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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Which reminds me.

    In one episode of Firefly, Jayne was going to shoot someone while in space. And he claimed that his firearm needed "air around it" to funtion. So they had the rifle in a space suit when he took the shot. Would this be true?

    Don't all the propelling gasses form from the explosive compound in the cartridge, why would you need air around the gun to fire it?


    I want to know this because I want to bring a revolver with me to the new goldrush.

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't think you could achieve enough combustion to propel the bullet. Fire needs oxygen after all. Even if the bullet was entirely airtight, I doubt there would be enough trapped in the shell.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    The moon has shittons of platina an oher rare metals, didn't anybody tell you?

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    WallhitterWallhitter Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    best option for a space-based projectile weapon would be some variation on a rail/coilgun, yeah?

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    But it is possible to make explosives that are self-oxidizing, so space guns yay

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    best option for a space-based projectile weapon would be some variation on a rail/coilgun, yeah?

    Recoilless rifles would be better suited, I think actually, if we're talking small arms

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    best option for a space-based projectile weapon would be some variation on a rail/coilgun, yeah?
    You'd always have to counteract the recoil.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't think you could achieve enough combustion to propel the bullet. Fire needs oxygen after all. Even if the bullet was entirely airtight, I doubt there would be enough trapped in the shell.

    I thought it was all in the solid mixture there, given that the initial explosion takes place within the cartridge and those usually look pretty airtight. I'm going to have to try this I guess.

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    WallhitterWallhitter Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    best option for a space-based projectile weapon would be some variation on a rail/coilgun, yeah?
    You'd always have to counteract the recoil.

    Brace your ass against something propelling itself in the other direction with equivalent force, maybe?

    (i'm horrible with physics)

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Easy, you have to bunny hop forward while shooting. That way you equal out the recoil, also it will look funny and give space shootouts their own special flavor.

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    best option for a space-based projectile weapon would be some variation on a rail/coilgun, yeah?
    You'd always have to counteract the recoil.

    Brace your ass against something propelling itself in the other direction with equivalent force, maybe?

    (i'm horrible with physics)
    Well yeah, but even then whatever you're braced against would have to be braced against something.

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    TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    uuuuugh that Amp was a bad idea. Even if it was free.

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Tarranon wrote: »
    uuuuugh that Amp was a bad idea. Even if it was free.
    Drink or music equipment?

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Or just use recoilless rifles

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Honk wrote: »
    Easy, you have to bunny hop forward while shooting. That way you equal out the recoil, also it will look funny and give space shootouts their own special flavor.
    But there isn't anything to push off of, so you can't bunny hop.

    We need space jetpacks before we can even start thinking about space shootouts.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    best option for a space-based projectile weapon would be some variation on a rail/coilgun, yeah?
    You'd always have to counteract the recoil.

    Brace your ass against something propelling itself in the other direction with equivalent force, maybe?

    (i'm horrible with physics)
    Well yeah, but even then whatever you're braced against would have to be braced against something.

    Even better, shoot in both directions (180 degrees) at the same time - always. With two of the same weapon this'll always work.

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Or just use recoilless rifles
    There's still some recoil though.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Honk wrote: »
    Easy, you have to bunny hop forward while shooting. That way you equal out the recoil, also it will look funny and give space shootouts their own special flavor.
    But there isn't anything to push off of, so you can't bunny hop.

    We need space jetpacks before we can even start thinking about space shootouts.

    We're talking Moon shootouts here, for the next goldrush dammit!

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Honk wrote: »
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    best option for a space-based projectile weapon would be some variation on a rail/coilgun, yeah?
    You'd always have to counteract the recoil.

    Brace your ass against something propelling itself in the other direction with equivalent force, maybe?

    (i'm horrible with physics)
    Well yeah, but even then whatever you're braced against would have to be braced against something.

    Even better, shoot in both directions (180 degrees) at the same time - always. With two of the same weapon this'll always work.
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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Or just use recoilless rifles
    There's still some recoil though.

    Aren't RPG's totally recoilless though? I mean it's basically just an open ended tube.

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    BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Or just use recoilless rifles

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    PHYSICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    anything that projects energy in one direction will have recoil

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    YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    The first space shootout would be one bullet per person and a lot of people spinning in place.

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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    But it is possible to make explosives that are self-oxidizing, so space guns yay

    Modern smokeless powder can be fired in a vacuum. But I suspect that it would play hell with the effect of the rifling.

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Newtons 3rd law guys. Come on. "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." There is nothing that doesn't obey that law.

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Life is essentially a cheat and its conditions are those of defeat; the redeeming things are not happiness and pleasure but the deeper satisfactions that come out of struggle.

    LATER [CHAT] I AM OFF TO GO STORM INTO THE FINANCIAL AID OFFICE AND EAT A BURRITO.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Bama wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Or just use recoilless rifles

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    PHYSICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

    Sigh. Yes they do.

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    TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Tarranon wrote: »
    uuuuugh that Amp was a bad idea. Even if it was free.
    Drink or music equipment?

    drink. urp. Now I'm all zombie jitters.

    Zombie jitters are when you are tired but also completely buzzed on stimulants.

    This is opposed to the good jitters that come with a feeling of euphoria and creativity.

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    JohannenJohannen Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Newtons 3rd law guys. Come on. "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." There is nothing that doesn't obey that law.

    "Energy can not be created or removed, it can only be changed from one form of vaginal sex into another form of anal sex."

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
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    JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Elki's been a busy man.

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Bama wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Or just use recoilless rifles

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    PHYSICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

    Sigh. Yes they do.
    Recoilless rifles have recoil. If I fire a bullet from a rifle, the force the bullet is exerting to leave the rifle will be exerted back on the rifle. Newtons 3rd law, man.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Honk wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Or just use recoilless rifles
    There's still some recoil though.
    Aren't RPG's totally recoilless though? I mean it's basically just an open ended tube.
    As long as you let go of it and let it float off immediately when you shoot, then yes.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Newtons 3rd law guys. Come on. "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." There is nothing that doesn't obey that law.
    Glenn Beck.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    But it's an open ended tube! The force is from the rocket on the projectile throwing matter out in the opposite direction.

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Wiki wrote:
    The near complete lack of recoil

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Sigh. Yes they do.

    What is the projectile pushing against?

    Unless the bullets are tiny self-contained rockets.

    Don't take my negativity as meaning tiny self contained rockets are anything other than awesome.

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    BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Or just use recoilless rifles
    There's still some recoil though.
    Aren't RPG's totally recoilless though? I mean it's basically just an open ended tube.
    As long as you let go of it and let it float off immediately when you shoot, then yes.
    this

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Bama wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Or just use recoilless rifles

    morbo1.jpg

    PHYSICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

    Sigh. Yes they do.
    Recoilless rifles have recoil. If I fire a bullet from a rifle, the force the bullet is exerting to leave the rifle will be exerted back on the rifle. Newtons 3rd law, man.

    Is wiking recoilless rifle that much work?

    Basically they fire mass backwards as well as forward

    which negates the recoil

    Newtons 3rd law.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Bama wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Or just use recoilless rifles
    There's still some recoil though.
    Aren't RPG's totally recoilless though? I mean it's basically just an open ended tube.
    As long as you let go of it and let it float off immediately when you shoot, then yes.
    this

    So basically just the friction on the inner lining of the tube then?

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