Smackdown veteran game designer Bryan Williams, and newcomer John Durr went into great detail explaining the laundry list of new features, including:
*Redesigned Road To Wrestlemania Mode featuring 6 New storylines. All-New Diva storyline, featuring Mickie James
*Training tutorial; players can now practice moves, (including finishers) at the title screen. On-screen prompts help to educate users of all skill levels to learn control(s) of the game.
*One Button Reversals: Instead of seperate trigger buttons for strikes and grapple reversals, there is now a single button for all reversals.
*50 Create-a-wrestler slots; 60+ playable characters. Over 100 characters to use both on or off-line. Upload your own creation, and download
User created characters.
*New storyline creation, create and build your own shows. Over 500 "Moments" to use in creation of each show; each moment equals roughly an hour of gameplay.
WWE Smackdown Vs. Raw 2010 is packed to the brim with new modes, and the most user created content of any wrestling game to date. The changes from last years' game to this year are tremendous; even without the advent of another "major" wrestling game to challenge the development team. This years' game is truly for the fans, as evidenced by the multitude of improvements.
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I usually use CAW to make fantasy characters; Freddy, Jason, Predator, Hulk, etc. It's all part of the fun. Hell, WcW once had Robocop show up to one of it's PPVs.
So from the UK review, it looks like they made the whole "level up your caw" thing a lot easier. Last year was a pain in the ass, and to my knowledge while they sorta patched the ps3 version, not the xbox one.
I usually use CAW to make fantasy characters; Freddy, Jason, Predator, Hulk, etc. It's all part of the fun. Hell, WcW once had Robocop show up to one of it's PPVs.
Didn't some Japanese players make the cast from Valkyria Chronicles? I personally had a strange variety of CAWs. From The Rock, to myself, to my Shadowrun character.
And despite it being limited, I think Create A Storyline could be fun if the PA community collaborated in some kind of LP or Game On. We just would need to make them in small parts.
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To be fair, if I download a storyline from someone else, I don't want it focus on a bunch of silly looking made-up dudes, so I'm actually OK with this. I'm not real big on the Create-A-Wrestler stuff in general. Takes a lot of time to make a guy that will never look as good as the real character models in the game.
Actually, one of their goals in this one was to make it so that the CAWs would blend. They did pretty well, from what I could tell.
I just realized another reason. What do a lot of people use CAW for? Creating wrestlers not in the game, retired, dead, etc. So its safe to assume people would us CAS to reacreate old storylines with these wrestlers not under the WWE. That's just a lawsuit waiting to happen.
They've seemed rather unconcerned about the prospect, actually. They seem to reference people creating wrestlers and superheroes a lot, as though they know and expect people to make Andre the Giant or Spider-man.
I usually use CAW to make fantasy characters; Freddy, Jason, Predator, Hulk, etc. It's all part of the fun. Hell, WcW once had Robocop show up to one of it's PPVs.
Someone at last week's event had a great Hulk going on.
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I really had no interest in this game, but watching the IGN video review and then reading it, I'm tempted by it. I haven't played a wrestling game since the the first next gen version (2007?) so I think I would enjoy this game more than someone that had been playing every yearly version.
I'm going to wait on more reviews though, since IGN's wrestling reviews tend to be wacky. Anyone remember the 9.0 that WWE Raw got for the Xbox?
Stone Cold you get as a promo code if you pre-order at Game Stop. Ugh. No thanks. I'll wait to download someone's CAW.
I read the review on IGN and watched the video review and I do believe this will be a great game. The TV style presentation looks good and the game play is still solid. I was pleased to see a rating system on the download screen so I have a rough idea of what shit to avoid.
In a perfect world, I would buy this game in a heartbeat. I would take it home, create a wrestler, and play through a wonderfully engaging, entertaining experience. After getting through at least one run of single player I'd bring it online and play in a balanced environment utilizing custom music that other players can hear. There wouldn't be any limitations on text character or designs used in online mode for a few reasons. For one, game experience may change online. For two, why the fuck would anyone stifle creativity so? I really think letting censorship defeat creativity in this instance is just irresponsible.
And maybe when I get on, I play an exhibition match against some random. Or perhaps one of the 'federations' or 'leagues' my wrestler is with has a few other wrestlers on too, and we could set up a match inside of a custom arena, utilizing custom music.
I'm going to stop myself with this fantasy scenario. We know the game isn't where it needs to be. That's not the bad part. The game isn't where it should be. Naturally, the product should have evolved by now but they're all too comfortable rehashing the same animations, the same textures, and giving us essentially the same fucking game every year.
WWE needs to swallow its ego, allow for customization to take the reigns. This doesn't mean abandon the entire 'RAW vs Smackdown' storyline, but understand that as the producer of the most-played wrestling game on the market, there's a level of responsibility toward taking care of gamers' needs. With online gaming as popular as it is, they really need to embrace the idea of Create-A-*everything* so that if one should desire, the entire game could be customized to play as (for instance) PENNY ARCADE WRESTLING, without so much as seeing an actual licensed wrestler outside of the game intro or the loading sequences. Wrestling online in someone else's federation (or creating your own) would really bring the wrestling experience full-circle, it would really feel like you have control in your hands.
As it stands, I wouldn't give Smackdown as a gift unless it were to my worst enemy. The game is playable but far under the standard of games I'm proud to say I play. That said, it's almost a burden because anything you really want to actually *do* in the game aside from the bare-bones starting package has to be unlocked through mundane grinding or some stupid means. It would be different if they gave you the stuff up front, or gave you the option to simply unlock it. But if the journey to unlock these things isn't fun, it feels like you're working a job instead of playing a game. I'm tired of wrestling games making me feel this way. It's so frustrating.
WWE needs to swallow its ego, allow for customization to take the reigns. This doesn't mean abandon the entire 'RAW vs Smackdown' storyline, but understand that as the producer of the most-played wrestling game on the market, there's a level of responsibility toward taking care of gamers' needs. With online gaming as popular as it is, they really need to embrace the idea of Create-A-*everything* so that if one should desire, the entire game could be customized to play as (for instance) PENNY ARCADE WRESTLING, without so much as seeing an actual licensed wrestler outside of the game intro or the loading sequences. Wrestling online in someone else's federation (or creating your own) would really bring the wrestling experience full-circle, it would really feel like you have control in your hands.
I'm sorry, but this is just a horrible idea.
I get why you would want that. There's 0 options in wrestling games except for the Smackdown games, (I guess Fire Pro but that's not on 360/PS3) so if you're not into the WWE product but enjoy wrestling in general you're stuck playing Smackdown or the older wrestling games.
That doesn't mean that THQ should push their license to the side to cater to you, admittely a small audience. The WWE game is sold based on the WWE name AND serves as a way to push the WWE product in general. It doesn't make any sense to allow players to just basically erase everything with the WWE name in it.
Back to SvR 2010, a cool detail the video review mentions it that you can use your highlight reel (clips of your matches edited by you) as your entrance video. Should be cool to see what people set up.
WWE needs to swallow its ego, allow for customization to take the reigns. This doesn't mean abandon the entire 'RAW vs Smackdown' storyline, but understand that as the producer of the most-played wrestling game on the market, there's a level of responsibility toward taking care of gamers' needs. With online gaming as popular as it is, they really need to embrace the idea of Create-A-*everything* so that if one should desire, the entire game could be customized to play as (for instance) PENNY ARCADE WRESTLING, without so much as seeing an actual licensed wrestler outside of the game intro or the loading sequences. Wrestling online in someone else's federation (or creating your own) would really bring the wrestling experience full-circle, it would really feel like you have control in your hands.
I'm sorry, but this is just a horrible idea.
I get why you would want that. There's 0 options in wrestling games except for the Smackdown games, (I guess Fire Pro but that's not on 360/PS3) so if you're not into the WWE product but enjoy wrestling in general you're stuck playing Smackdown or the older wrestling games.
That doesn't mean that THQ should push their license to the side to cater to you, admittely a small audience. The WWE game is sold based on the WWE name AND serves as a way to push the WWE product in general. It doesn't make any sense to allow players to just basically erase everything with the WWE name in it.
Back to SvR 2010, a cool detail the video review mentions it that you can use your highlight reel (clips of your matches edited by you) as your entrance video. Should be cool to see what people set up.
THQ doesn't have to push a license *to the side* and cater to me. I even stated that abandoning "Raw vs Smackdown" doesn't need to happen, nor should it. My suggestion could be implemented as an option or choice. More options sounds like the ability to appeal and please more people, and as far as horrible ideas go, I don't think that would rank high on the list.
One look at CAWS.WS would tell you, there's a large community that likes to recreate wrestlers in SvR. You simply cannot have a wrestler with custom words written on them for play online, however. That is stifling creativity and the complaints become founded once more.
As for the unlocking stuff, I hope for everyone's sake it becomes easier but it would be so much better if there were an option (read: not mandatory) to unlock the features from a cheat menu. Like Rock Band, allowing you to 'unlock all songs.' It's not a matter of skipping the 'earning process,' rather, the convenience of using the features of a game you want, right away, especially when their exclusion from the starting line-up is questionable.
edit: And just so complaining isn't the only thing I'm doing. I really want to praise the Create-A-Finisher. Fantastic start, I can't wait to see how that feature evolves. However, if we are to expect the developers to remain consistent, it will be a few years before anything significant comes of this feature.
I wish it would default everyone's tattoo settings to complete darkness and 35% alpha so they look like actual tattoos instead of fresh, wet ink all over people online.
The designs not being able to be used online wasn't so much a stifling of creativity, but it also had to do with load times and the like. Many layers upon layers of those things just so you can have a dollar sign on your trunks creates excess lag online.
Sometimes there are practical reasons they don't allow things. Sometimes there are "wtf why?"
The designs not being able to be used online wasn't so much a stifling of creativity, but it also had to do with load times and the like. Many layers upon layers of those things just so you can have a dollar sign on your trunks creates excess lag online.
Sometimes there are practical reasons they don't allow things. Sometimes there are "wtf why?"
So I guess this falls in the "wtf why" category. As in, wtf why didn't they just put a 1-2-or-3 design/letter amount cap on it instead of nixing it entirely?
From what I understand, the design thing is no longer an issue online. Plus now that we can actually draw out own designs, we won't have to use 50 million layers to create an accurate logo anymore.
But again, loading a model should not take THAT MUCH resource, all the tatoos and clothing are on the opponents PS3 to. Its all down to the major flaws in the game engine and the terrible, terrible load times.
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Being able to create your own entrance video sounds awesome. Hopefully it allows more than just pasting clips together, like special effects and text and what not. That was always a bother for me, having to use another wrestler's video or one of the generic brand ones.
With online gaming as popular as it is, they really need to embrace the idea of Create-A-*everything* so that if one should desire, the entire game could be customized.
This is assuming that everyone wants this...which I'm pretty sure they don't. I mean, I know that *I* don't.
I also would like it if CAW didn't take 30 seconds to show every change I am trying to make when it comes to my wrestler's hair style. Seriously, the load times for changes have gotten way out of hand.
I also would like it if CAW didn't take 30 seconds to show every change I am trying to make when it comes to my wrestler's hair style. Seriously, the load times for changes have gotten way out of hand.
That's been reportdely fix, and the IGN review mentions almost no loading of parts in the CAW.
Thank goodness. That was killing me in previous versions. I think Fight Night might be the biggest offender on that front, but WWE games have been pretty bad as of late.
With online gaming as popular as it is, they really need to embrace the idea of Create-A-*everything* so that if one should desire, the entire game could be customized.
This is assuming that everyone wants this...which I'm pretty sure they don't. I mean, I know that *I* don't.
They could have said the same thing about Create-A-Superstar/Wrestler at some point. Aren't you glad they didn't? :?
But sure, deny the natural progression of customization in a wrestling game from really taking off b/c it doesn't suit you.
edit: After reading the IGN Article, I'm pretty sure I'll pick this up. I remember for Smackdown 2007 (I believe..) myself and Accault tried to get Penny Arcade Wrestling off the ground. Better luck this time?
Last wrestling game I got was ... Day of Reckoning. And before that, No Mercy.
I really want to get this. I'm a little bit concerned about how CAWs are online now. My Xbox isn't online, and I would still like to get CAWs from websites and message boards, the old fashioned way. You think that will still be happening with this version?
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I'm pretty sure people are still going to be posting CAW formulas online. I'll be doing the same.
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I'm pretty sure people are still going to be posting CAW formulas online. I'll be doing the same.
I am done with those days I think. I posted so much for Fire Pro and it just doesn't seem worth it when you get no feedback.
I would be up for a league or something if you guys want. How would it work? Can you have title matches online? I assume so. I say first things first...battle royal to determine the champ.
I'm pretty sure people are still going to be posting CAW formulas online. I'll be doing the same.
I am done with those days I think. I posted so much for Fire Pro and it just doesn't seem worth it when you get no feedback.
I would be up for a league or something if you guys want. How would it work? Can you have title matches online? I assume so. I say first things first...battle royal to determine the champ.
I think an online league would be fun. We could use the story creator to make promos and whatnot.
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Now I'm not so sure about the point system. Reading the IGN review, he said he didn't have enough points for hair, a suit jacket, a t-shirt, pants, shoes, and sunglasses. He had to choose between sunglasses and pants. That seems pretty limiting.
Now I'm not so sure about the point system. Reading the IGN review, he said he didn't have enough points for hair, a suit jacket, a t-shirt, pants, shoes, and sunglasses. He had to choose between sunglasses and pants. That seems pretty limiting.
Seems pretty dumb to even add a point system to wrestler creation.
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Didn't some Japanese players make the cast from Valkyria Chronicles? I personally had a strange variety of CAWs. From The Rock, to myself, to my Shadowrun character.
And despite it being limited, I think Create A Storyline could be fun if the PA community collaborated in some kind of LP or Game On. We just would need to make them in small parts.
Actually, one of their goals in this one was to make it so that the CAWs would blend. They did pretty well, from what I could tell.
They've seemed rather unconcerned about the prospect, actually. They seem to reference people creating wrestlers and superheroes a lot, as though they know and expect people to make Andre the Giant or Spider-man.
Stone Cold is in, sort of. He's a GameStop (and I think some other participating retailers) preorder bonus for the 360/PS3 version.
The Rock is in.
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I'm going to wait on more reviews though, since IGN's wrestling reviews tend to be wacky. Anyone remember the 9.0 that WWE Raw got for the Xbox?
I read the review on IGN and watched the video review and I do believe this will be a great game. The TV style presentation looks good and the game play is still solid. I was pleased to see a rating system on the download screen so I have a rough idea of what shit to avoid.
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And maybe when I get on, I play an exhibition match against some random. Or perhaps one of the 'federations' or 'leagues' my wrestler is with has a few other wrestlers on too, and we could set up a match inside of a custom arena, utilizing custom music.
I'm going to stop myself with this fantasy scenario. We know the game isn't where it needs to be. That's not the bad part. The game isn't where it should be. Naturally, the product should have evolved by now but they're all too comfortable rehashing the same animations, the same textures, and giving us essentially the same fucking game every year.
WWE needs to swallow its ego, allow for customization to take the reigns. This doesn't mean abandon the entire 'RAW vs Smackdown' storyline, but understand that as the producer of the most-played wrestling game on the market, there's a level of responsibility toward taking care of gamers' needs. With online gaming as popular as it is, they really need to embrace the idea of Create-A-*everything* so that if one should desire, the entire game could be customized to play as (for instance) PENNY ARCADE WRESTLING, without so much as seeing an actual licensed wrestler outside of the game intro or the loading sequences. Wrestling online in someone else's federation (or creating your own) would really bring the wrestling experience full-circle, it would really feel like you have control in your hands.
As it stands, I wouldn't give Smackdown as a gift unless it were to my worst enemy. The game is playable but far under the standard of games I'm proud to say I play. That said, it's almost a burden because anything you really want to actually *do* in the game aside from the bare-bones starting package has to be unlocked through mundane grinding or some stupid means. It would be different if they gave you the stuff up front, or gave you the option to simply unlock it. But if the journey to unlock these things isn't fun, it feels like you're working a job instead of playing a game. I'm tired of wrestling games making me feel this way. It's so frustrating.
I'm sorry, but this is just a horrible idea.
I get why you would want that. There's 0 options in wrestling games except for the Smackdown games, (I guess Fire Pro but that's not on 360/PS3) so if you're not into the WWE product but enjoy wrestling in general you're stuck playing Smackdown or the older wrestling games.
That doesn't mean that THQ should push their license to the side to cater to you, admittely a small audience. The WWE game is sold based on the WWE name AND serves as a way to push the WWE product in general. It doesn't make any sense to allow players to just basically erase everything with the WWE name in it.
Back to SvR 2010, a cool detail the video review mentions it that you can use your highlight reel (clips of your matches edited by you) as your entrance video. Should be cool to see what people set up.
And one look at the reviews would say your complaints about unlocking stuff in a boring manner are a thing of the past.
THQ doesn't have to push a license *to the side* and cater to me. I even stated that abandoning "Raw vs Smackdown" doesn't need to happen, nor should it. My suggestion could be implemented as an option or choice. More options sounds like the ability to appeal and please more people, and as far as horrible ideas go, I don't think that would rank high on the list.
One look at CAWS.WS would tell you, there's a large community that likes to recreate wrestlers in SvR. You simply cannot have a wrestler with custom words written on them for play online, however. That is stifling creativity and the complaints become founded once more.
As for the unlocking stuff, I hope for everyone's sake it becomes easier but it would be so much better if there were an option (read: not mandatory) to unlock the features from a cheat menu. Like Rock Band, allowing you to 'unlock all songs.' It's not a matter of skipping the 'earning process,' rather, the convenience of using the features of a game you want, right away, especially when their exclusion from the starting line-up is questionable.
edit: And just so complaining isn't the only thing I'm doing. I really want to praise the Create-A-Finisher. Fantastic start, I can't wait to see how that feature evolves. However, if we are to expect the developers to remain consistent, it will be a few years before anything significant comes of this feature.
Sometimes there are practical reasons they don't allow things. Sometimes there are "wtf why?"
So I guess this falls in the "wtf why" category. As in, wtf why didn't they just put a 1-2-or-3 design/letter amount cap on it instead of nixing it entirely?
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Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
This is assuming that everyone wants this...which I'm pretty sure they don't. I mean, I know that *I* don't.
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That's been reportdely fix, and the IGN review mentions almost no loading of parts in the CAW.
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We need to start a potential buyers list. Heh.
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They could have said the same thing about Create-A-Superstar/Wrestler at some point. Aren't you glad they didn't? :?
But sure, deny the natural progression of customization in a wrestling game from really taking off b/c it doesn't suit you.
edit: After reading the IGN Article, I'm pretty sure I'll pick this up. I remember for Smackdown 2007 (I believe..) myself and Accault tried to get Penny Arcade Wrestling off the ground. Better luck this time?
I really want to get this. I'm a little bit concerned about how CAWs are online now. My Xbox isn't online, and I would still like to get CAWs from websites and message boards, the old fashioned way. You think that will still be happening with this version?
I am done with those days I think. I posted so much for Fire Pro and it just doesn't seem worth it when you get no feedback.
I would be up for a league or something if you guys want. How would it work? Can you have title matches online? I assume so. I say first things first...battle royal to determine the champ.
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But SvR10 is gonna have downloadable wrestlers from the game. The days of formulas could be done.
That said, caws.ws is the best site for creations.
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I think an online league would be fun. We could use the story creator to make promos and whatnot.
No one ever posted in the Fire Pro thread I made on here and people rarely posted over at FP Club. Plus I think I lost a little interest in it.
I might boot up SvR07 sometime in the near future to see if I definitely want to get the newest game.
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Seems pretty dumb to even add a point system to wrestler creation.
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and then for how long it takes me to get a PS360. Not sure about PS2 version.