I predict some talking head will say this proves Obama is a communist since the prize is given by a communist country.
Anyone betting against?
This was my first thought also.
Other than that, there must have been other better candidates than Obama. He hasn't actually done anything yet. Don't get me wrong, any change in power from the former administration is a good change, but I don't really see how it's Nobel Prize good.
Maybe it's time we take back the peace prize from the Norwegians, that Union thing that was the reason for them getting it in the first place isn't really relevant anymore?
He is however taking steps to prevent a 3rd or 4th war by opening diplomatic channels. Something the previous administration was against. Giving him some diplomatic backing there would help.
Obama can claim to have done one thing to further peace and understanding: He was elected president of the USA. Have we all forgoten that this was kinda of a big deal?
He also brokered a deal with Russia to decrease the two's nuclear stockpiles and has, at least for now, defused the situation surrounding the missile defence shield.
I still don't think this was warranted, though. The dude has done some stuff, but honestly I'd expect a lot of this from any less-than-disasterous president.
True. He's done SOME good stuff, but we're not even near nobel prize level yet. And wasn't this prize meant as something to help those who are in dire need of more funds to further their work?
True. He's done SOME good stuff, but we're not even near nobel prize level yet. And wasn't this prize meant as something to help those who are in dire need of more funds to further their work?
If he does accept it (what's the protocol on that? It's been announced, so he'll probably accept it, I dunno how it works), I'd be very surprised if he didn't donate the money to charity.
It's a stupid bullshit political award given for stupid bullshit political reasons. It was a noble idea by Alfred Nobel, but is you know, stupid.
The scientific prizes are a good idea. Peace prize is way too political. I'm undecided on the literature prize.
Right, I'm specifically referring to the Peace Prize.
There are all kinds of ways he could potentially deserve such an award in a few years, especially if his nuclear disarmament proposals take off. But now... no.
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That said, this is wildly pre-mature. They should've waited for results or for his first term to be over so that they could award it for all the effort toward things.
My first reaction when my girlfriend told me this morning was "you must have accidently clicked on a Snopes link on your google homepage".
I like Obama as much as anyone else, and yeah, he has shown a lot of commitment to doing something about nuclear disarmament and climate change, but this is way too early and not much has been accomplished yet. It also seems a little patronising too, like they're trying to jump on the "me too" bandwagon of gushing about how amazing it is that a black guy got elected.
I guess it becomes a question of who else it should be given to. It does seem like it has been a slow year for peace.
Obama has done some pretty admirable diplomatic things for a U.S. president, although none of it has been particularly flashy or even that permanent.
How about the IPCC
Or the researchers at the LHC
Or the Apollo 11 Crew
You know, peace through the spirit of exploration and the pursuit of knowledge, pushing the boundaries of humanity's reach and all that
Those are science things, though. The Peace Prize is supposed to go to someone that is working for peace between people, not exploring space or sub-space.
I'm not sure Obama really deserves this yet, but I'm at a loss as to who in the international community really deserves it more. This last year wasn't exactly full of Mandelas or Ghandis. Opening actual honest to god nuclear talks with Iran and Russia is a damn good start, but it seems like they should at least wait until something is inked to give him the credit for that. Iran shipping out its enriched material is nice, but it's not conclusive.
Yeah, this was way too early. To be fair to the Nobel organization, I more or less sussed out what the reasoning was before I ever heard their explanation, and I suppose that in an off year where there weren't too many serious alternatives, it makes some sense. Still, good for Obama, maybe he can follow through on some of his goals and win again in a few years. I'm genuinely curious to see how this is going to play with the Obama hater crowd.
I think its kinda unfair to blame Obama for running two wars at once, both of them where started before he was even elected to the senate after all. He can't leave either of them without them becoming worse then if we stayed, so its not like he has a lot of choice in the matter. Credit where credit is due(Bush) after all.
To the reasoning of the far left, Obama had 90 days to sound retreat and call the army home. That didn't happen, so in their eyes he ceased to be a potential Gerald Ford and became Lyndon B. Johnson.
Unequivocal retreat. That's what the anti-war platform wanted when they voted for Obama.
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Honestly, the far left that wants all the troops home no matter what annoy the piss out of me. They're extremely selfish, with regard to what the situation would be like if we did pull our troops out all of a sudden.
Yes, and the rest of us on the left that aren't living in fantasyland actually knew that Obama being elected president wasn't going to magically end our conflicts abroad and bring our military home overnight. I fully expect us to still be in Afghanistan when Obama gets re-elected.
I think its kinda unfair to blame Obama for running two wars at once, both of them where started before he was even elected to the senate after all. He can't leave either of them without them becoming worse then if we stayed, so its not like he has a lot of choice in the matter. Credit where credit is due(Bush) after all.
To the reasoning of the far left, Obama had 90 days to sound retreat and call the army home. That didn't happen, so in their eyes he ceased to be a potential Gerald Ford and became Lyndon B. Johnson.
Unequivocal retreat. That's what the anti-war platform wanted when they voted for Obama.
I will admit I thought this initially, but then I realized what an Awful Mistake this would have been.
I am a HUGE Obamafan, but even I feel this was a bit...early.
But my question is this- who else has done anything notable for peace this year? Obama has at least gotten the ball rolling on diplomacy and has started working pretty well with the UN. That coupled with his LARGE international appeal can bee seen as points towards this.
I guess my question is this- Internationally, how is Obama received? I know we have some furr'ners around here, weigh in guys! How does your country view our prez?
I will admit I thought this initially, but then I realized what an Awful Mistake this would have been.
This may very well be true but the extreme far left (like the extreme far right) lives in a delusional fascist reality where their conclusions are always right and nothing bad would happen if the country would follow their mandates to the letter.
I will admit I thought this initially, but then I realized what an Awful Mistake this would have been.
This may very well be true but the extreme far left (like the extreme far right) lives in a delusional fascist reality where their conclusions are always right and nothing bad would happen if the country would follow their mandates to the letter.
As most people have agreed, its premature. Yes, President Obama has been a force for peace and world stability if only by not being as insane as his predecessor in terms of policy, diplomatic contempt and bellicosity. And yes, his mere election shored up international unity in terms of giving Developing Nations a glimpse into the possibility of becoming more (a political American dream if you will) and by putting America under the leadership of a guy who could probably have won high office in half of Europe given his apparent popularity there. But he hasn't had the time to enact the actual policy changes he intends yet.
Still, its worth it. Why?
The conservatives are going to LOSE THEIR SHIT
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Apparently the award was partially for his past successes, partially for changing the climate of international diplomacy and partially to encourage that climate. So "more of this please!" as well as "good job hi5!"
That said, this is wildly pre-mature. They should've waited for results or for his first term to be over so that they could award it for all the effort toward things.
Well that and it seems to be partially "WHY HASN'T HE GOTTEN A YEAR OF BIG STUFF DONE ALREADY! WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS TAKES TIME?!"
A lot of this stuff does take time. Yeah, the health care stuff is a debacle, but so is every big bill that goes to Congress. Welcome to the legislature.
Mark Halperin was on Morning Joe this morning, and he speculated that this may have also been a move to encourage Obama to not pursue military options with Iran. It does look kinda bad to be a Nobel Peace Prize winner and then go declare war.
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Well, talks have started again with Iran, North Korea seems to be willing to almost begin negotiations again (although this one being Obama's is probably not accurate), we stopped the idiot missile shield system, which warmed ties with Russia, and the idea that we don't really have to live in fear that we'll randomly go to war with someone we don't like is nice.
So to say he's done nothing isn't quite accurate. It's certainly premature, but the groundwork to actually achieving shit has already begun
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I think its kinda unfair to blame Obama for running two wars at once, both of them where started before he was even elected to the senate after all. He can't leave either of them without them becoming worse then if we stayed, so its not like he has a lot of choice in the matter. Credit where credit is due(Bush) after all.
To the reasoning of the far left, Obama had 90 days to sound retreat and call the army home. That didn't happen, so in their eyes he ceased to be a potential Gerald Ford and became Lyndon B. Johnson.
Unequivocal retreat. That's what the anti-war platform wanted when they voted for Obama.
I will admit I thought this initially, but then I realized what an Awful Mistake this would have been.
I am a HUGE Obamafan, but even I feel this was a bit...early.
But my question is this- who else has done anything notable for peace this year? Obama has at least gotten the ball rolling on diplomacy and has started working pretty well with the UN. That coupled with his LARGE international appeal can bee seen as points towards this.
I guess my question is this- Internationally, how is Obama received? I know we have some furr'ners around here, weigh in guys! How does your country view our prez?
Up here in Canada he's viewed half decently. I personally think he's doing an alright job with it being just under a year since he was elected but I do think a nobel peace prize is a bit much. At least for right now. True he's done quite a bit on international relations but I still couldn't help but feel it was a bit premature when I heard this on the radio this morning.
This just in: Pope Benedict XVI has Beatified Barrack Obama, the first step in having Obama declared as a Saint. His Holyness said that calling Kayne West a Jackass was a Blessed Act which shows his devotion to Christ. He also cited the miracle by which Obama turned Red States into Blue States. [/satire]
Yeah, feels a little premature. I hope it's vindicated in the future.
This just in: Pope Benedict XVI has Beatified Barrack Obama, the first step in having Obama declared as a Saint. His Holyness said that calling Kayne West a Jackass was a Blessed Act which shows his devotion to Christ. He also cited the miracle by which Obama turned Red States into Blue States. [/satire]
Yeah, feels a little premature. I hope it's vindicated in the future.
But...but...the gays! The abortions! The free thinking women!
According to what I've read, nominations had to have been post marked by February 1st. Obama was inaugurated on the 20th. What did he do in less than two weeks to win a Nobel Prize?
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This was my first thought also.
Other than that, there must have been other better candidates than Obama. He hasn't actually done anything yet. Don't get me wrong, any change in power from the former administration is a good change, but I don't really see how it's Nobel Prize good.
Maybe it's time we take back the peace prize from the Norwegians, that Union thing that was the reason for them getting it in the first place isn't really relevant anymore?
True. He's done SOME good stuff, but we're not even near nobel prize level yet. And wasn't this prize meant as something to help those who are in dire need of more funds to further their work?
I saw this earlier.
Obama has done some pretty admirable diplomatic things for a U.S. president, although none of it has been particularly flashy or even that permanent.
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If he does accept it (what's the protocol on that? It's been announced, so he'll probably accept it, I dunno how it works), I'd be very surprised if he didn't donate the money to charity.
The scientific prizes are a good idea. Peace prize is way too political. I'm undecided on the literature prize.
How about the IPCC
Or the researchers at the LHC
Or the Apollo 11 Crew
You know, peace through the spirit of exploration and the pursuit of knowledge, pushing the boundaries of humanity's reach and all that
Right, I'm specifically referring to the Peace Prize.
There are all kinds of ways he could potentially deserve such an award in a few years, especially if his nuclear disarmament proposals take off. But now... no.
No. No it's not. :?
That said, this is wildly pre-mature. They should've waited for results or for his first term to be over so that they could award it for all the effort toward things.
that seems as silly as giving it to Obama
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
I like Obama as much as anyone else, and yeah, he has shown a lot of commitment to doing something about nuclear disarmament and climate change, but this is way too early and not much has been accomplished yet. It also seems a little patronising too, like they're trying to jump on the "me too" bandwagon of gushing about how amazing it is that a black guy got elected.
Hammarskjöld received it posthumously, but I think he might have already been nominated before the plane crash.
I'm not sure Obama really deserves this yet, but I'm at a loss as to who in the international community really deserves it more. This last year wasn't exactly full of Mandelas or Ghandis. Opening actual honest to god nuclear talks with Iran and Russia is a damn good start, but it seems like they should at least wait until something is inked to give him the credit for that. Iran shipping out its enriched material is nice, but it's not conclusive.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Personally, I don't blame him at all. I just don't think he should get credit for ending them until they've ended.
Declare war on Norway.
Y'know, I'm sure some of our more... colorful personalities... in America are going to condemn the entire nation for this.
To the reasoning of the far left, Obama had 90 days to sound retreat and call the army home. That didn't happen, so in their eyes he ceased to be a potential Gerald Ford and became Lyndon B. Johnson.
Unequivocal retreat. That's what the anti-war platform wanted when they voted for Obama.
I will admit I thought this initially, but then I realized what an Awful Mistake this would have been.
I am a HUGE Obamafan, but even I feel this was a bit...early.
But my question is this- who else has done anything notable for peace this year? Obama has at least gotten the ball rolling on diplomacy and has started working pretty well with the UN. That coupled with his LARGE international appeal can bee seen as points towards this.
I guess my question is this- Internationally, how is Obama received? I know we have some furr'ners around here, weigh in guys! How does your country view our prez?
This may very well be true but the extreme far left (like the extreme far right) lives in a delusional fascist reality where their conclusions are always right and nothing bad would happen if the country would follow their mandates to the letter.
Well, duh.
Still, its worth it. Why?
The conservatives are going to LOSE THEIR SHIT
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Apparently the award was partially for his past successes, partially for changing the climate of international diplomacy and partially to encourage that climate. So "more of this please!" as well as "good job hi5!"
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Well that and it seems to be partially "WHY HASN'T HE GOTTEN A YEAR OF BIG STUFF DONE ALREADY! WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS TAKES TIME?!"
A lot of this stuff does take time. Yeah, the health care stuff is a debacle, but so is every big bill that goes to Congress. Welcome to the legislature.
Though yeah. Premature on the Noble Peace prize.
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The SE++ thread on this has some Fox news comments in their OP, if you want to see it begin.
So to say he's done nothing isn't quite accurate. It's certainly premature, but the groundwork to actually achieving shit has already begun
Up here in Canada he's viewed half decently. I personally think he's doing an alright job with it being just under a year since he was elected but I do think a nobel peace prize is a bit much. At least for right now. True he's done quite a bit on international relations but I still couldn't help but feel it was a bit premature when I heard this on the radio this morning.
President McCain declares war on cloud.
Yeah, feels a little premature. I hope it's vindicated in the future.
putting it this way, it seems even more crazy.
It has been LESS THAN nine months since Obama took office. Babies who were conceived on Inauguration Day still haven't been brought to full term.
But...but...the gays! The abortions! The free thinking women!
First black president I guess? Maybe?