Hey, all my friends are black! I'm black! My wife is black! I voted for Obama! It's cool!
And John wasn't interesting in Justice League. You could tell Phil Lamar would have rather been on Mad TV instead of voicing a guy who's two ring constructs were "giant green cylinder" and "giant sphere"
The only good person on Justice League was Flash, and then he disappeared because his voice actor (Luthor on Smallville right?) quit.
like we just need to establish here that Phil Lamarr did like doing John. If he didn't like doing voice work for the DC people, why would he keep taking more of it? You know he voices Static too right? And that he did like an entire episode of Static voicing ENTIRE SCENES himself when GL guest-starred? John's constructs were a reflection of the personality they gave him on the show, that of a someone with a strong military background, who tends to use his ring in an efficient manner, rather than a showboat-y one. And his background was one of the most explored in the second season.
To think that Flash was the best person, jeesh, and this is coming from someone who loves the fuck out of Flash, I have his goddamn logo tattooed on me. But at the start of JL they didn't know how to use his personality or his powers. In the second season, he developed more, but honestly the focus of the show was elsewhere at the moment. He didn't start to shine until JLU and no Michael Rosenbaum never quit the show, they just used Flash in fewer and fewer episodes. It tended to serve the greater purpose of the threat to kill off the character and bring about the whole time loop, cadmus stuff that Question was ranting about I mean do you even pay attention to things you watch?
When he did come back during the second season of JLU, it was still Rosenbaum voicing him.
Phil Lamar was better on King of the Hill, because King of the Hill is great.
I never said I watched all the shows, I've only done that with BTAS and that is because I have the box sets that were released a few years ago (which are so good). What I will say is that if the show, after watching it enough times, still isn't able to hold my attention I'm not of the opinion to keep watching something I don't like.
I watched the first few episodes of Justice League, and what I highlighted in your response to Flash is what I felt the entire team had. I was expecting a Morrison JLA type book where you raise the level of the threat to be worthy of an entire team of A-listers, but it was as if they dumbed down the entire team to make the weaker threats seem more powerful (even the white martians they mimicked for the first episodes weren't that good).
The episodes also seemed to be this weird sense of slooooow pacing. In BTAS it works because they were trying to emulate a pulpy element in the cartoon, but in something like Justice League it would kind of feel like ages for them to just get on with something. And it was always like when someone in a kung fu movie fights a punch of people and instead of just ganging up on him they go one by one to fight, it felt like that with the fights, we had to see Superman go first, then Flash, then Wonder Woman, then GL, then Hawkgirl, it just didn't click with me.
This is why I liked Justice League Unlimited so much more, despite that GDB Ollie being the main character, because in the first episode boom! GL, Ollie, and Supergirl go fight some stuff in China. It was a faster pace, and they could get away with lesser threats because it was a pick and mix of characters per episode.
And The Batman was good because they did something different, and I like Jeff Matsudas artwork.
IMO X-Men Evolution is the best comic cartoon that has been made (this was before Kyle and Yost got on their kill teenagers kick), followed by BTAS.
Edit: That guitar solo on the Iron Man opening, that is so good. It's metal
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Has Superman been on B&TB yet, or are they scared that he will completely make Batman look like a fool and steal the show and then it will be called Superman & the World's Finest?
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And John wasn't interesting in Justice League. You could tell Phil Lamar would have rather been on Mad TV instead of voicing a guy who's two ring constructs were "giant green cylinder" and "giant sphere"
The only good person on Justice League was Flash, and then he disappeared because his voice actor (Luthor on Smallville right?) quit.
like we just need to establish here that Phil Lamarr did like doing John. If he didn't like doing voice work for the DC people, why would he keep taking more of it? You know he voices Static too right? And that he did like an entire episode of Static voicing ENTIRE SCENES himself when GL guest-starred? John's constructs were a reflection of the personality they gave him on the show, that of a someone with a strong military background, who tends to use his ring in an efficient manner, rather than a showboat-y one. And his background was one of the most explored in the second season.
To think that Flash was the best person, jeesh, and this is coming from someone who loves the fuck out of Flash, I have his goddamn logo tattooed on me. But at the start of JL they didn't know how to use his personality or his powers. In the second season, he developed more, but honestly the focus of the show was elsewhere at the moment. He didn't start to shine until JLU and no Michael Rosenbaum never quit the show, they just used Flash in fewer and fewer episodes. It tended to serve the greater purpose of the threat to kill off the character and bring about the whole time loop, cadmus stuff that Question was ranting about I mean do you even pay attention to things you watch?
When he did come back during the second season of JLU, it was still Rosenbaum voicing him.
Phil Lamar was better on King of the Hill, because King of the Hill is great.
I never said I watched all the shows, I've only done that with BTAS and that is because I have the box sets that were released a few years ago (which are so good). What I will say is that if the show, after watching it enough times, still isn't able to hold my attention I'm not of the opinion to keep watching something I don't like.
I watched the first few episodes of Justice League, and what I highlighted in your response to Flash is what I felt the entire team had. I was expecting a Morrison JLA type book where you raise the level of the threat to be worthy of an entire team of A-listers, but it was as if they dumbed down the entire team to make the weaker threats seem more powerful (even the white martians they mimicked for the first episodes weren't that good).
The episodes also seemed to be this weird sense of slooooow pacing. In BTAS it works because they were trying to emulate a pulpy element in the cartoon, but in something like Justice League it would kind of feel like ages for them to just get on with something. And it was always like when someone in a kung fu movie fights a punch of people and instead of just ganging up on him they go one by one to fight, it felt like that with the fights, we had to see Superman go first, then Flash, then Wonder Woman, then GL, then Hawkgirl, it just didn't click with me.
This is why I liked Justice League Unlimited so much more, despite that GDB Ollie being the main character, because in the first episode boom! GL, Ollie, and Supergirl go fight some stuff in China. It was a faster pace, and they could get away with lesser threats because it was a pick and mix of characters per episode.
And The Batman was good because they did something different, and I like Jeff Matsudas artwork.
IMO X-Men Evolution is the best comic cartoon that has been made (this was before Kyle and Yost got on their kill teenagers kick), followed by BTAS.
Edit: That guitar solo on the Iron Man opening, that is so good. It's metal
So all the great Justice League shit you apparently didn't watch then
that set up fucking tons of shit in JLU
were you just fucking lost? Or do you just actually not appreciate JLU as much you should because you don't get all the shit that set it up?
X-Men Evolution?
Really?
Guys if ever start reviewing episodes again, this guy is banned from the thread.
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X-Men Evolution is pretty boss. I'm only twenty so it was on when I used to watch saturday morning cartoons and was cool. I remember I thought Jean Grey was hot.
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So all the great Justice League shit you apparently didn't watch then
that set up fucking tons of shit in JLU
were you just fucking lost? Or do you just actually not appreciate JLU as much you should because you don't get all the shit that set it up?
X-Men Evolution?
Really?
Guys if ever start reviewing episodes again, this guy is banned from the thread.
Being lost has nothing to do with it. There's nothing to get lost with in the DCU cartoons. I just didn't care for it compared to Justice League Unlimited. Going by the wikipedia list, these are the episodes I remember seeing:
"Secret Origins"
"The Enemy Below"
"Injustice For All"
"Paradise Lost"
They just weren't that good. When it switched over to Justice League Unlimited it got better, but still wasn't as good as Superman or Batman TAS. The Booster Gold Episode, the Last episode of the series, The Man who has everything Alan Moore adaptation, the Paul Dini Zatanna episode with WW as a pig, the Warren Ellis Atom episode, the Suicide Squad one, those were good episodes.
And X-Men Evolution was a good show, it did exactly what the school was supposed to originally be, a place where mutants come to learn their powers and you had Storm, Beast and Wolverine as the head teachers, it's brilliant, cancelled way too soon.
They just weren't that good. When it switched over to Justice League Unlimited it got better, but still wasn't as good as Superman or Batman TAS. The Booster Gold Episode, the Last episode of the series, The Man who has everything Alan Moore adaptation, the Paul Dini Zatanna episode with WW as a pig, the Warren Ellis Atom episode, the Suicide Squad one, those were good episodes.
Lies and deception! That pig episode was just plain silly. Batman saves the day with song? Wonder Pig deflects a shot with her piggie sized bracelets??
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Because they loved each other and Joe Kelly will never get any credit for showing us the glory of the WW/Batman pair!
Lies and deception! That pig episode was just plain silly. Batman saves the day with song? Wonder Pig deflects a shot with her piggie sized bracelets??
See, I read this and think, "God, that episode was awesome," and cannot understand how anyone could feel differently.
So all the great Justice League shit you apparently didn't watch then
that set up fucking tons of shit in JLU
were you just fucking lost? Or do you just actually not appreciate JLU as much you should because you don't get all the shit that set it up?
X-Men Evolution?
Really?
Guys if ever start reviewing episodes again, this guy is banned from the thread.
Being lost has nothing to do with it. There's nothing to get lost with in the DCU cartoons. I just didn't care for it compared to Justice League Unlimited. Going by the wikipedia list, these are the episodes I remember seeing:
"Secret Origins"
"The Enemy Below"
"Injustice For All"
"Paradise Lost"
They just weren't that good. When it switched over to Justice League Unlimited it got better, but still wasn't as good as Superman or Batman TAS. The Booster Gold Episode, the Last episode of the series, The Man who has everything Alan Moore adaptation, the Paul Dini Zatanna episode with WW as a pig, the Warren Ellis Atom episode, the Suicide Squad one, those were good episodes.
And X-Men Evolution was a good show, it did exactly what the school was supposed to originally be, a place where mutants come to learn their powers and you had Storm, Beast and Wolverine as the head teachers, it's brilliant, cancelled way too soon.
My point is that you were criticizing a character for not having any depth, when apparently you just missed out on absolutely all of it.
Apparently you missed most of the good episodes of JLU too if those were the only ones you watched. Or even the ones you consider the best.
I mean you didn't watch ANY of season 2 of Justice League? None of it?
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Like really the best of JLU was the 4-part finale at the end of second season, but there's no way this guy would ever fully appreciate it, if you never saw the season 2 JL episode that set a lot of it up. Or if you just float through and not pay attention to any ANY of the changes the league goes through.
He thinks Flash is the best character, but christ, I bet he didn't even realize how Flash was used in the show during that part of the series. Fucking seriously man.
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This is why I liked Justice League Unlimited so much more, despite that GDB Ollie being the main character
Okay whoa hold on we need to back up real quick you thought Ollie was the main character in JLU? You thought there was a main character in JLU? Dude was barely in any of the season finales. Just because the show opens on him, don't mean he's the main character.
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Like I wrote earlier, I sat through a few of the first Justice League episodes, and didn't care for them because they weren't as good as the Batman and Superman ones. If I didn't like them, I quit watching (because why sit through them?). And then I saw they changed the show to Justice League Unlimited and liked what was being offered for most of the 20 or so episodes I saw. I don't consider them to be the same series really, merely the precursor to something much better, like how the Justice League was before Morrison's run in the comics. And The Greatest Story Never Told isn't the best JLU episode? What?
And I liked Flash because he was Wally and offered some attitude (also I liked that Superman/Flash race episode from the Superman series), and because they really neutered Superman in the show, even compared to his own animated series. I get you have to have Superman wear a space suit and have different Super stuff (for toy reasons mainly) and not be as great as he is in comics, but he's the leader. He's the best. God Bless Superman.
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This is why I liked Justice League Unlimited so much more, despite that GDB Ollie being the main character
Okay whoa hold on we need to back up real quick you thought Ollie was the main character in JLU? You thought there was a main character in JLU? Dude was barely in any of the season finales. Just because the show opens on him, don't mean he's the main character.
I got that the JLU was a pick and mix of characters, but Ollie was the one, as Batman put it in the first episode, the normal guy who can keep the metas in check or something. He was the one who would allow questions like "Who is Captain Atom?" to be answered for the audience who is seeing character X for the first time.
See the fact that you think Greatest Story Never Told is better than the 4 part Cadmus thing is proof that you have terrible taste and/or a terrible understanding of that show.
I declare myself the winner of this argument.
Res ipsa loquitur, et quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Res ipsa loquitur, et quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
That's Profound (ha! get it?)
I'm more than willing to give some of the other JLU episodes a try when the set goes on sale or something lower than what Amazon is selling them for (or if it ever shows up on Hulu), but not really the first Justice League stuff.
Considering that the second season of JL was fucking incredible, I guess you're really only cheating yourself buddy.
and looking dumb in front of the class.
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edited February 2010
On Human Target tonight (which takes place in a monastery) a character referenced Crisis on infinite Earths, and how Barry saving the world from the Anti-Monitor made him kind of like Jesus.
Saint Barry indeed, m i rite? Also, combo points for bringing a comic into a TV show that originated from a comic.
Wolverine and the X-Men is stupid, mainly because the character designers don't know how human beings are proportioned.
Iron Man Armored Adventures is okay, I like the fact that his rouges gallery was all upgraded with their own armor. I don't like how he's a kid and how the show is CG.
X-Men Evolution is pretty damn good.
JL/JLU and all the other DCAU cartoons are top notch.
But he was John Stewart. If they had made Hal Jordan black for the cartoon that would have been a stupid move.
Because they don't have an alternative like JL did with John Stewart, so they decided to make one. Thus, again, highlighting the lack of iconic black legacy characters. They can't put Jakeem Thunder up there with Nightwing and Superboy and pretend it's still mini-Justice League.
Maybe it's a little off-putting to force a black character in there for the sake of diversity, but it's better than nothing, and certainly isn't a significant negative.
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Jakeem would have been an excellent choice for the team (where is he these days in the actual comic?). And he is a legacy, just not a Justice League legacy.
If you still have 5 team members being actual JL legacy members, having one be a JSA legacy wouldn't hurt the general theme.
I like him too, but when you're making a young justice league show, and draw parallels to Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and all the big names and then ... Johnny Thunder? That's not the premise they're going for.
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Phil Lamar was better on King of the Hill, because King of the Hill is great.
I never said I watched all the shows, I've only done that with BTAS and that is because I have the box sets that were released a few years ago (which are so good). What I will say is that if the show, after watching it enough times, still isn't able to hold my attention I'm not of the opinion to keep watching something I don't like.
I watched the first few episodes of Justice League, and what I highlighted in your response to Flash is what I felt the entire team had. I was expecting a Morrison JLA type book where you raise the level of the threat to be worthy of an entire team of A-listers, but it was as if they dumbed down the entire team to make the weaker threats seem more powerful (even the white martians they mimicked for the first episodes weren't that good).
The episodes also seemed to be this weird sense of slooooow pacing. In BTAS it works because they were trying to emulate a pulpy element in the cartoon, but in something like Justice League it would kind of feel like ages for them to just get on with something. And it was always like when someone in a kung fu movie fights a punch of people and instead of just ganging up on him they go one by one to fight, it felt like that with the fights, we had to see Superman go first, then Flash, then Wonder Woman, then GL, then Hawkgirl, it just didn't click with me.
This is why I liked Justice League Unlimited so much more, despite that GDB Ollie being the main character, because in the first episode boom! GL, Ollie, and Supergirl go fight some stuff in China. It was a faster pace, and they could get away with lesser threats because it was a pick and mix of characters per episode.
And The Batman was good because they did something different, and I like Jeff Matsudas artwork.
IMO X-Men Evolution is the best comic cartoon that has been made (this was before Kyle and Yost got on their kill teenagers kick), followed by BTAS.
Edit: That guitar solo on the Iron Man opening, that is so good. It's metal
Nuh-uh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19DxJDp9Oro
you're a silly goose
I am mini marvels Hawkeye.
Whatever you say is only because you're scared of someone with no powers and only arrows beating you up because you have really good armor.
you better recognize
EXTREME
So all the great Justice League shit you apparently didn't watch then
that set up fucking tons of shit in JLU
were you just fucking lost? Or do you just actually not appreciate JLU as much you should because you don't get all the shit that set it up?
X-Men Evolution?
Really?
Guys if ever start reviewing episodes again, this guy is banned from the thread.
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Being lost has nothing to do with it. There's nothing to get lost with in the DCU cartoons. I just didn't care for it compared to Justice League Unlimited. Going by the wikipedia list, these are the episodes I remember seeing:
"Secret Origins"
"The Enemy Below"
"Injustice For All"
"Paradise Lost"
They just weren't that good. When it switched over to Justice League Unlimited it got better, but still wasn't as good as Superman or Batman TAS. The Booster Gold Episode, the Last episode of the series, The Man who has everything Alan Moore adaptation, the Paul Dini Zatanna episode with WW as a pig, the Warren Ellis Atom episode, the Suicide Squad one, those were good episodes.
And X-Men Evolution was a good show, it did exactly what the school was supposed to originally be, a place where mutants come to learn their powers and you had Storm, Beast and Wolverine as the head teachers, it's brilliant, cancelled way too soon.
Lies and deception! That pig episode was just plain silly. Batman saves the day with song? Wonder Pig deflects a shot with her piggie sized bracelets??
See, I read this and think, "God, that episode was awesome," and cannot understand how anyone could feel differently.
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My point is that you were criticizing a character for not having any depth, when apparently you just missed out on absolutely all of it.
Apparently you missed most of the good episodes of JLU too if those were the only ones you watched. Or even the ones you consider the best.
I mean you didn't watch ANY of season 2 of Justice League? None of it?
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He thinks Flash is the best character, but christ, I bet he didn't even realize how Flash was used in the show during that part of the series. Fucking seriously man.
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Okay whoa hold on we need to back up real quick you thought Ollie was the main character in JLU? You thought there was a main character in JLU? Dude was barely in any of the season finales. Just because the show opens on him, don't mean he's the main character.
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And I liked Flash because he was Wally and offered some attitude (also I liked that Superman/Flash race episode from the Superman series), and because they really neutered Superman in the show, even compared to his own animated series. I get you have to have Superman wear a space suit and have different Super stuff (for toy reasons mainly) and not be as great as he is in comics, but he's the leader. He's the best. God Bless Superman.
I got that the JLU was a pick and mix of characters, but Ollie was the one, as Batman put it in the first episode, the normal guy who can keep the metas in check or something. He was the one who would allow questions like "Who is Captain Atom?" to be answered for the audience who is seeing character X for the first time.
I declare myself the winner of this argument.
Res ipsa loquitur, et quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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(Looking at the episode list right now, it doesn't even crack top ten of the first two seasons of JLU)
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That's Profound (ha! get it?)
I'm more than willing to give some of the other JLU episodes a try when the set goes on sale or something lower than what Amazon is selling them for (or if it ever shows up on Hulu), but not really the first Justice League stuff.
and looking dumb in front of the class.
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Or Iron Man: Armored Adventures. Also a better show.
Considering that the first season of IM:AA was fucking incredible, I guess you're really only cheating yourself buddy.
and looking dumb in front of the class.
?
Saint Barry indeed, m i rite? Also, combo points for bringing a comic into a TV show that originated from a comic.
Iron Man Armored Adventures is okay, I like the fact that his rouges gallery was all upgraded with their own armor. I don't like how he's a kid and how the show is CG.
X-Men Evolution is pretty damn good.
JL/JLU and all the other DCAU cartoons are top notch.
There, I said it, problem solved.
Because they don't have an alternative like JL did with John Stewart, so they decided to make one. Thus, again, highlighting the lack of iconic black legacy characters. They can't put Jakeem Thunder up there with Nightwing and Superboy and pretend it's still mini-Justice League.
Maybe it's a little off-putting to force a black character in there for the sake of diversity, but it's better than nothing, and certainly isn't a significant negative.
If you still have 5 team members being actual JL legacy members, having one be a JSA legacy wouldn't hurt the general theme.
seriously?
An excellent choice?
Seriously?
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good lord.
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