Ugh, now to be the buzzkill - but am I the only one who kind of cringed at turning a serial killer into a hero?
Like (as was the case with Dante's Inferno), cant they ever go "Hey - Jack The Ripper was an interesting case. What if he was a hero? Wow! What a starting point!" and then call it "LONDON MURDERS". The plot of a guy saving humanity - but everyone thinking he's murdering hookers, is a very cool plot.
But when I see them taking a real life guy, who killed other real life people (who more than likely have real life descendants), being turned into a hero, it just makes me think it's extremely poor taste. Even so many years later, even if NO ONE cares, I just could never find myself working at a company and being ok with the idea that in my game, we're going to pretend someone's great-great-great-great aunt was really a demon so her brutal muder was alright.
In more poor taste than taking the darkest times in human history (WW2) and turning it into a game?
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Methinks "Oh hey this grisly killer was a cool guy who TRIED TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM DEMONS" has a bit more oomph than "recreate and simulate some of the most pivotal battles of World War II!"
I would love a movie/game with that Hitler premise SO MUCH just for the controversy.
The horrible thing is that now that I've said it, I can't help but think about how it would go down.
WHAT MONSTROSITY HAVE I UNLEASHED UPON THIS WORLD?
I imagine it being a faux-mentary. With "historians" citing various things about Hitler, including "letters" from his Generals, and pages from Hitler's journal describing his feelings about being villainized by the world. :P
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I would love a movie/game with that Hitler premise SO MUCH just for the controversy.
The horrible thing is that now that I've said it, I can't help but think about how it would go down.
WHAT MONSTROSITY HAVE I UNLEASHED UPON THIS WORLD?
I imagine it being a faux-mentary. With "historians" citing various things about Hitler, including "letters" from his Generals, and pages from Hitler's journal describing his feelings about being villainized by the world. :P
So something like World War Z?
"I remember when I saw Hitler show up in his time machine. Now, I didn't think much of him at the time..."
I would love a movie/game with that Hitler premise SO MUCH just for the controversy.
The horrible thing is that now that I've said it, I can't help but think about how it would go down.
WHAT MONSTROSITY HAVE I UNLEASHED UPON THIS WORLD?
I imagine it being a faux-mentary. With "historians" citing various things about Hitler, including "letters" from his Generals, and pages from Hitler's journal describing his feelings about being villainized by the world. :P
So something like World War Z?
"I remember when I saw Hitler show up in his time machine. Now, I didn't think much of him at the time..."
"I could see why some of the boys took him for snobby. He had a quiet way about him, a walk and a talk that just wasn't normal around here. He strolled, like a man in a park without a care or a worry in the world, like he had on an invisible coat that would shield him from this place. Yeah, I think it would be fair to say... I liked Hitler from the start. "
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Anyway, I just don't get this. Is this studio going to turn all manner of fairly innocuous stories and events into demon-killin', magic-havin' action games? This is just...weird.
Anyway, I just don't get this. Is this studio going to turn all manner of fairly innocuous stories and events into demon-killin', magic-havin' action games? This is just...weird.
I think the real objection to this is the actual Jack the Ripper was an utterly depraved killer who horribly mutilated his randomly-chosen victims and put an entire city into a panic. And now he's being turned into a hero.
This would be like re-making Pac-Man with Jeffrey Dahmer.
Oh no, I find the subject matter to be pretty damn objectionable. I just don't see why this studio has apparently decided to add demon's and action to a lot of famous 'things' from the past. It can't be that hard to come up with an idea that essentially palette swaps Dante and Jack the Ripper for something 'original'.
edit - Innocuous was probably the wrong word. I meant that it seems odd that EA or whoever this is, is taking stories/events from the past, that people now look on with literary or historical curiosity (usually), and turning them into demon killing action games. I just don't get it.
Oh no, I find the subject matter to be pretty damn objectionable. I just don't see why this studio has apparently decided to add demon's and action to a lot of famous 'things' from the past. It can't be that hard to come up with an idea that essentially palette swaps Dante and Jack the Ripper for something 'original'.
This is pretty much my position. This whole taking somewhat famous stories/events and then mutilating the story so it fits their game is fast becoming the company's "gimmick".
Hell, a better thing they could do is not have the guy actually be called Jack the Ripper, but instead allude to it (subtlety or not).
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He’s a supernatural slayer protecting people from demons, vampires and other evil monsters. And seeing as how this is Visceral Studios, don’t expect your typical, played-out demons. Instead, imagine a cross between the monsters from Dead Space and Dante’s Inferno. Jack will have an assortment of over-the-top weapons to take on these demons, and we're told gameplay involves a special ability that lets him slow down time, too.
Holy shit
It's like they don't even know what the words "self parody" mean
At this point I can't help but wonder if the devs aren't using these literary and historical bases just so they can roll on by the power of notoriety and shock and such and use it to compensate for uncreative or uninspired or cliched gameplay and design. Nothing I've seen or heard of either this or Dante's Inferno makes me want to give up one red cent, and I've seen Yaoi Hentai that do the Dante's Inferno idea better.
He’s a supernatural slayer protecting people from demons, vampires and other evil monsters. And seeing as how this is Visceral Studios, don’t expect your typical, played-out demons. Instead, imagine a cross between the monsters from Dead Space and Dante’s Inferno. Jack will have an assortment of over-the-top weapons to take on these demons, and we're told gameplay involves a special ability that lets him slow down time, too.
Holy shit
It's like they don't even know what the words "self parody" mean
*blink*
This almost reads like an article from The Onion.
And yeah, Sorenson's probably right. The funny thing is, based on the relative lack of interest in Dante's Inferno, it ain't working.
It's like a 12 year old kid is head of this company and just making them make games he thinks are cool.
Next up: Stonehenge is under siege by cyborg dinosaurs from an alternate dimension.
And only KING ARTHUR and his KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE can stop them!
By using OVER THE TOP combat with CRAZY WEAPONS and SLOWING DOWN TIME!
Coming this summer: KING ARTHUR! (based on a true story)
I actually would love to see this, partially because of all the myths and legends and shit that're out there around Arthur and the Knights everything you've outlined is probably already set in stone and actually works well to the style such a game's shooting for.
(Well, that and that there's not nearly enough love for old-school mythology and legends.)
I would rather see this game fall into the same idea as Dark Corners of the Earth / Condemned.
Where you're sent to investigate brutal murders and you start running into crazy cultists that you gotta take out.
"Jack" being one of them.
The idea of being Jack, who is killing secret demons is a bad idea, and is probably in really poor taste as the women murdered never really did anything wrong, other than try to survive a shitty situation.
Yeah, it just seems like they flip to a random page in a history book and wonder how they can make something grimdark and "badass".
No, no, no. They randomly pick a page from their encyclopedia and turn it into a badass videogame.
At this point, I'm beginning to wonder when all the good grace they got from Dead Space dries up. If it hasn't already. "Dante's Inferno? Okay, it's made by the dudes who made Dead Space." This? Eh, I'll wait to see if DI delivers before decrying One-Trick-Pony or the like.
He’s a supernatural slayer protecting people from demons, vampires and other evil monsters. And seeing as how this is Visceral Studios, don’t expect your typical, played-out demons. Instead, imagine a cross between the monsters from Dead Space and Dante’s Inferno. Jack will have an assortment of over-the-top weapons to take on these demons, and we're told gameplay involves a special ability that lets him slow down time, too.
Holy shit
It's like they don't even know what the words "self parody" mean
*blink*
This almost reads like an article from The Onion.
And yeah, Sorenson's probably right. The funny thing is, based on the relative lack of interest in Dante's Inferno, it ain't working.
It would be funny if in this Jack the Ripper was all about slowing down time and killing demons and stuff but then in his spare time he still murdered people because he was crazy like that. I mean if it was done right it would be fairly interesting kind of like legacy of kain but it wont be so maybe I'll just stop.
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He’s a supernatural slayer protecting people from demons, vampires and other evil monsters. And seeing as how this is Visceral Studios, don’t expect your typical, played-out demons. Instead, imagine a cross between the monsters from Dead Space and Dante’s Inferno. Jack will have an assortment of over-the-top weapons to take on these demons, and we're told gameplay involves a special ability that lets him slow down time, too.
Holy shit
It's like they don't even know what the words "self parody" mean
*blink*
This almost reads like an article from The Onion.
And yeah, Sorenson's probably right. The funny thing is, based on the relative lack of interest in Dante's Inferno, it ain't working.
It would be funny if in this Jack the Ripper was all about slowing down time and killing demons and stuff but then in his spare time he still murdered people because he was crazy like that. I mean if it was done right it would be fairly interesting kind of like legacy of kain but it wont be so maybe I'll just stop.
*End of the game, Jack has just defeated the Super Devil when Jack's love interest, Marry, comes running up*
Marry: "Oh Jack you saved me and all of London!"
Jack: *repeatedly stabs Marry in the face*
*roll credits*
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Imo, bullet time never gets boring. It's like saying that aiming and shooting gets boring - it's entirely based on whether or not what you get to do in the slomo is boring. If nothing else it helps people who have difficulty playing games at full speed by giving them time to aim and think.
I would rather see this game fall into the same idea as Dark Corners of the Earth / Condemned.
Where you're sent to investigate brutal murders and you start running into crazy cultists that you gotta take out.
"Jack" being one of them.
The idea of being Jack, who is killing secret demons is a bad idea, and is probably in really poor taste as the women murdered never really did anything wrong, other than try to survive a shitty situation.
Ulitmately failing I suppose.
See that would have been a cool idea, i also love the condemned games and their signature style (Especially the second one with the alchoholic "shakes" that was a nice touch.). Being a person trying to track him down and ultimately going insane slowly in the process as you discover more crazy stuff would have been a really interesting game. But this bullet time Jack the Ripper killing demons sounds like a shitty gimmick to me. Also it's in very very poor taste, i mean the guy killed prostitutes and removed their reproductive organs, a heart in one case, and a liver in another. He killed only women and at random with no reason that anyone ever discovered.
Imo, bullet time never gets boring. It's like saying that aiming and shooting gets boring - it's entirely based on whether or not what you get to do in the slomo is boring. If nothing else it helps people who have difficulty playing games at full speed by giving them time to aim and think.
It's cliched as shit, though
And it's often the sign of completely unimaginative and derivative game design
Imo, bullet time never gets boring. It's like saying that aiming and shooting gets boring - it's entirely based on whether or not what you get to do in the slomo is boring. If nothing else it helps people who have difficulty playing games at full speed by giving them time to aim and think.
Yeah but in this day and age, using it as the first bullet point on your list of features is...not encouraging.
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Wasn't Opium consumption a major problem during the Victorian Period? Maybe you could do the whole cult thing, but it turns out that they're all using this super-powerful and twisted version of Opium that gives folks these crazed visions of demons popping up and shit and have the player go on a opium OD bender after which they found out they committed one of the crimes Jack the Ripper's attributed to.
EDIT: Hold up, JTR removed organs from his victims? Dang, I thought he was just in the stabbing business, now that bit in Animamundi about the Whistler cutting out his victim's organs and lining them up next to the body makes sense.
EDIT: Hold up, JTR removed organs from his victims? Dang, I thought he was just in the stabbing business, now that bit in Animamundi about the Whistler cutting out his victim's organs and lining them up next to the body makes sense.
Annie Chapman
Her abdomen was slashed entirely open, and it was later discovered that the uterus had been removed.
Catherine Eddowes
The left kidney and the major part of the uterus had been removed.
Mary Jane Kelly (called herself "Marie Jeanette Kelly" after a trip to Paris; nicknamed "Ginger") was killed on Friday 9 November 1888. Her gruesomely mutilated body was discovered shortly after 10:45 a.m., lying on the bed in the single room where she lived at 13 Miller's Court, off Dorset Street, Spitalfields. Her throat had been severed down to the spine, and her abdomen virtually emptied of its organs. Her heart was missing.
Mary Jane Kelly (called herself "Marie Jeanette Kelly" after a trip to Paris; nicknamed "Ginger") was killed on Friday 9 November 1888. Her gruesomely mutilated body was discovered shortly after 10:45 a.m., lying on the bed in the single room where she lived at 13 Miller's Court, off Dorset Street, Spitalfields. Her throat had been severed down to the spine, and her abdomen virtually emptied of its organs. Her heart was missing.
All part of the job when protecting the innocent from demons, apparently.
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In more poor taste than taking the darkest times in human history (WW2) and turning it into a game?
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Hitler saving puppies.
I swear, this developer is making me regret jumping for joy when EA announced they'd actually start developing original IPs.
Anyway, if they're going this route with the game, I'll be disappointed if they don't put the "Saucy Jack" song in there somewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bytig-oavY&translated=1
you sly devil
EDIT:
The horrible thing is that now that I've said it, I can't help but think about how it would go down.
WHAT MONSTROSITY HAVE I UNLEASHED UPON THIS WORLD?
I have ways, good sir.
SEXY ways.
Really? No one posted this yet?
I imagine it being a faux-mentary. With "historians" citing various things about Hitler, including "letters" from his Generals, and pages from Hitler's journal describing his feelings about being villainized by the world. :P
Thats a game series that needs to be revived. I have fond memories of Nightmare Creatures.
"I remember when I saw Hitler show up in his time machine. Now, I didn't think much of him at the time..."
"I could see why some of the boys took him for snobby. He had a quiet way about him, a walk and a talk that just wasn't normal around here. He strolled, like a man in a park without a care or a worry in the world, like he had on an invisible coat that would shield him from this place. Yeah, I think it would be fair to say... I liked Hitler from the start. "
Anyway, I just don't get this. Is this studio going to turn all manner of fairly innocuous stories and events into demon-killin', magic-havin' action games? This is just...weird.
I think the real objection to this is the actual Jack the Ripper was an utterly depraved killer who horribly mutilated his randomly-chosen victims and put an entire city into a panic. And now he's being turned into a hero.
This would be like re-making Pac-Man with Jeffrey Dahmer.
edit - Innocuous was probably the wrong word. I meant that it seems odd that EA or whoever this is, is taking stories/events from the past, that people now look on with literary or historical curiosity (usually), and turning them into demon killing action games. I just don't get it.
Oh, that wacky Holocaust.
I agree. There HAS to be a way to make an interesting Jack the Ripper game. This just feels like "Game X" but they mashed in some Jack the Ripper.
Now I just want a Rupert Giles game.
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This is pretty much my position. This whole taking somewhat famous stories/events and then mutilating the story so it fits their game is fast becoming the company's "gimmick".
Hell, a better thing they could do is not have the guy actually be called Jack the Ripper, but instead allude to it (subtlety or not).
Holy shit
It's like they don't even know what the words "self parody" mean
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*blink*
This almost reads like an article from The Onion.
And yeah, Sorenson's probably right. The funny thing is, based on the relative lack of interest in Dante's Inferno, it ain't working.
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And only KING ARTHUR and his KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE can stop them!
By using OVER THE TOP combat with CRAZY WEAPONS and SLOWING DOWN TIME!
Coming this summer: KING ARTHUR! (based on a true story)
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(Well, that and that there's not nearly enough love for old-school mythology and legends.)
Where you're sent to investigate brutal murders and you start running into crazy cultists that you gotta take out.
"Jack" being one of them.
The idea of being Jack, who is killing secret demons is a bad idea, and is probably in really poor taste as the women murdered never really did anything wrong, other than try to survive a shitty situation.
Ulitmately failing I suppose.
No, no, no. They randomly pick a page from their encyclopedia and turn it into a badass videogame.
At this point, I'm beginning to wonder when all the good grace they got from Dead Space dries up. If it hasn't already. "Dante's Inferno? Okay, it's made by the dudes who made Dead Space." This? Eh, I'll wait to see if DI delivers before decrying One-Trick-Pony or the like.
I never asked for this!
*End of the game, Jack has just defeated the Super Devil when Jack's love interest, Marry, comes running up*
Marry: "Oh Jack you saved me and all of London!"
Jack: *repeatedly stabs Marry in the face*
*roll credits*
See that would have been a cool idea, i also love the condemned games and their signature style (Especially the second one with the alchoholic "shakes" that was a nice touch.). Being a person trying to track him down and ultimately going insane slowly in the process as you discover more crazy stuff would have been a really interesting game. But this bullet time Jack the Ripper killing demons sounds like a shitty gimmick to me. Also it's in very very poor taste, i mean the guy killed prostitutes and removed their reproductive organs, a heart in one case, and a liver in another. He killed only women and at random with no reason that anyone ever discovered.
It's cliched as shit, though
And it's often the sign of completely unimaginative and derivative game design
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Yeah but in this day and age, using it as the first bullet point on your list of features is...not encouraging.
EDIT: Hold up, JTR removed organs from his victims? Dang, I thought he was just in the stabbing business, now that bit in Animamundi about the Whistler cutting out his victim's organs and lining them up next to the body makes sense.
These ideas are all crap
And they're still better than what we know about this game
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All part of the job when protecting the innocent from demons, apparently.
Same with Dante's Inferno, it looks like fun.
So :P on everyone else.