TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited February 2010
That's just stupid. It's not like there are 5 Aqualads to pick from like Green Lanterns. If you want a diverse cast you put Static and Blue Beetle on the team or one of Black Lightning's kids or even Connor Hawke, problem solved.
He also looks a lot like Spike from X-Men Evolution. Apparently in cartoon world black teenagers have blond hair.
I don't mind changing his race. I just hate the simple orange top, fin pants, belt buckle, and bare feet, though I can at least appreciate why he has bare feet.
The Titans cartoon did a good job redesigning Aqualad.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited February 2010
If the Aqualad one is any indication, I bet they'll mash Impulse and Mas y Menos together to create something that ruins everything.
Superboy will be Wheeler
Arrowette will be Linka
Aqualad is Kwami
Martian Girl will be Gi
Impulse will be Ma-Ti
Aqualad should have been this Australian surfer dude who hangs out in Oceania because its like himself, mostly water but you go on land to have fun (I always thought Aquaman should be based in this area instead of in the middle of the Atlantic). That they have never done this angle with Aqualad and instead went with a shy magic user always puzzled me.
I don't mind changing his race. I just hate the simple orange top, fin pants, belt buckle, and bare feet, though I can at least appreciate why he has bare feet.
The Titans cartoon did a good job redesigning Aqualad.
It's very similar to the original Aqualad costume. Not that it isn't horrible, but I see what they're trying to do.
I don't mind changing his race. I just hate the simple orange top, fin pants, belt buckle, and bare feet, though I can at least appreciate why he has bare feet.
The Titans cartoon did a good job redesigning Aqualad.
It's very similar to the original Aqualad costume. Not that it isn't horrible, but I see what they're trying to do.
Doesn't look that similar to me:
The roster is kind of weird though, in general. Conner Kent and Bart Allen don't have the same relationship with Dick Grayson as they do with Tim, so that's going to seem really out of place.
And now we have an entirely new Aqualad with gills and webbed hands.
That's just stupid. It's not like there are 5 Aqualads to pick from like Green Lanterns. If you want a diverse cast you put Static and Blue Beetle on the team or one of Black Lightning's kids or even Connor Hawke, problem solved.
There's no reason Aqualad can't be black.
You're acting like there's a problem when there isn't one.
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edited February 2010
Well okay, that at least recognized that pants are infinitely better than speedos, but besides that it's the same.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
That's just stupid. It's not like there are 5 Aqualads to pick from like Green Lanterns. If you want a diverse cast you put Static and Blue Beetle on the team or one of Black Lightning's kids or even Connor Hawke, problem solved.
There's no reason Aqualad can't be black.
You're acting like there's a problem when there isn't one.
Why turn an existing character into a minority instead of bringing an existing minority character onto the team? That's something I don't understand, that and wasting a slot on the team with Aqualad in general. (and unlike Krypton, I don't think I've seen a black Atlantean in the comics)
There's nothing that says fictional sea people need to be one skin color or another. If you made Batman black, you'd have to acknowledge the fact that the murder of a prominent black family in a city 30 years or so ago isn't exactly the same as the murder of a prominent white family, but with Aqualad skin color is really just a cosmetic issue. You can change his skin color without changing his character.
Hah, they could just retcon it, make all Atlanteans in the DCAU green because of some symbiotic-relationship with algae, and then everyone starts shitting themselves and 'hating the greens'.
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That's just stupid. It's not like there are 5 Aqualads to pick from like Green Lanterns. If you want a diverse cast you put Static and Blue Beetle on the team or one of Black Lightning's kids or even Connor Hawke, problem solved.
There's no reason Aqualad can't be black.
You're acting like there's a problem when there isn't one.
Why turn an existing character into a minority instead of bringing an existing minority character onto the team? That's something I don't understand, that and wasting a slot on the team with Aqualad in general. (and unlike Krypton, I don't think I've seen a black Atlantean in the comics)
Him being black or white has literally no affect on the character.
Plus they're avoiding rid of the stereotype that black characters have electric powers
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
There's nothing that says fictional sea people need to be one skin color or another. If you made Batman black, you'd have to acknowledge the fact that the murder of a prominent black family in a city 30 years or so ago isn't exactly the same as the murder of a prominent white family, but with Aqualad skin color is really just a cosmetic issue. You can change his skin color without changing his character.
If they made this a new character then I would have no problem with it, but if it's Garth then I really don't care for it.
This is where we probably disagree, but I don't think you make inroads in diversity by taking an existing character and changing his skin color just for diversity's sake, when you have an existing list of good minority characters (or those needing the spotlight to develop character-wise) that can be used in place of the character to begin with. It's not like DC is lacking in this area:
Blue Beetle :^:
Batgirl Cassandra :^:
Atom Ryan Choi
Mas y Menos
Black Lightning Daughter 1
Black Lightning Daughter 2
Connor Hawke
Natasha Irons
Empress
Iman (the mexican robot hero guy who showed up in Final Crisis)
Any of these characters would be better than Aqualad on the team.
There's nothing that says fictional sea people need to be one skin color or another. If you made Batman black, you'd have to acknowledge the fact that the murder of a prominent black family in a city 30 years or so ago isn't exactly the same as the murder of a prominent white family, but with Aqualad skin color is really just a cosmetic issue. You can change his skin color without changing his character.
If they made this a new character then I would have no problem with it, but if it's Garth then I really don't care for it.
This is where we probably disagree, but I don't think you make inroads in diversity by taking an existing character and changing his skin color just for diversity's sake, when you have an existing list of good minority characters (or those needing the spotlight to develop character-wise) that can be used in place of the character to begin with. It's not like DC is lacking in this area:
Blue Beetle :^:
Batgirl Cassandra :^:
Atom Ryan Choi
Mas y Menos
Black Lightning Daughter 1
Black Lightning Daughter 2
Connor Hawke
Natasha Irons
Empress
Iman (the mexican robot hero guy who showed up in Final Crisis)
Any of these characters would be better than Aqualad on the team.
Most of those characters aren't Young Justice/Teen Titans members, and none of them are recognizable as legacy characters (carriers of an older hero's legacy) in the same way Aqualad is. If that's the central theme of the team, then the only way to get minority representation without going against it is by changing a pre-existing character's race.
Blue Beetle :^:
Batgirl Cassandra :^:
Atom Ryan Choi
Mas y Menos
Black Lightning Daughter 1
Black Lightning Daughter 2
Connor Hawke
Natasha Irons
Empress
Iman (the mexican robot hero guy who showed up in Final Crisis)
Any of these characters would be better than Aqualad on the team.
Blue Beetle - on Batman: The Brave & The Bold
Batgirl - Nightwing's already on the team
Atom - On Brave and the Bold
Mas y Menos - were in like two panels ever in the comics and like four episodes of the Teen Titans cartoon (that they're obviously trying to distance themselves from)
Black Lightning's Kids - actually wouldn't be bad
Connor Hawke - Arrowette's on the team
Natasha Irons - Superboy's on the team
Empress - should be on the team
Iman - who?
It's pretty clear that it's Young Justice League and not Young Justice. The line-up is all sidekicks/related characters
Batman - Nightwing
Superman - Superboy
Martian Manhunter - Miss Martian
Flash - Impulse
Green Arrow - Arrowette
Aquaman - Aqualad
I don't know why they don't have Wonder Girl there, though
Yeah, I have pretty much no idea who any of those characters you listed are except for Blue Beetle, and as Keith says he's already on a cartoon show at the moment... but I know who Aquaman is so Aqualad wearing an orange top really isn't much of a stretch for me.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited February 2010
Iman originally showed up in a Superman Annual, he's a hero from Mexico:
He's actually a pretty good character, he's really enthusiastic about being a hero and doing good. He's basically a twenty something in a robot suit. He was in a few pages of Final Crisis and I remember people going who the hell is that?
Flash Fact: The Mexican Flag has the colors on the wrong way on that cover
Even if it is a legacy heroes theme, Natasha is the legacy to Steel, and while it is part of the Super family, so what? She's cool. The same with Cassandra. And if they make Aquaman in this series black, and he doesn't have blonde hair, then it is a disregard for the character because him being blonde is a big deal in Atlantean culture, or at least going by the JLA Obsidian Age arc it is.
edit: and Ryan Choi is in Brave and the Bold?
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
edited February 2010
Yes, Ryan Choi's on B&tB
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
Has Aquaman been depicted as anything but white skinned blond haired in anything ever? Wouldn't this just confuse people?
Aqualad's never been blond so Aquaman's hair color doesn't really matter
I mean, if you think about it, Aqualad was shunned by Atlanteans because of his black hair. Making his skin black and having him shunned makes it easier for kids to relate to!
(there is no way they'll do that on the show)
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited February 2010
So Atlanteans hate the blonde and black haired kin? No wonder they're in the ocean while we're on land, the losers.
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
edited February 2010
oh wait no he wasn't hated for his hair he was hated for his purple eyes
Iman showed up again in the most recent June issue of Superman, by Robinson. Mon-El travels around the world, and visits all of the forgotten international heroes of the DCU.
The only problem with Aqualad being black is that it highlights the lack of iconic black characters in DC.
Or rather, black teenage legacy heroes
I can only think of 3 off the top of my head, and they've all been mentioned. And they're all minor. And one of them is dumb enough to side with Lex Luthor over her uncle, who had a Robot Suit.
There's nothing that says fictional sea people need to be one skin color or another. If you made Batman black, you'd have to acknowledge the fact that the murder of a prominent black family in a city 30 years or so ago isn't exactly the same as the murder of a prominent white family, but with Aqualad skin color is really just a cosmetic issue. You can change his skin color without changing his character.
But how does this help? I mean, isn't that worse than using a character people might not be as well known? You're basically saying that DC's choice is "Well we need a black guy on the team, oh well let's just make Aqualad black I mean who cares as long as we have our ethnic spot covered.
At that point it just seems really condescending and, I don't know, pandering. Like, hey, we don't have any actual black characters for the team, so we'll just make a useless character black because whatever.
There's nothing that says fictional sea people need to be one skin color or another. If you made Batman black, you'd have to acknowledge the fact that the murder of a prominent black family in a city 30 years or so ago isn't exactly the same as the murder of a prominent white family, but with Aqualad skin color is really just a cosmetic issue. You can change his skin color without changing his character.
But how does this help? I mean, isn't that worse than using a character people might not be as well known? You're basically saying that DC's choice is "Well we need a black guy on the team, oh well let's just make Aqualad black I mean who cares as long as we have our ethnic spot covered.
At that point it just seems really condescending and, I don't know, pandering. Like, hey, we don't have any actual black characters for the team, so we'll just make a useless character black because whatever.
It's not pandering if they put more thought into the character than that. Jon Stewart in JL could have been pandering, but he ended up being one of the more nuanced characters in the series.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited February 2010
But he was John Stewart. If they had made Hal Jordan black for the cartoon that would have been a stupid move.
And I can't find the post but someone made a point about John in Justice League earlier in this thread about how they went a bit over the top in trying to say "hey look we have a black guy on the team!" as John was the leader of the Justice League and a focal point of most of the episodes (like how it was always the Red Power Ranger who would rally the others and save the day)
But then the red power ranger got the gold football pads and he had both the T-Rex and the Dragon robots! (and then this is where I quit watching)
Then the green ranger became the white ranger and he had a magical talking flute and a tiger robot. Then they turned into ninjas, and I too quit watching.
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He also looks a lot like Spike from X-Men Evolution. Apparently in cartoon world black teenagers have blond hair.
The Titans cartoon did a good job redesigning Aqualad.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Superboy will be Wheeler
Arrowette will be Linka
Aqualad is Kwami
Martian Girl will be Gi
Impulse will be Ma-Ti
Aqualad should have been this Australian surfer dude who hangs out in Oceania because its like himself, mostly water but you go on land to have fun (I always thought Aquaman should be based in this area instead of in the middle of the Atlantic). That they have never done this angle with Aqualad and instead went with a shy magic user always puzzled me.
It's very similar to the original Aqualad costume. Not that it isn't horrible, but I see what they're trying to do.
Doesn't look that similar to me:
The roster is kind of weird though, in general. Conner Kent and Bart Allen don't have the same relationship with Dick Grayson as they do with Tim, so that's going to seem really out of place.
And now we have an entirely new Aqualad with gills and webbed hands.
And Wonder Girl gets shut out again.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
There's no reason Aqualad can't be black.
You're acting like there's a problem when there isn't one.
Why turn an existing character into a minority instead of bringing an existing minority character onto the team? That's something I don't understand, that and wasting a slot on the team with Aqualad in general. (and unlike Krypton, I don't think I've seen a black Atlantean in the comics)
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Him being black or white has literally no affect on the character.
Plus they're avoiding rid of the stereotype that black characters have electric powers
If they made this a new character then I would have no problem with it, but if it's Garth then I really don't care for it.
This is where we probably disagree, but I don't think you make inroads in diversity by taking an existing character and changing his skin color just for diversity's sake, when you have an existing list of good minority characters (or those needing the spotlight to develop character-wise) that can be used in place of the character to begin with. It's not like DC is lacking in this area:
Blue Beetle :^:
Batgirl Cassandra :^:
Atom Ryan Choi
Mas y Menos
Black Lightning Daughter 1
Black Lightning Daughter 2
Connor Hawke
Natasha Irons
Empress
Iman (the mexican robot hero guy who showed up in Final Crisis)
Any of these characters would be better than Aqualad on the team.
Most of those characters aren't Young Justice/Teen Titans members, and none of them are recognizable as legacy characters (carriers of an older hero's legacy) in the same way Aqualad is. If that's the central theme of the team, then the only way to get minority representation without going against it is by changing a pre-existing character's race.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Blue Beetle - on Batman: The Brave & The Bold
Batgirl - Nightwing's already on the team
Atom - On Brave and the Bold
Mas y Menos - were in like two panels ever in the comics and like four episodes of the Teen Titans cartoon (that they're obviously trying to distance themselves from)
Black Lightning's Kids - actually wouldn't be bad
Connor Hawke - Arrowette's on the team
Natasha Irons - Superboy's on the team
Empress - should be on the team
Iman - who?
It's pretty clear that it's Young Justice League and not Young Justice. The line-up is all sidekicks/related characters
Batman - Nightwing
Superman - Superboy
Martian Manhunter - Miss Martian
Flash - Impulse
Green Arrow - Arrowette
Aquaman - Aqualad
I don't know why they don't have Wonder Girl there, though
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I guess I don't mind but...why? o_O
Has Aquaman been depicted as anything but white skinned blond haired in anything ever? Wouldn't this just confuse people?
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He's actually a pretty good character, he's really enthusiastic about being a hero and doing good. He's basically a twenty something in a robot suit. He was in a few pages of Final Crisis and I remember people going who the hell is that?
Flash Fact: The Mexican Flag has the colors on the wrong way on that cover
Even if it is a legacy heroes theme, Natasha is the legacy to Steel, and while it is part of the Super family, so what? She's cool. The same with Cassandra. And if they make Aquaman in this series black, and he doesn't have blonde hair, then it is a disregard for the character because him being blonde is a big deal in Atlantean culture, or at least going by the JLA Obsidian Age arc it is.
edit: and Ryan Choi is in Brave and the Bold?
Aqualad's never been blond so Aquaman's hair color doesn't really matter
I mean, if you think about it, Aqualad was shunned by Atlanteans because of his black hair. Making his skin black and having him shunned makes it easier for kids to relate to!
(there is no way they'll do that on the show)
Aquaman was hated for his blond hair
Or rather, black teenage legacy heroes
I can only think of 3 off the top of my head, and they've all been mentioned. And they're all minor. And one of them is dumb enough to side with Lex Luthor over her uncle, who had a Robot Suit.
But how does this help? I mean, isn't that worse than using a character people might not be as well known? You're basically saying that DC's choice is "Well we need a black guy on the team, oh well let's just make Aqualad black I mean who cares as long as we have our ethnic spot covered.
At that point it just seems really condescending and, I don't know, pandering. Like, hey, we don't have any actual black characters for the team, so we'll just make a useless character black because whatever.
It's not pandering if they put more thought into the character than that. Jon Stewart in JL could have been pandering, but he ended up being one of the more nuanced characters in the series.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
And I can't find the post but someone made a point about John in Justice League earlier in this thread about how they went a bit over the top in trying to say "hey look we have a black guy on the team!" as John was the leader of the Justice League and a focal point of most of the episodes (like how it was always the Red Power Ranger who would rally the others and save the day)
Till the Green Ranger showed up and beat some ass with his sweet shoulder pads.
Then the green ranger became the white ranger and he had a magical talking flute and a tiger robot. Then they turned into ninjas, and I too quit watching.