
    Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) I
    Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Reflex) I
    Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Will) I

    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
    Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I

    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II

    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
    Enhancement: Rogue Search I
    Enhancement: Rogue Spot I

    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Kensei Kukri Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II

    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II

    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
    Enhancement: Fighter Kukri Specialization I

    Level 10 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I

    Level 11 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense

    Level 12 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
    Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock II
    Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II

    Level 13 (Rogue)

    Level 14 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic I
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Fortitude
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III

    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device III
    Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock III

    Level 17 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Search II
    Enhancement: Rogue Spot II

    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
    Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes

    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic II

    It should do OK at the backup fighter, and I hope gear will ensure success for lockpicking and trap killing.

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  • dasnoobdasnoob ArkansasRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    After seeing that I've decided I think I need to use the character planner.

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  • ReitenReiten Registered User
    edited September 2009
    Muckbane is ok but Muckdoom is better.

    Unfortunately, Muckdoom is a major pain in the butt to get, especially since most people hate running the Pit other than once for xp and favor.

    Muckbane is simple to get and since oozes are easy to hit, even carry two of them (they're a ooze bane weapon that is glass, so they won't take damage from the oozes like your other weapons).

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Sorry i've been gone the past couple days, my friends dad passed away and im still recovering from my illness i just had stuff ta do.

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  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    oh i thought glass was a bad thing. neat.

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I've just been punching oozes in the face with by fist. Seems to work well enough for now.

    Only level 3 (almost 4 though) but just buffing up and hitting things seems to work well for my Cleric. I have Shield of Faith, Bull's Str, and Aid up all the time and can throw in Divine Favor and summon a doggie if it's a big fight. Human Versatility for +2 attack or +2 AC gives me an edge in those really tough fights.

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  • HenroidHenroid Wear your damn plague masks! Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'm pretty sure Muckbane is behind a locked door in that quest so you're gonna need someone to unlock it. :?

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  • BloodshedBloodshed I smoke my friends Down to the FilterRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Doronron wrote: »
    So I'm running the Rogue part of a three-man group, and I've decided to reroll. What I'm attempting to accomplish is a dual wielding kukri knife fighter who'll pop the traps and locks for the group, and provide backup damage for the dwarf and his fuck-off axe. This is what I've come up with (it doesn't take into account future drops):
    Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
    (8 Fighter\12 Rogue)
    Hit Points: 152
    Spell Points: 0
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 14
    Reflex: 19
    Will: 14

    Strength - 12(15)
    Dexterity - 16(22)
    Constitution - 8(8)
    Intelligence - 15(21)
    Wisdom - 15(16)
    Charisma - 8(8)

    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3

    Skills
    Balance - 29
    Diplomacy - 22
    Disable Device - 35
    Hide - 8
    Jump - 27
    Listen - 14
    Move Silently - 8
    Open Lock - 36
    Search - 34
    Spot - 32
    Swim - 2
    Tumble - 10
    Use Magic Device - 22

    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
    Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) I
    Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Reflex) I
    Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Will) I

    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
    Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I

    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II

    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
    Enhancement: Rogue Search I
    Enhancement: Rogue Spot I

    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Kensei Kukri Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II

    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II

    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
    Enhancement: Fighter Kukri Specialization I

    Level 10 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I

    Level 11 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense

    Level 12 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
    Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock II
    Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II

    Level 13 (Rogue)

    Level 14 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic I
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Fortitude
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III

    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device III
    Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock III

    Level 17 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Search II
    Enhancement: Rogue Spot II

    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
    Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes

    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV
    Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic II

    It should do OK at the backup fighter, and I hope gear will ensure success for lockpicking and trap killing.



    I would greatly consider taking Toughness a few times, maybe to replace Luck of Heroes, Great Fortitude and/or Iron Will.
    Having 152 base hp's at level 20 is very, very low, and you run the risk of dying a lot. You can beef that up a little with items, but its still going to be low, especially for a melee fighter.

    Just some food for thought.

    Also, why Kukri? You really wanted to Finesse a slash weapon? Consider Rapiers, the damage is better, same crit threat and you can run with Wounding/Puncturing. Vorpal is nice but W/P is more reliable, and either way you're using other effects for boss-types/death immunes.

    If its an RP thing, well....ignore me I guess.

    Lastly, consider Ranger > Fighter.
    Less feats over all, perhaps, but much of what you need is Free, a few nice feats as extras, more skill points, and with your high wisdom you have a few spells to look forward to, and wand usability. Also, Tempest Enhancement(s).

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  • ReitenReiten Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure Muckbane is behind a locked door in that quest so you're gonna need someone to unlock it. :?

    No, the guide posted is precisely correct. At the big T intersection, go to the left hand side and kill that brother (2nd brother on quest objectives, IIRC) and turn the valve in there. This opens a door on the other side and can trigger Muck to spawn.

    To back to the T intersection. Continue straight and kill the mobs. You'll have to turn left. After the hallway turns left, you'll see two pillars and a hallway on your right--that leads to the first brother through some fire traps and if you want to finish the quest, you have to kill him as well. If you're only looking for Muck, you do not have to complete that part of the quest.

    After the hallways turns left, straight ahead (i.e., if you don't go down the hallways on your right) is an open door. When you approach it, if you get an optional on your quest objectives to kill Muck, then he's spawned and is right beyond the door. Kill him and loot his chest for a chance at Muckbane. If you don't get that message, he hasn't spawned. In either case, at that point, either go back to the pillars and kill the first brother, which completes the quest (there is a rest shrine in there as well), or just recall and reform to reset the quest and go back in.

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  • MordrackMordrack Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Here's some screens from our first foray into Gianthold.
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  • HenroidHenroid Wear your damn plague masks! Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Mordrack wrote: »
    Here's some screens from our first foray into Gianthold.
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    That screen right there is my favorite. :^:

    Also, the cleric class is freaking amazing. Commanding bitches to sit their ass down and smacking away on them with a mace is great.

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  • ReitenReiten Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Bloodshed wrote: »
    I would greatly consider taking Toughness a few times, maybe to replace Luck of Heroes, Great Fortitude and/or Iron Will.
    Having 152 base hp's at level 20 is very, very low, and you run the risk of dying a lot. You can beef that up a little with items, but its still going to be low, especially for a melee fighter.

    Just some food for thought.

    You're understating and trying to be polite. 152hp at L20 is EXTREMELY low and you will spend a lot of time dead if you're going melee just from one shot deaths from mob AOE spells/attacks. Your evasion will help, but you'll still die a lot, especially in raids. Drop the WIS and raise the CON.

    I think there are a couple really solid Fighter/Rogue builds on the forums. A friend runs a dwarf one that is a very solid build and I'm sure he got it from the main DDO forums.

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  • HenroidHenroid Wear your damn plague masks! Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    What is an acceptable HP count for melee characters at 20? And what about ranged / casters?

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    Mordrack wrote: »
    Here's some screens from our first foray into Gianthold.
    screenshot00010c.th.jpg

    That screen right there is my favorite. :^:

    Also, the cleric class is freaking amazing. Commanding bitches to sit their ass down and smacking away on them with a mace is great.

    hurg I need to hit 10 already...

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  • ReitenReiten Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Henroid wrote: »
    What is an acceptable HP count for melee characters at 20? And what about ranged / casters?

    With a few exceptions, more HP is always better. Unless you can achieve high AC (say 60 or higher unbuffed), it just doesn't make that much difference at end game. Mid 50s will help around L14-16, but usually it's better to have more HP unless you're a specialized AC build. In most cases, building high AC takes time and effort. You'll have to grind out a lot of specialized gear.

    Opinions will vary on exact HP totals to shoot for, but I think the vast majority will agree that more is always better. In most cases, melee should be over 400hp once you count everything. Pure rogues will obviously have less, but they'll want over 300hp. A very high AC character can get away with less, but in general, the higher the better. For casters, raiding guilds usually want at least 250hp once you count everything, and prefer over 300hp.

    Not many people run around with purely ranged characters at end game because the DPS loss is pretty high. I don't think I've seen a mostly ranged character in the better raiding guilds. In fact, I almost never see primarily ranged based characters. The few I have do it for flavor since the DPS loss is well known.

    High end content, including raids, is more about HP than AC (unless you really focus on AC). Low hp means the healers have to spam healing faster and you're in much greater risk of getting one shot. Granted, this gets easier with 32 pt builds, but my original 28 pt pure pally, that I would design differently today with more CON, is still over 400hp at L17 and that's without a Shroud crafted HP item (see list below).

    Besides just base CON, here are some other sources of HP (some require grinding for crafting, something most F2P won't be ready to do for a while). Taken from a guildie post on getting more HP for squishy characters (I added info in parentheses since some F2P might not recognize the stuff listed):

    "*shroud crafted item 45 (hardest to get due to time commitment getting ingredients)
    *greater false life item 30 (easy to get)
    *Minos helm 20 (easy to get--you can equip at L11, trade 20 tapestries found in the Orchard of the Macabre wilderness area for it--it also gives Heavy Fortification)
    *con 6 item (at level 20) 60 (easy to get)
    *2nd tier gianthold favor 10 (150 House A favor, gotten from Gianthold, takes a little grinding to get elite on many quests out there--but that's also good XP and pretty well designed content)

    = 165 hp without toughness feat or enhancement"

    I hope that helps.

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I've often considered grabbing two levels of fighter for some extra hp and two free feats. Only downside to that would be less level 9 spells and not grabbing the 10/dr at the end of the line for Favored Soul.

    Is the 20hp+2 feats+heavy armor prof worth it to lose the Favored Soul Capstone? (I'm not too worried about the loss of the free command undead spell, just the DR and +2 to stats)

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Entaru wrote: »
    I've often considered grabbing two levels of fighter for some extra hp and two free feats. Only downside to that would be less level 9 spells and not grabbing the 10/dr at the end of the line for Favored Soul.

    Is the 20hp+2 feats+heavy armor prof worth it to lose the Favored Soul Capstone? (I'm not too worried about the loss of the free command undead spell, just the DR and +2 to stats)

    It seems to me that 10/ DR is far more important... if you gain 20hp by being a fighter, two hits from a mob will likely take away that 20hp you gained, but the 10/ DR is there for every hit. If I understand it right, XX/ is protection from just about everything. This seems too powerful to pass up.

    In fact, as a Paladin, I would murder a baby to get 10/ DR as an enhancement. I'd probably be willing to give up heavy armor, even. 10/ DR is just incredible.

    Edit: This is from someone who plays P&P a lot, but is only level 6 in DDO... I'm simply basing my comments on what Reiten said and what I know already.

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  • ReitenReiten Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Entaru wrote: »
    I've often considered grabbing two levels of fighter for some extra hp and two free feats. Only downside to that would be less level 9 spells and not grabbing the 10/dr at the end of the line for Favored Soul.

    Is the 20hp+2 feats+heavy armor prof worth it to lose the Favored Soul Capstone? (I'm not too worried about the loss of the free command undead spell, just the DR and +2 to stats)

    Is there any reason you want to wear heavy armor? Since AC only really matters if you can get it pretty high, what type of armor that you wear isn't that important. Also, top AC armor tends to be Mithril, which makes even full plate medium armor. So I don't think it is worth it for that.

    I forget, what kind of DR is it? Is it DR/-, DR/Epic or something else? DR is always nice, particularly if it is DR/-. You need Toughness anyway, so make sure to get that.

    I usually prefer to stay pure unless there is something specific you want from the multiclass. Are there two feats you really want that will really help your buld? What will you lose for spells? For example, will the BAB change? Think about how you want to play the character and that should help you decide. In other words, if you're melee with casting, then fighter (or pally?) might make sense. If you're offensive casting with some melee, then staying pure probably makes sense.

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Reiten wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I've often considered grabbing two levels of fighter for some extra hp and two free feats. Only downside to that would be less level 9 spells and not grabbing the 10/dr at the end of the line for Favored Soul.

    Is the 20hp+2 feats+heavy armor prof worth it to lose the Favored Soul Capstone? (I'm not too worried about the loss of the free command undead spell, just the DR and +2 to stats)

    Is there any reason you want to wear heavy armor? Since AC only really matters if you can get it pretty high, what type of armor that you wear isn't that important. Also, top AC armor tends to be Mithril, which makes even full plate medium armor. So I don't think it is worth it for that.

    I forget, what kind of DR is it? Is it DR/-, DR/Epic or something else? DR is always nice, particularly if it is DR/-. You need Toughness anyway, so make sure to get that.

    I usually prefer to stay pure unless there is something specific you want from the multiclass. Are there two feats you really want that will really help your buld? What will you lose for spells? For example, will the BAB change? Think about how you want to play the character and that should help you decide. In other words, if you're melee with casting, then fighter (or pally?) might make sense. If you're offensive casting with some melee, then staying pure probably makes sense.

    DR/Cold Iron.

    Heavy armor is not a major consideration. What is important the two feats and the HP Boost.

    The guy is not an offensive caster ( I put none in Willpower). I Stick to buffs and heals with my spells and roll with TWF Melee.

    The two feats would give me room to grab empower healing and extend without giving up anything. TWF requires at least 4 feat slots and 6 if you grab the two defensive ones as well.

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  • JJJJ DailyStormer Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    What are the size of raids in game? 12 people?

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  • JeixJeix Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    The only one I have done, and the only F2P one I think, was 12.

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  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited October 2009
    I've already done some digging on the DDO forums. The basic builds there either assume 32pt starting stats, access to +2 tomes and gear that would be considered significant to a starting character, or both. 400 HP might be the ideal in character design, but from a practical standpoint, you've got to get that gear first.

    Reitan: The build I posted didn't take into account _any_ extra gear aside from some tomes once arriving in Stormreach. The character might very well end up with HP in the 300 or so by the time it gets to level 20. I don't know. Sneering at it just makes you look like an ass.

    Bloodshed: I chose Kukri as a favored weapon partly because I liked the idea of a knife fighter, and partly because they're light weapons. Rapiers aren't as far as I can tell.

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  • BloodshedBloodshed I smoke my friends Down to the FilterRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Doronron wrote: »
    I've already done some digging on the DDO forums. The basic builds there either assume 32pt starting stats, access to +2 tomes and gear that would be considered significant to a starting character, or both. 400 HP might be the ideal in character design, but from a practical standpoint, you've got to get that gear first.

    Reitan: The build I posted didn't take into account _any_ extra gear aside from some tomes once arriving in Stormreach. The character might very well end up with HP in the 300 or so by the time it gets to level 20. I don't know. Sneering at it just makes you look like an ass.

    Bloodshed: I chose Kukri as a favored weapon partly because I liked the idea of a knife fighter, and partly because they're light weapons. Rapiers aren't as far as I can tell.


    Rapiers are considered a 1-Handed weapon, not a Light weapon, you are correct.
    I was actually thinking Oversized Two Weapon Fighting for your build.
    You've chosen several feats that add to your Saving Throws, which, while that isn't a bad thing, I think you can get more bang for you buck if you work on a little extra HP and a little extra damage.

    Disclaimer: The most important thing here is that you enjoy the character you're playing. I originally ran with dual daggers on my Rogue because I thought it was very "Assaassin-ish" and I was always finding amazing daggers because everyone was looking for Rapiers and Short Swords. At level cap 12 I was running around with two +4 Holy Dagger of Pure Good and tearing shit up :mrgreen:

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  • DoronronDoronron Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Bloodshed wrote: »
    Rapiers are considered a 1-Handed weapon, not a Light weapon, you are correct.
    I was actually thinking Oversized Two Weapon Fighting for your build.
    You've chosen several feats that add to your Saving Throws, which, while that isn't a bad thing, I think you can get more bang for you buck if you work on a little extra HP and a little extra damage.

    Disclaimer: The most important thing here is that you enjoy the character you're playing. I originally ran with dual daggers on my Rogue because I thought it was very "Assaassin-ish" and I was always finding amazing daggers because everyone was looking for Rapiers and Short Swords. At level cap 12 I was running around with two +4 Holy Dagger of Pure Good and tearing shit up :mrgreen:

    The only way I was able to sit down and complete NWN and NWN2 was making some very fun knife fighters. This guy is partly driven by that. I've also learned that hitting hard doesn't mean much if you can't hit to begin with, so to-hit's a priority for me.

    I am thinking strongly about replacing the saves feats with Toughness (I thought there was only one, DDO changed that?). They're in spots in my build order where there wasn't a better choice from my feat list available. I just didn't like having saves so low. Watching a friend's fighter constantly disabled through fear made me think pretty hard about that.

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  • Stryker43Stryker43 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Knowledgeable cleric folks, please lend me your ears! I've been messing around in the character planner, and I've got what I think will be a decent pure build. Any advice is appreciated!
    [u][b]Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.10[/b][/u]
    [url=http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO]DDO Character Planner Home Page[/url]
    
    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (20 Cleric) 
    Hit Points: 332
    Spell Points: 1670 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 17
    Reflex: 9
    Will: 17
    
    [B]                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Stats          Modified Stats
    [U]Abilities[/U]        [U](Level 1)[/U]             [U](Level 20)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=silver]Strength             14                    14
    Dexterity            12                    12
    Constitution         14                    20
    Intelligence         10                    10
    Wisdom               16                    20
    Charisma              8                     8[/COLOR]
    
    [B]                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    [U]Skills[/U]           [U](Level 1)[/U]            [U](Level 20)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=silver]Balance               1                     1
    Bluff                -1                    -1
    Concentration         6                    28
    Diplomacy             3                    22
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle               -1                    -1
    Heal                  7                    28
    Hide                  1                     1
    Intimidate           -1                    -1
    Jump                  2                     2
    Listen                3                     5
    Move Silently         1                     1
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform              n/a                   n/a
    Repair                0                     0
    Search                0                     0
    Spot                  3                     5
    Swim                  2                     2
    Tumble                n/a                   n/a
    Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a
    [/COLOR]
    [B][U]Level 1 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lightblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver](Human Bonus) Mental Toughness[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lightblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver](Selected) Shield Mastery[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Follower of the Sovereign Host[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Smiting I[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Life Magic I[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 2 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Energy of the Zealot I[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Wisdom I[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 3 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lightblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver](Selected) Toughness[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Racial Toughness I[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Prayer of Life I[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 4 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=pink]Ability Raise: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]CON[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Smiting II[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Life Magic II[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 5 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Human Adaptability Constitution I[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Energy of the Zealot II[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 6 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lightblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver](Selected) Improved Mental Toughness[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Unyielding Sovereignty[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 7 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Racial Toughness II[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Life Magic III[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 8 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=pink]Ability Raise: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]CON[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Wisdom II[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 9 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lightblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver](Selected) Maximize Spell[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Racial Toughness III[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 10 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Life Magic IV[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 11 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Energy of the Zealot III[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 12 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=pink]Ability Raise: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]CON[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lightblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver](Selected) Improved Shield Mastery[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 13 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 14 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 15 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lightblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver](Selected) Lightning Reflexes[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Smiting III[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Wisdom III[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 16 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=pink]Ability Raise: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]CON[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 17 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 18 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lightblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver](Selected) Extend Spell[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Prayer of Life II[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Prayer of Life III[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 19 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Divine Vitality I[/COLOR]
    
    
    [B][U]Level 20 (Cleric)[/U][/B]
    [COLOR=pink]Ability Raise: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]CON[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Divine Intervention[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=lemonchiffon]Enhancement: [/COLOR][COLOR=silver]Cleric Smiting IV[/COLOR]
    
    
    

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  • ReitenReiten Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Doronron wrote: »
    Reitan: The build I posted didn't take into account _any_ extra gear aside from some tomes once arriving in Stormreach. The character might very well end up with HP in the 300 or so by the time it gets to level 20. I don't know. Sneering at it just makes you look like an ass.

    I'm not sneering at it. I was pointing out that at end game, you'll probably find yourself very short on HP. Lots of people who have played PnP, in particular, have difficulties when building characters originally because of the differences between that and DDO. The biggest issue is too much effort at achieving mediocre AC, too much multiclassing and not enough CON. I was trying to emphasize that 8 CON is simply not enough. In fact, I think you'll find death and dying as you level will also be a problem. You'll have to be very careful about not getting agro with that few hp.

    btw, for fear, get clerics to cast the buff or you can get an item (Reaver Ring? see the static loot list posted a page or two back) that makes you immune to fear. I'd recommend toughness over saves feats (exceptions would be for Insighful Reflexes for a WIZ and a few others like that that swap in your primary stat for another stat for saves).

    Reiten on
  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Looking at the char creator I am better off staying pure for this build. The two combat feats don't help as well as I thought they would.

    Though I might try my idea of a Favored Soul 14/Ranger 6 Arcane Archer.

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Yay level 4! So far, my plan to play the equivalent of a DMM Cleric seems to be working. Especially for soloing. I have Aid, Bull's Strength, Nightshield, and Shield of Faith on at all times. All Extended to 8 minutes at a time, for about 100 sp for the whole thing. With my 300 sps total, that generally means that I can swing two full castings before being in real trouble and that is almost always enough time to get to a shrine if not clear a whole dungeon.

    With all these on, my AC hits 24 and my attacks are +8/1d8+3. Probably better now because I picked up a +2 mithral shield to replace my +1.

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  • BloodshedBloodshed I smoke my friends Down to the FilterRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    All the new "Prestige" enhancements for Rangers and they still can't manage competative DPS using a bow? That's kind of sad. I've been itching to make a bow-heavy Ranger. Tempest Rangers are a dime a dozen, now. Where are all the Deepwood Snipers?

    I'll have to play with the Planner when I get home from work, 3 boring hours to go.

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  • MordrackMordrack Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Bloodshed wrote: »
    they still can't manage competative DPS using a bow?
    Whoever is telling you this is a filthy lying whorebag.

    In unrelated news, this place looks totally safe. Right guys?
    screenshot00015.th.jpg

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  • BloodshedBloodshed I smoke my friends Down to the FilterRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Reiten wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    What is an acceptable HP count for melee characters at 20? And what about ranged / casters?

    Not many people run around with purely ranged characters at end game because the DPS loss is pretty high. I don't think I've seen a mostly ranged character in the better raiding guilds. In fact, I almost never see primarily ranged based characters. The few I have do it for flavor since the DPS loss is well known.

    Are you stating opinion or fact when you refer to the ranged "DPS loss" ?

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  • Foolish ChaosFoolish Chaos Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    So I saw a +1 Vicious Greatsword in the Auction House for 10,000 gold. That seemed like a pretty good deal for my level 5 cleric/fighter.

    Only, I was planning on wearing a set of +2 adamantine chainmail. -3 AC but 2 DR. Seemed like an okay deal.

    But then I realized that DR doesn't protect from Vicious weapons. Disappointing.

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  • JaedlynJaedlyn Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Bloodshed wrote: »
    Reiten wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    What is an acceptable HP count for melee characters at 20? And what about ranged / casters?

    Not many people run around with purely ranged characters at end game because the DPS loss is pretty high. I don't think I've seen a mostly ranged character in the better raiding guilds. In fact, I almost never see primarily ranged based characters. The few I have do it for flavor since the DPS loss is well known.

    Are you stating opinion or fact when you refer to the ranged "DPS loss" ?

    Proven by lots of math, multiple times on the DDO forums, if I wasn't so lazy I would find you one and link you to it. Bow/throwing just doesn't stand up to two-weapon/two-handed fighting damage, the ranger capstone was supposed to equalize it a bit for bows and it helps balance it. The balance being that with a bow your not taking melee damage. Most ranged attackers are rangers though, you get two weapon fighting feats for free as well, don't make the mistake of only using one attack route, if you focus on ranged don't be afraid to pull out the swords, and if your a melee fighter don't be afraid to launch a few arrows.

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  • ReitenReiten Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Bloodshed wrote: »
    Reiten wrote: »
    Not many people run around with purely ranged characters at end game because the DPS loss is pretty high. I don't think I've seen a mostly ranged character in the better raiding guilds. In fact, I almost never see primarily ranged based characters. The few I have do it for flavor since the DPS loss is well known.

    Are you stating opinion or fact when you refer to the ranged "DPS loss" ?

    Fact. The simple difference in the number of attacks/round makes for a big DPS loss. Ranged combat when you have Many Shot activated (especially when combined with Improved Precise Shot) is devastating, but it only lasts a short time and the cooldown timer is quite long. Other than that burst damage, ranged combat simply cannot compete with melee currently.

    They've been trying to fix this for a while and things are better than they used to be (especially with the pure ranger capstone ranged speed boost), but they haven't succeeded yet. There have been a lot of posts on this on the DDO forums, check there if you don't believe me.

    Edit: beat by Jaedlyn

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  • JaedlynJaedlyn Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Don't let that stop you from making a ranged character, I made a ranged halfling thrower on ghallanda just for the fun of it and had a blast. If you plan on raiding with it in pugs be ready to be disappointed though since a good deal of the DDO pug raidleaders tend to go with the min-max or nothing route. With us you really won't have any problems though. Or at least with me.

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Jaedlyn wrote: »
    Don't let that stop you from making a ranged character, I made a ranged halfling thrower on ghallanda just for the fun of it and had a blast. If you plan on raiding with it in pugs be ready to be disappointed though since a good deal of the DDO pug raidleaders tend to go with the min-max or nothing route. With us you really won't have any problems though. Or at least with me.

    My new Halfling "Divine Archer" is a blast to play. He is nowhere near a min/max but that's part of his charm.

    Sometimes it's fun just to make a sort of odd character.

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  • JaedlynJaedlyn Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Just like my next character is going to be an elven spellblade, as soon as I get 32 point builds unlocked.

    http://ddowiki.com/page/Insulated_Armor

    Keystone piece of equipment for my build.

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  • HenroidHenroid Wear your damn plague masks! Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Clerics are the bomb-diggity. A few general buffs here, a Hold Person there... Can't wait to get my cleric on Cannith started.

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  • JaedlynJaedlyn Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    We should totally try to do a bunch of G.I.M.P. characters when we can (Get Into Multiclass Project). You log into your mains then roll the dice to determine which 3 character classes your gimp is going to take, and which race. Then everytime you level you roll a 1d3 to determine which class is going to level up, the results are hilarity, there is nothing quite like a halfling barbarian/wizard/cleric GIMP.

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