Played a match today where our opponents would have escaped the cage sooner if one of their finishers didn't take an hour to complete. It's neat that they allow people to do stuff like that but for the love of god please don't take that shit online. Some stuff is just lol offline. Seeing the way it's been abused, I honestly wouldn't mind if create-a-finisher limited the animations to four or five for online play.
In this game, Gabe and Tycho can murder each other for a spinner belt.
Wow, now I really wish there was some sort of create-a-belt. "The Pac-Man Championship Edition Heavyweight title."
Maybe if we squint and look at the spinner belt on its side, the effect will work. Or not.
Speaking spinner belts, I asked the THQ guys (jokingly, mind) if they were going to follow Tecmo's lead and have a feature on PS3 where shaking the controller would make the belt spin.
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No more user created belts to fight over? That sucks; my friend and I had a lot of fun getting his Captain Freedom and my slimy Frenchman with a bad comb-over and a purple pinstripe suit to repeatedly feud over the Freedom Belt.
The designs not being able to be used online wasn't so much a stifling of creativity, but it also had to do with load times and the like. Many layers upon layers of those things just so you can have a dollar sign on your trunks creates excess lag online.
Sometimes there are practical reasons they don't allow things. Sometimes there are "wtf why?"
So I guess this falls in the "wtf why" category. As in, wtf why didn't they just put a 1-2-or-3 design/letter amount cap on it instead of nixing it entirely?
So maybe a bunch of immature people wouldn't go online with stuff like "fuck" and "cunt" scrawled all over their bodies? Or maybe they just felt like making you whine about stuff that doesn't affect the gameplay at all. I guess we'll never know.
Honestly, though, besides any kind of graphical or loading issues that may arise from people writing on themselves, there's plenty of reason to leave that option out of online play. As far as designs go, that could 100% be a graphical issue, but I completely understand why words are left off of characters online.
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Or maybe they just felt like making you whine about stuff that doesn't affect the gameplay at all. I guess we'll never know.
Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity.
Thanks for ignoring the main argument that I posted as to why allowing words in online matches would be a bad idea. You're so smart. o_O
And yes, regardless of "creativity", letting that happen would be a bad idea.
Anyway, I've enjoyed most of the Smackdown games, but I haven't owned any of them in a few years. This one will be a rental and I'm sure I'll squeeze all of the fun out of it in about a week.
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In terms of renting games, what system do you use, ChillyWilly? Goozex? Gamefly? Blockbuster video?
Honestly, I haven't rented a game in quite a while. I had been using Blockbuster, but with so many games coming out (or already out) in the next few months that I want to play (Brutal Legend, Arkham Asylum, Mass Effect 2, Modern Warfare 2, Smackdown, Dragon Age...probably some others I can't think of), I'm not going to have the cash to throw down on everything.
I bought Borderlands this past Tuesday and I'm loving it. I'll probably end up buying Mass Effect 2 since I know I'll get multiple throughs on it. All those others, though? I'm not buying. It's simply too expensive. I'm going to be signing up for Gamefly, I believe.
Speaking of which, does anyone here use Gamefly? How reliable is the service? I use Netflix for my movie watching and I'm assuming it's about the same process.
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Or maybe they just felt like making you whine about stuff that doesn't affect the gameplay at all. I guess we'll never know.
Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity.
Thanks for ignoring the main argument that I posted as to why allowing words in online matches would be a bad idea. You're so smart. o_O
And yes, regardless of "creativity", letting that happen would be a bad idea.
Anyway, I've enjoyed most of the Smackdown games, but I haven't owned any of them in a few years. This one will be a rental and I'm sure I'll squeeze all of the fun out of it in about a week.
Everyone's aware of the "bad idea" as its been the center of the online design/text argument for the last few years of Smackdown, except that this one allows it now so you're really just beating a dead horse. One that is decomposing rapidly. I didn't mention it because really what kind of discussion would we have about it? It's always been a stupid argument because there's nothing to stop people from swearing over the microphone. They should have always just had one of those nifty "experience may change online" disclaimers.
But what's this "regardless of creativity" crap? In any game, the creation tool is entirely creativity-based gameplay, and the creation modes are usually highly hyped features in this series - censorship that gimps the creativity does severely limit that gameplay. Maybe you're not interested in that aspect, but obviously enough people are that they continue to include and upgrade the creation modes each year, so much so that a nice little community is growing around this aspect of the gameplay. You can continue to ignore that if you want, but I for one am glad they addressed it this year.
Or maybe they just felt like making you whine about stuff that doesn't affect the gameplay at all. I guess we'll never know.
Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity.
Thanks for ignoring the main argument that I posted as to why allowing words in online matches would be a bad idea. You're so smart. o_O
And yes, regardless of "creativity", letting that happen would be a bad idea.
Anyway, I've enjoyed most of the Smackdown games, but I haven't owned any of them in a few years. This one will be a rental and I'm sure I'll squeeze all of the fun out of it in about a week.
Everyone's aware of the "bad idea" as its been the center of the online design/text argument for the last few years of Smackdown, except that this one allows it now so you're really just beating a dead horse. One that is decomposing rapidly. I didn't mention it because really what kind of discussion would we have about it? It's always been a stupid argument because there's nothing to stop people from swearing over the microphone. They should have always just had one of those nifty "experience may change online" disclaimers.
But what's this "regardless of creativity" crap? In any game, the creation tool is entirely creativity-based gameplay, and the creation modes are usually highly hyped features in this series - censorship that gimps the creativity does severely limit that gameplay. Maybe you're not interested in that aspect, but obviously enough people are that they continue to include and upgrade the creation modes each year, so much so that a nice little community is growing around this aspect of the gameplay. You can continue to ignore that if you want, but I for one am glad they addressed it this year.
There's a difference between a studio controlling the content of their game and a studio actually controlling a person and what they will say. One they have control over and one they don't.
And I'm not "ignoring" anything. I've always enjoyed the create-a-wrestler modes on wrestling games, all the way back to No Mercy and War Zone. I just don't see this as a huge "gimp" like you do.
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Or maybe they just felt like making you whine about stuff that doesn't affect the gameplay at all. I guess we'll never know.
Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity.
Thanks for ignoring the main argument that I posted as to why allowing words in online matches would be a bad idea. You're so smart. o_O
And yes, regardless of "creativity", letting that happen would be a bad idea.
Anyway, I've enjoyed most of the Smackdown games, but I haven't owned any of them in a few years. This one will be a rental and I'm sure I'll squeeze all of the fun out of it in about a week.
Everyone's aware of the "bad idea" as its been the center of the online design/text argument for the last few years of Smackdown, except that this one allows it now so you're really just beating a dead horse. One that is decomposing rapidly. I didn't mention it because really what kind of discussion would we have about it? It's always been a stupid argument because there's nothing to stop people from swearing over the microphone. They should have always just had one of those nifty "experience may change online" disclaimers.
But what's this "regardless of creativity" crap? In any game, the creation tool is entirely creativity-based gameplay, and the creation modes are usually highly hyped features in this series - censorship that gimps the creativity does severely limit that gameplay. Maybe you're not interested in that aspect, but obviously enough people are that they continue to include and upgrade the creation modes each year, so much so that a nice little community is growing around this aspect of the gameplay. You can continue to ignore that if you want, but I for one am glad they addressed it this year.
There's a difference between a studio controlling the content of their game and a studio actually controlling a person and what they will say. One they have control over and one they don't.
And I'm not "ignoring" anything. I've always enjoyed the create-a-wrestler modes on wrestling games, all the way back to No Mercy and War Zone. I just don't see this as a huge "gimp" like you do.
Have you ever seen a wrestler with something written on a shirt or their pants?
Watch the next RAW or Smackdown on television. Count how many wrestlers you see with at least one word on their shirt or pants, and how many without. Then talk about it being unimportant to Create-A-Wrestler.
Create-A-Wrestler lacking a staple of wrestling attires (the phrase or nickname) severely limits the accurate recreation of existing wrestlers as well as restricting us from having the realistic option for words on clothes. They have changed that for this game and I'm glad they did.
It's not censorship and it's not restricting creativity. It's keep things WWEPG.
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Whenver I watch videos of this (and most 3D wrestling games) it always just looks awful and distracting to me how robotic and stiff the animations look, how much clipping there is when moves don't connect, and the worst offender is how the wrestlers slide around a lot.
Or maybe they just felt like making you whine about stuff that doesn't affect the gameplay at all. I guess we'll never know.
Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity.
Thanks for ignoring the main argument that I posted as to why allowing words in online matches would be a bad idea. You're so smart. o_O
And yes, regardless of "creativity", letting that happen would be a bad idea.
Anyway, I've enjoyed most of the Smackdown games, but I haven't owned any of them in a few years. This one will be a rental and I'm sure I'll squeeze all of the fun out of it in about a week.
Everyone's aware of the "bad idea" as its been the center of the online design/text argument for the last few years of Smackdown, except that this one allows it now so you're really just beating a dead horse. One that is decomposing rapidly. I didn't mention it because really what kind of discussion would we have about it? It's always been a stupid argument because there's nothing to stop people from swearing over the microphone. They should have always just had one of those nifty "experience may change online" disclaimers.
But what's this "regardless of creativity" crap? In any game, the creation tool is entirely creativity-based gameplay, and the creation modes are usually highly hyped features in this series - censorship that gimps the creativity does severely limit that gameplay. Maybe you're not interested in that aspect, but obviously enough people are that they continue to include and upgrade the creation modes each year, so much so that a nice little community is growing around this aspect of the gameplay. You can continue to ignore that if you want, but I for one am glad they addressed it this year.
There's a difference between a studio controlling the content of their game and a studio actually controlling a person and what they will say. One they have control over and one they don't.
And I'm not "ignoring" anything. I've always enjoyed the create-a-wrestler modes on wrestling games, all the way back to No Mercy and War Zone. I just don't see this as a huge "gimp" like you do.
Have you ever seen a wrestler with something written on a shirt or their pants?
Watch the next RAW or Smackdown on television. Count how many wrestlers you see with at least one word on their shirt or pants, and how many without. Then talk about it being unimportant to Create-A-Wrestler.
Create-A-Wrestler lacking a staple of wrestling attires (the phrase or nickname) severely limits the accurate recreation of existing wrestlers as well as restricting us from having the realistic option for words on clothes. They have changed that for this game and I'm glad they did.
The fact remains that it doesn't affect the gameplay. Which was my original point to begin with.
And now, since it seems you care about this roughly 243.5x more than I do, I'll be done. It's simply not that big of an issue to me.
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The fact remains that it doesn't affect the gameplay. Which was my original point to begin with.
And now, since it seems you care about this roughly 243.5x more than I do, I'll be done. It's simply not that big of an issue to me.
And your original point was crap because its erroneous. You see, actually, the fact has always been that it does affect gameplay, as I very simply pointed out when I said, "Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity," and then continued with, "In any game, the creation tool is entirely creativity-based gameplay, and the creation modes are usually highly hyped features in this series - censorship that gimps the creativity does severely limit that gameplay. Maybe you're not interested in that aspect, but obviously enough people are that they continue to include and upgrade the creation modes each year, so much so that a nice little community is growing around this aspect of the gameplay," as opposed to you continually stating, "it doesn't affect gameplay" because you don't seem to understand you're not the only one playing this and just because you don't use a feature doesn't mean it's not part of the gameplay.
This all should have stayed on page 8. The new game has come out and apparently they've gone back on all of their policies regarding censorship / space / whatever the issue really was.
edit: Sorry to be a dick about this but you're basically saying, "My opinion is fact. You can't refute it, even though you clearly have. I dragged this topic up from ten pages ago, before the new game even came out to attack your ideas and continued to vehemently defend my actions until now, because all of a sudden, I don't care." Classy.
What's up with the out of the ring camera angle? It's pulled back way too much.
It's pulled back and too low. In real life, maybe, but there's no excuse for not being able to see prone enemies or dropped weapons because of a bad camera angle in a videogame. If anyone finds a way around that, messing with camera options or anything, please post your find.
The fact remains that it doesn't affect the gameplay. Which was my original point to begin with.
And now, since it seems you care about this roughly 243.5x more than I do, I'll be done. It's simply not that big of an issue to me.
And your original point was crap because its erroneous. You see, actually, the fact has always been that it does affect gameplay, as I very simply pointed out when I said, "Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity," and then continued with, "In any game, the creation tool is entirely creativity-based gameplay, and the creation modes are usually highly hyped features in this series - censorship that gimps the creativity does severely limit that gameplay. Maybe you're not interested in that aspect, but obviously enough people are that they continue to include and upgrade the creation modes each year, so much so that a nice little community is growing around this aspect of the gameplay," as opposed to you continually stating, "it doesn't affect gameplay" because you don't seem to understand you're not the only one playing this and just because you don't use a feature doesn't mean it's not part of the gameplay.
This all should have stayed on page 8. The new game has come out and apparently they've gone back on all of their policies regarding censorship / space / whatever the issue really was.
edit: Sorry to be a dick about this but you're basically saying, "My opinion is fact. You can't refute it, even though you clearly have. I dragged this topic up from ten pages ago, before the new game even came out to attack your ideas and continued to vehemently defend my actions until now, because all of a sudden, I don't care." Classy.
Does any of this censorship/creativity stuff affect the gameplay? You know, the wrestling part? The part where you actually control your character? The part where you build his/her stats? Does it affect your reversal timing or how powerful your moves are?
No. No it doesn't. And those things are "the gameplay". Which is what I said in the first place. So why is this argument continuing?
And you know what's really classy? Saying "sorry to be a dick" and then acting like a huge, throbbing dick. You're acting like I tried to murder your mom or something, when really, all I did was make a bit of a sarcastic remark and you thought I made fun of your "creativity" or something. Have a nice, tall glass of chill the fuck out, if you'd please. Remember, it's just a game. :P
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I can't believe how much this looks like the original Smackdown on the PS1. In the animation department, anyway.
Yeahhhh....
I mean it's not a truly terrible thing because the original Smackdown games did have good animations.
But we're 9 years later. The animation team really needs to revisit the old ones and give them some new flavor.
Yukes appears to model a lot of their style on EA with Madden (seriously, compare the menu style). Well for Madden 09, they completely rebuilt the animations from the ground up. I'd really like to see them do that for a Smackdown game.
Whenver I watch videos of this (and most 3D wrestling games) it always just looks awful and distracting to me how robotic and stiff the animations look, how much clipping there is when moves don't connect, and the worst offender is how the wrestlers slide around a lot.
That's pretty much the Smackdown games.
It's a shame that the Midway sank, because the TNA game had a really good foundation, and more importantly, awesome animation. They could have really provided a good alternative to the WWE stuff.
Something they seem to be unable to do in real life. Zing!
With the same developer every year, they'll probably never completely revamp the age engine. It's a shame. I want some fresh talent to work on a wrestling game that throws out almost every established wrestling game convention.
Also, is it weird that GameSpot still hasn't put a review up? IGN gets it a month early and GameSpot is over a week late.
The fact remains that it doesn't affect the gameplay. Which was my original point to begin with.
And now, since it seems you care about this roughly 243.5x more than I do, I'll be done. It's simply not that big of an issue to me.
And your original point was crap because its erroneous. You see, actually, the fact has always been that it does affect gameplay, as I very simply pointed out when I said, "Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity," and then continued with, "In any game, the creation tool is entirely creativity-based gameplay, and the creation modes are usually highly hyped features in this series - censorship that gimps the creativity does severely limit that gameplay. Maybe you're not interested in that aspect, but obviously enough people are that they continue to include and upgrade the creation modes each year, so much so that a nice little community is growing around this aspect of the gameplay," as opposed to you continually stating, "it doesn't affect gameplay" because you don't seem to understand you're not the only one playing this and just because you don't use a feature doesn't mean it's not part of the gameplay.
This all should have stayed on page 8. The new game has come out and apparently they've gone back on all of their policies regarding censorship / space / whatever the issue really was.
edit: Sorry to be a dick about this but you're basically saying, "My opinion is fact. You can't refute it, even though you clearly have. I dragged this topic up from ten pages ago, before the new game even came out to attack your ideas and continued to vehemently defend my actions until now, because all of a sudden, I don't care." Classy.
Does any of this censorship/creativity stuff affect the gameplay? You know, the wrestling part? The part where you actually control your character? The part where you build his/her stats? Does it affect your reversal timing or how powerful your moves are?
No. No it doesn't. And those things are "the gameplay". Which is what I said in the first place. So why is this argument continuing?
And you know what's really classy? Saying "sorry to be a dick" and then acting like a huge, throbbing dick. You're acting like I tried to murder your mom or something, when really, all I did was make a bit of a sarcastic remark and you thought I made fun of your "creativity" or something. Have a nice, tall glass of chill the fuck out, if you'd please. Remember, it's just a game. :P
Because you fail to realize that YOUR definition of gameplay doesn't actually compute when part of the GAME includes creation modes. Jesus Christ, really? Is this so hard for you? Continuing to ignore the parts where I buttslam your argument that it isn't gameplay doesn't make you any more right.
And what's more, you actually gain ACHIEVEMENTS for using the creation mode. Just because it's CREATION does not make it any less 'game play.' You're playing the game right? While you create the character? I mean, you're using the controller to modify things and it IS the Smackdown disc in your drive, correct? The argument is continuing because you don't seem to grasp the simple concept that your definition of gameplay isn't universal, and the creation modes are clearly part of the gameplay.
This, "you say you're classy, but you're a dick" back and forth is pretty stupid considering the comment was a rebuttal to you saying, "What I say is fact. I have been arguing about this even though it's not actually fact. I dug up shit from ten pages ago and continue to argue about it, but I don't caaaaaaare." It was meant to sound like throbbing dick, because you deserve nothing less for trolling about like this. Seriously, drop it.
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Wow, now I really wish there was some sort of create-a-belt. "The Pac-Man Championship Edition Heavyweight title."
Maybe if we squint and look at the spinner belt on its side, the effect will work. Or not.
Speaking spinner belts, I asked the THQ guys (jokingly, mind) if they were going to follow Tecmo's lead and have a feature on PS3 where shaking the controller would make the belt spin.
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And I gave him a Blanka Roll top rope finisher.
I wish the Xbox 360 version supported YouTube. Fucking PS3 owners.
Keyword tags are "Blanka" and "PA" for easy searching.
That's odd. It isn't like Sony and Youtube are in cahoots, or something.
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Basically, but I think the little improvements actually add up to a pretty decent step up from the last few games.
Just making reversals much harder alone makes things a ton more interesting.
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So maybe a bunch of immature people wouldn't go online with stuff like "fuck" and "cunt" scrawled all over their bodies? Or maybe they just felt like making you whine about stuff that doesn't affect the gameplay at all. I guess we'll never know.
Honestly, though, besides any kind of graphical or loading issues that may arise from people writing on themselves, there's plenty of reason to leave that option out of online play. As far as designs go, that could 100% be a graphical issue, but I completely understand why words are left off of characters online.
Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity.
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Thanks for ignoring the main argument that I posted as to why allowing words in online matches would be a bad idea. You're so smart. o_O
And yes, regardless of "creativity", letting that happen would be a bad idea.
Anyway, I've enjoyed most of the Smackdown games, but I haven't owned any of them in a few years. This one will be a rental and I'm sure I'll squeeze all of the fun out of it in about a week.
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Honestly, I haven't rented a game in quite a while. I had been using Blockbuster, but with so many games coming out (or already out) in the next few months that I want to play (Brutal Legend, Arkham Asylum, Mass Effect 2, Modern Warfare 2, Smackdown, Dragon Age...probably some others I can't think of), I'm not going to have the cash to throw down on everything.
I bought Borderlands this past Tuesday and I'm loving it. I'll probably end up buying Mass Effect 2 since I know I'll get multiple throughs on it. All those others, though? I'm not buying. It's simply too expensive. I'm going to be signing up for Gamefly, I believe.
Speaking of which, does anyone here use Gamefly? How reliable is the service? I use Netflix for my movie watching and I'm assuming it's about the same process.
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Everyone's aware of the "bad idea" as its been the center of the online design/text argument for the last few years of Smackdown, except that this one allows it now so you're really just beating a dead horse. One that is decomposing rapidly. I didn't mention it because really what kind of discussion would we have about it? It's always been a stupid argument because there's nothing to stop people from swearing over the microphone. They should have always just had one of those nifty "experience may change online" disclaimers.
But what's this "regardless of creativity" crap? In any game, the creation tool is entirely creativity-based gameplay, and the creation modes are usually highly hyped features in this series - censorship that gimps the creativity does severely limit that gameplay. Maybe you're not interested in that aspect, but obviously enough people are that they continue to include and upgrade the creation modes each year, so much so that a nice little community is growing around this aspect of the gameplay. You can continue to ignore that if you want, but I for one am glad they addressed it this year.
There's a difference between a studio controlling the content of their game and a studio actually controlling a person and what they will say. One they have control over and one they don't.
And I'm not "ignoring" anything. I've always enjoyed the create-a-wrestler modes on wrestling games, all the way back to No Mercy and War Zone. I just don't see this as a huge "gimp" like you do.
Have you ever seen a wrestler with something written on a shirt or their pants?
Watch the next RAW or Smackdown on television. Count how many wrestlers you see with at least one word on their shirt or pants, and how many without. Then talk about it being unimportant to Create-A-Wrestler.
Create-A-Wrestler lacking a staple of wrestling attires (the phrase or nickname) severely limits the accurate recreation of existing wrestlers as well as restricting us from having the realistic option for words on clothes. They have changed that for this game and I'm glad they did.
It's not censorship and it's not restricting creativity. It's keep things WWEPG.
The fact remains that it doesn't affect the gameplay. Which was my original point to begin with.
And now, since it seems you care about this roughly 243.5x more than I do, I'll be done. It's simply not that big of an issue to me.
And your original point was crap because its erroneous. You see, actually, the fact has always been that it does affect gameplay, as I very simply pointed out when I said, "Except that whenever there is a create-an-anything mode the gameplay includes creativity," and then continued with, "In any game, the creation tool is entirely creativity-based gameplay, and the creation modes are usually highly hyped features in this series - censorship that gimps the creativity does severely limit that gameplay. Maybe you're not interested in that aspect, but obviously enough people are that they continue to include and upgrade the creation modes each year, so much so that a nice little community is growing around this aspect of the gameplay," as opposed to you continually stating, "it doesn't affect gameplay" because you don't seem to understand you're not the only one playing this and just because you don't use a feature doesn't mean it's not part of the gameplay.
This all should have stayed on page 8. The new game has come out and apparently they've gone back on all of their policies regarding censorship / space / whatever the issue really was.
edit: Sorry to be a dick about this but you're basically saying, "My opinion is fact. You can't refute it, even though you clearly have. I dragged this topic up from ten pages ago, before the new game even came out to attack your ideas and continued to vehemently defend my actions until now, because all of a sudden, I don't care." Classy.
also Trish Stratus, if you consider her "classic"
It's pulled back and too low. In real life, maybe, but there's no excuse for not being able to see prone enemies or dropped weapons because of a bad camera angle in a videogame. If anyone finds a way around that, messing with camera options or anything, please post your find.
Does any of this censorship/creativity stuff affect the gameplay? You know, the wrestling part? The part where you actually control your character? The part where you build his/her stats? Does it affect your reversal timing or how powerful your moves are?
No. No it doesn't. And those things are "the gameplay". Which is what I said in the first place. So why is this argument continuing?
And you know what's really classy? Saying "sorry to be a dick" and then acting like a huge, throbbing dick. You're acting like I tried to murder your mom or something, when really, all I did was make a bit of a sarcastic remark and you thought I made fun of your "creativity" or something. Have a nice, tall glass of chill the fuck out, if you'd please. Remember, it's just a game. :P
Yeahhhh....
I mean it's not a truly terrible thing because the original Smackdown games did have good animations.
But we're 9 years later. The animation team really needs to revisit the old ones and give them some new flavor.
Yukes appears to model a lot of their style on EA with Madden (seriously, compare the menu style). Well for Madden 09, they completely rebuilt the animations from the ground up. I'd really like to see them do that for a Smackdown game.
That's pretty much the Smackdown games.
It's a shame that the Midway sank, because the TNA game had a really good foundation, and more importantly, awesome animation. They could have really provided a good alternative to the WWE stuff.
Something they seem to be unable to do in real life. Zing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EoN64W_Q4E&feature=related
Hopefully someone else picks up the license and continues the work.
Also, is it weird that GameSpot still hasn't put a review up? IGN gets it a month early and GameSpot is over a week late.
Because you fail to realize that YOUR definition of gameplay doesn't actually compute when part of the GAME includes creation modes. Jesus Christ, really? Is this so hard for you? Continuing to ignore the parts where I buttslam your argument that it isn't gameplay doesn't make you any more right.
And what's more, you actually gain ACHIEVEMENTS for using the creation mode. Just because it's CREATION does not make it any less 'game play.' You're playing the game right? While you create the character? I mean, you're using the controller to modify things and it IS the Smackdown disc in your drive, correct? The argument is continuing because you don't seem to grasp the simple concept that your definition of gameplay isn't universal, and the creation modes are clearly part of the gameplay.
This, "you say you're classy, but you're a dick" back and forth is pretty stupid considering the comment was a rebuttal to you saying, "What I say is fact. I have been arguing about this even though it's not actually fact. I dug up shit from ten pages ago and continue to argue about it, but I don't caaaaaaare." It was meant to sound like throbbing dick, because you deserve nothing less for trolling about like this. Seriously, drop it.