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Elki
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The latest episode to air.
DVD episode/extras.
So, I've been caught up on the latest episodes:
Episode 2.
The latest episode to air.
DVD episode/extras.
So, I've been caught up on the latest episodes:
- A better start than S1, but not a great one.
- Eliza Dushku continues to be an unfortunate choice for a lead.
- Topher is much funnier.
Episode 2.
Perhaps triggering lactation was a bridge too far. :^:
Something is obviously up with the senator's wife.
The cheap horror/thriller bit at the end was lame.
Something is obviously up with the senator's wife.
The cheap horror/thriller bit at the end was lame.
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Disappointingly few people read the last thread, and readership declined steadily with every new post.
We're lucky to get a new OP at all, really.
This post has depth to it. Amazing depth and self-awareness.
This.
You have to give the series that.
Not really. And while the bits of development here and there while back in the Dollhouse have been nice, this was a pretty weak standalone episode overall. There's really no need to continue to beat us over the heads with the "Caroline remembers!" theme at this point - we get it. Yeah, Topher realizing that he can create imprints that will lead to actual physical changes is nice, and obviously the kind of thing that leads to the world of Epitaph One, but the revelation would have been just as nice in an episode with a better mission plot (or even no mission at all ffs).
Srsly.
It's as if with the purging of the old thread we are finally allowed to be honest about the series.
Eh, don't mistake me - while I disliked this episode overall, and was somewhat (though less) disappointed with the first episode of this season - I like this show. I like the concept, I like the entire cast aside from Dushku even if I do appreciate her looks, and I like where the show was going at the end of S1, and where it may be going based on Epitaph One. It had some pretty bad hiccups along the way in S1, and I'd say this most recent episode was more similar to those than I would like, but it's still good enough to be one of a very small number of television shows I make an effort to watch. Or watch at all, for that matter.
How so?
Alan Tudyk was good and watchable; he made the series something to be anticipated.
So they don't use him that often.
Cause...shit.
And where was Boyd during the security clusterfucks? Looking for the doctor? Or am I hoping too much that this will make some fucking sense.
Yeah pretty much.
S2-E1 was passable but E2 was just utter crap.
The first half of the first series is dreadful. The second half is quite good, and the secret episode is very good.
So far in series two, the episodes have been quite poor.
Probably, but only just. It has some potential but seems to consistently drop the ball in key places.
Passable? I can't believe the crap they are shoving down our throats after the awesomeness that was epitaph 1.
Really? Because continuing from an episode only hardcore fans will have seen would have been stupid. The whole point was that it provides extra depth outside of the series.
Basically, Whedon isn't doing great work.
You do have a point about the relationships between the characters neglected at the expense of the show's premise, which requires that the central relationship of a given episode be between a doll and whoever her mission's about. This relationship is, of course, cast aside once the episode is done.
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I mean, we are all in agreement that Lost is pretty much the gold standard for network TV serialized shows, right? There was a point at which it evolved beyond Survivor with Monsters and that was what propelled it forward.
Dollhouse needs to make that move NOW in order to survive. Client of the week episodes with incremental story reveals will kill the show faster than pretty much anything else.
Seek help.
No man should ever see his own sex-face.
Lucky.
Nope. Not at all. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're the only person in the world that feels that way.
*whooosh*
Future cast spoilers
:P
I still watch this show, but not till like.. Sat at the earliest. This week I waited till today to watch, which can't be a good sign. Shit, I haven't yet seen a Season 2 episode of Dollhouse on the night it airs. This show needs to shift into higher gear quickly or it's doomed. I can already see it beginning to bleed off the few fans it has.
on ep2: there were interesting ideas here but they took every single one of them in the wrong direction. Echo should have found out she was a doll during an engagement, rather than assuming her husband had an affair. Maybe that realization could trigger a composite event that'd get this show moving. The thriller thing was stupid. The senator subplot seems good, the Mellie/Ballard interaction was good, Topher is funnier now, Adele's new short haircut is cute, but the show just isn't working
I really liked the first episode of this season, because it had an interesting dollhouse story and a good mission for Echo. The Echo story seemed a little rushed, but it was still interesting and played out well. This latest episode the mother engagement didn't seem like a good one to build an episode out of and the dollhouse issues they started are too ambigous right now. I did like the interaction between Ballard and November in the episode and how charged they make it. Ballard does a crap ass job of playing stupid with November, which fits the character and you can see him wanting to tell her about what happened.
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You know, I almost think that releasing Epitaph One at this point was a mistake; it was "here's a version of the show where the concept really works, but that's not what you're going to get". Even if the show moves to this future point, you're left with a fatal flaw: the lead character is an Active. Putting aside complaints about Dushku's acting, even if it had a more versatile actor as a lead (based on both her role in Angel and this show, Amy Acker comes to mind), I don't think the show would have truly worked, because you're still left with an empty vessel in the middle. One of the many things that works in E1 is the fact that it stars a group of "real" people as the main focus. Yeah, we have the "real" Dollhouse employees on the proper show, and plotlines that focus on them work, but it always comes back to Echo in the middle, and that's not enough to hang on to.
There is movement towards making a Echo closer to being "real" with her being able to remember, but we still don't have an actual personality.