Pretty as this game is it's nowhere near as complex (visually) as GTA4. You don't have hundreds of pedestrians milling around, cars flipping over or huge high-rise buildings. I can't imagine the engine struggling to cope even if it hasn't had a bit of an overhaul.
I don't know if you've seen some of RDR2's images, but dense foliage and absolutely massive draw distances are a huge burden on performance. Also, buildings are considerably easier to draw due to their knack of having a total of about 5 flat sides, especially when dynamically scaled down through LOD scaling. RDR2 has a more organic feel. There aren't very many straight lines, and thus, are a bit more costly to visualize. Making something look natural is much more complex to do convincingly.
I'm gonna rain on grinch's parade a little more.. I remember reading an article a couple weeks ago (can't remember which one though or I'd link it) where some guy talked to a dev about the overall feel of the environment and the dev basically said something along the lines of
"we didn't use ANY straight lines while making the game"
So even if something looks straight in the game, code wise it's not.
You cannot. Stop thinking that, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. One end of the lasso will be connected to John Marston at all times.
You cannot. Stop thinking that, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. One end of the lasso will be connected to John Marston at all times.
while not being able to do the Thunderdome tribute I also remember seeing in a vid of Marston dragging a guy on rope behind the horse. But you are correct in assumption I think. Is the lasso permanently tied to Marston or not?
What if you start the drag behind the horse and bail? Can't wait to hear some of the nitty gritty details on gameplay.
Then you'll still be holding the lasso when you bail from the horse. John Marston is always holding that rope. Otherwise you'd have to go buy a new rope.
So they've got a $10 coupon, a game soundtrack, and "exclusive challenges", along with the Deadly Assassin costume, as an online preorder bonus now. Of course, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply retroactively to preorders already made in-store. Now I have to cancel and re-preorder online for the extra goodies.
Nope, it'd just be annoying as hell to lose your rope in the middle of the wilderness and have to go back into town to get a new one every time. Considering that Rockstar's added in fast travel and regenerating health, their design philosophy seems to be keeping you in the action as much as possible instead of forcing you to find a gun shop after every mission so you can buy a new flak jacket.
Then you'll still be holding the lasso when you bail from the horse. John Marston is always holding that rope. Otherwise you'd have to go buy a new rope.
Will you still be holding the rope when that bandit goes over a cliff?
Then you'll still be holding the lasso when you bail from the horse. John Marston is always holding that rope. Otherwise you'd have to go buy a new rope.
Will you still be holding the rope when that bandit goes over a cliff?
This is an entirely legitimate question, and one I hope to find the answer to immediately.
So they've got a $10 coupon, a game soundtrack, and "exclusive challenges", along with the Deadly Assassin costume, as an online preorder bonus now. Of course, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply retroactively to preorders already made in-store. Now I have to cancel and re-preorder online for the extra goodies.
I have a sort-of related question.
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I didn't find it with a quick search: is the shirt that was given away at PAX East the same as the pre-order bonus? As much as I'm looking forward to this game I don't need two of the same shirt.
So they've got a $10 coupon, a game soundtrack, and "exclusive challenges", along with the Deadly Assassin costume, as an online preorder bonus now. Of course, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply retroactively to preorders already made in-store. Now I have to cancel and re-preorder online for the extra goodies.
You got me all excited. Then I saw that the Canadian site didn't have said pre-order bonuses.
So they've got a $10 coupon, a game soundtrack, and "exclusive challenges", along with the Deadly Assassin costume, as an online preorder bonus now. Of course, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply retroactively to preorders already made in-store. Now I have to cancel and re-preorder online for the extra goodies.
You got me all excited. Then I saw that the Canadian site didn't have said pre-order bonuses.
I saw a poster in Gamestop the other day for the RDR pre-order, and it listed some bonuses. I never read it, but I should call and find out what benefits my pre-order holds.
Nope, it'd just be annoying as hell to lose your rope in the middle of the wilderness and have to go back into town to get a new one every time. Considering that Rockstar's added in fast travel and regenerating health, their design philosophy seems to be keeping you in the action as much as possible instead of forcing you to find a gun shop after every mission so you can buy a new flak jacket.
I'd dare say that how about we sacrifice realism and just give us infinite rope.
has the game gone gold yet? We still have time to steal the Just Cause tethering and sneak it in the game here. They have a big enough dev team to crank that out in a week or two, right?
We want rope shenanigans! Throw lasso over tree branch and over a bandits head, hop on horse, walk three feet and wait. Then take carcass and drag it around to play some bear fishing.
Speak for yourself, man. I could give a damn if there's a rope in the game. It's cool that it's in there, but I'm not gonna see an open world game in a western setting and then get disappointed because Marston doesn't have a Bag of Infinite Rope. I don't watch The Wild Bunch or Once Upon a Time in the West and go "Man, I wish Bronson would throw a rope around somebody and tie 'em to a tree".
There is a shot in Life in the West Pt 2 where Marston rescues someone else from being dragged behind a horse by someone else.
any details on how he rescues?
Do you have to shoot the rope and break it? Or does it seem to be automatic when within a certain range? Or does he just outright kill the other guy and stop him, then walk up and grab the victim?
There is a shot in Life in the West Pt 2 where Marston rescues someone else from being dragged behind a horse by someone else.
any details on how he rescues?
Do you have to shoot the rope and break it? Or does it seem to be automatic when within a certain range? Or does he just outright kill the other guy and stop him, then walk up and grab the victim?
Pretty sure he shoots the perp off his horse. The rope drops, and the victim gets up by himself. All in-game.
Yeah, like any good problem, it's solved by shooting the dude involved in the head.
If we're talking about awesome moments, one of the gameplay videos shows Marston shooting a dude off a horse, and if you watch carefully, you can see that the guy's foot gets caught in the stirrup. The scene cuts off there, but I'm fairly certain that means there's gonna be plenty of horses dragging around dead bodies.
IGN goes indepth on the first six hours of the game. Spoiler City, man.
SPOILER: Game looks fucking awesome. Herding cattle during a thunderstorm. Seeing a Model T all of ten seconds into the game. The awesome quest for helping out that traveling salesman. swooooooon.
EDIT: And the fact that the first segment of the game is
You assembling a small army to help you assault Bill Williamson's fort, with a small cast of characters playing roles, Magnificent Seven style.
IGN goes indepth on the first six hours of the game. Spoiler City, man.
SPOILER: Game looks fucking awesome. Herding cattle during a thunderstorm. Seeing a Model T all of ten seconds into the game. The awesome quest for helping out that traveling salesman. swooooooon.
More like FAILGN, right guys? But seriously, I stopped reading because I was looking for gameplay description and all that article does is spoil the story.
Slightly off-topic question, but I could use some help deciding on a purchase. Red Dead Redemption comes out on the 18th, and I'm considering buying a subwoofer (I currently have none) and a receiver (mine is well over ten years old) before the game's release. Do those two new things help the experience of games and movies that much? It could be cool to feel the BANG of revolvers in this game instead of just hearing them, after all. It's either that or a new computer, which I definitely could use but there's nothing out right now that I desperately need to play on one.
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A woofer will make explosions go boom instead of just bang.
I'd say they help out a ton, especially if you can crank it. A woofer lets you feel the sound, not just hear it.
Dynamite in Red Dead should feel a lot more...dynamite-y.
Awesome. I guess I'll get one then. The only concern I have now is finding the right receiver. I was looking at this new Sony one, the STR-DH510 5.1, but I'm unsure about wattage in regards to receivers. How much is enough? This is 100 per channel. I do have some pretty big and powerful speakers.
I should probably take this to the Technology Tavern at this point.
Any word on graphical differences between the two systems? Anything obvious anyway, like Ghostbusters or FFXIII?
And the pre-orders all come with soundtracks at the store.
We had a discussion on this a few pages back, but the honest truth is Rockstar hasn't said anything about differences, nor have they shown off Playstation 3 footage yet. We've kind of been guessing how it might run and look by looking at how well GTA IV (same engine) ran and looked on both platforms. Visually, the two were on par, save for the PS3 version running at 640p instead of 720p. It had a slightly blurrier image to it as a result. Another person said the PS3 version had some performance issues, as well. Hopefully those will be ironed out for Red Dead Redemption.
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Yeah, I just made a post there, but thanks for pushing me toward my new purchases anyway. :P
I was pretty skeptical before because I've never been much of an audiophile, but everyone is telling me I should go get myself a subwoofer and new receiver.
Back to RDR, I'm trying to get co-workers hyped on it. We'll see. At the very least, I know I can go online with you guys.
In any case, I've also been trying to get other people hyped up for it. I mean, it's a God damn cowboy game. How can you not be excited for cowboys and the wild west in a sandbox environment, particularly if you're a man? What boy didn't want to be a cowboy or play as a cowboy as a child? Someone actually told me he didn't like the setting.
Should I murder said person?
And Renzo, did you say you were also getting this for the PS3? I can't remember. The more people to play with on the PS3 the better!
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I don't know if you've seen some of RDR2's images, but dense foliage and absolutely massive draw distances are a huge burden on performance. Also, buildings are considerably easier to draw due to their knack of having a total of about 5 flat sides, especially when dynamically scaled down through LOD scaling. RDR2 has a more organic feel. There aren't very many straight lines, and thus, are a bit more costly to visualize. Making something look natural is much more complex to do convincingly.
I guess it's sort of this:
versus this:
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"we didn't use ANY straight lines while making the game"
So even if something looks straight in the game, code wise it's not.
I could have sworn I'd seen a screen shot or video where Marston had lasso'd an evil-doer and had the guy attached to his horse, dragging behind.
I just hope I can attach the guy to the horse and send my horse off into the desert. I kinda want it to be Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome style.
while not being able to do the Thunderdome tribute I also remember seeing in a vid of Marston dragging a guy on rope behind the horse. But you are correct in assumption I think. Is the lasso permanently tied to Marston or not?
What if you start the drag behind the horse and bail? Can't wait to hear some of the nitty gritty details on gameplay.
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So they've got a $10 coupon, a game soundtrack, and "exclusive challenges", along with the Deadly Assassin costume, as an online preorder bonus now. Of course, I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply retroactively to preorders already made in-store. Now I have to cancel and re-preorder online for the extra goodies.
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hence the phrase, "money for valuable and precious old rope"
Will you still be holding the rope when that bandit goes over a cliff?
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
This is an entirely legitimate question, and one I hope to find the answer to immediately.
"What happened to Shooter?"
"I had to let him go."
I have a sort-of related question.
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I didn't find it with a quick search: is the shirt that was given away at PAX East the same as the pre-order bonus? As much as I'm looking forward to this game I don't need two of the same shirt.
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fuck fuck
fucking consoles fuck
Oh god I am so jealous
It'll come to PCs eventually, look at "Console Exclusive" GTAIV.
The question is will the port suck or not?
You got me all excited. Then I saw that the Canadian site didn't have said pre-order bonuses.
Story of my life. I guess this means I can't just hogtie somebody and leave him out in the desert, which is a disappointment.
However, if I can bring a hogtied evil-doer TO the bears....perhaps I can gain some satisfaction.
I saw a poster in Gamestop the other day for the RDR pre-order, and it listed some bonuses. I never read it, but I should call and find out what benefits my pre-order holds.
I'd dare say that how about we sacrifice realism and just give us infinite rope.
has the game gone gold yet? We still have time to steal the Just Cause tethering and sneak it in the game here. They have a big enough dev team to crank that out in a week or two, right?
We want rope shenanigans! Throw lasso over tree branch and over a bandits head, hop on horse, walk three feet and wait. Then take carcass and drag it around to play some bear fishing.
Steam
XBOX
"Every game should have every feature ever".
any details on how he rescues?
Do you have to shoot the rope and break it? Or does it seem to be automatic when within a certain range? Or does he just outright kill the other guy and stop him, then walk up and grab the victim?
Steam
XBOX
Pretty sure he shoots the perp off his horse. The rope drops, and the victim gets up by himself. All in-game.
If we're talking about awesome moments, one of the gameplay videos shows Marston shooting a dude off a horse, and if you watch carefully, you can see that the guy's foot gets caught in the stirrup. The scene cuts off there, but I'm fairly certain that means there's gonna be plenty of horses dragging around dead bodies.
IGN goes indepth on the first six hours of the game. Spoiler City, man.
SPOILER: Game looks fucking awesome. Herding cattle during a thunderstorm. Seeing a Model T all of ten seconds into the game. The awesome quest for helping out that traveling salesman. swooooooon.
EDIT: And the fact that the first segment of the game is
More like FAILGN, right guys? But seriously, I stopped reading because I was looking for gameplay description and all that article does is spoil the story.
"Oh, nothing much, just lassoing this punk Indiana Jones style"
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14320288/red-dead-redemption/images/red-dead-redemption-20100428032900354.html
"Cool. Now what're you doing?"
"Oh, you know, just running on the back of a speeding train."
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14320288/red-dead-redemption/images/red-dead-redemption-20100428032927440.html
"Oh, that's neat."
I'd say they help out a ton, especially if you can crank it. A woofer lets you feel the sound, not just hear it.
Dynamite in Red Dead should feel a lot more...dynamite-y.
And the pre-orders all come with soundtracks at the store.
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Awesome. I guess I'll get one then. The only concern I have now is finding the right receiver. I was looking at this new Sony one, the STR-DH510 5.1, but I'm unsure about wattage in regards to receivers. How much is enough? This is 100 per channel. I do have some pretty big and powerful speakers.
I should probably take this to the Technology Tavern at this point.
We had a discussion on this a few pages back, but the honest truth is Rockstar hasn't said anything about differences, nor have they shown off Playstation 3 footage yet. We've kind of been guessing how it might run and look by looking at how well GTA IV (same engine) ran and looked on both platforms. Visually, the two were on par, save for the PS3 version running at 640p instead of 720p. It had a slightly blurrier image to it as a result. Another person said the PS3 version had some performance issues, as well. Hopefully those will be ironed out for Red Dead Redemption.
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Yeah, if you don't already have a sub, the difference is huge. I couldn't imagine playing without one.
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
And my purchase is even more solidified! I'm pretty excited now. Red Dead Redemption should sound pretty sweet with a subwoofer.
I'm currently looking at this subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-YST-SW315-10-Inch-Digital-Subwoofer/dp/B00009W8XH/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
And this receiver: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-STR-DH810-7-1-channel-Receiver-Component/dp/B0038W0J0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272487750&sr=1-1
People in the technology tavern would know better than I, and it would be a lot more on-topic!
Back to RDR, I'm trying to get co-workers hyped on it. We'll see. At the very least, I know I can go online with you guys.
I was pretty skeptical before because I've never been much of an audiophile, but everyone is telling me I should go get myself a subwoofer and new receiver.
In any case, I've also been trying to get other people hyped up for it. I mean, it's a God damn cowboy game. How can you not be excited for cowboys and the wild west in a sandbox environment, particularly if you're a man? What boy didn't want to be a cowboy or play as a cowboy as a child? Someone actually told me he didn't like the setting.
Should I murder said person?
And Renzo, did you say you were also getting this for the PS3? I can't remember. The more people to play with on the PS3 the better!
We're both college-age young'uns, neither of us have much affection for cowboys, I suspect, because of it. :?